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China is alone at sea. That means the U.S. has the advantage.

Beijing has not sent a defense minister to this elite gathering of 40 nations since 2011.

US has to send their top military officer while China only sent low rank officier into this insignificant forum so they turn around and claim that China is alone at sea, basically we're telling American people that their top rank military official such as Mattis is only equal to our Lt. Gen. He Lei as importance :rofl:. Even Japanese defend minister has to come closer for a Photo op with our low rank official with smiling. We don't need to send a big gun nor have a lousy mouth as Mattis in Sangrila to earn respect.


 
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an intersting perspective ....china needs friends if it wants to be a global player..

i think the key countries it need to focus is the future potential powers like nigeria, Pakistan, bangaldesh Indonesia (though inherently that will not be possible due to south china sea) and latin america
Yes China would indeed need more allies or it would be bogged down by the combined forces/pressure of the west(US/Australia/etc), India, Japan, and other nations who have differences with China in SCS.

It's a different story with Japan and South Korea bcuz they are more or less under US influence...but I think China can work it out with Indonesia/Malaysia with a little give and take. Japan also has this contentious history with China from WW2, which China hasn't forgotten. Vietnam/Phillpines are also harder to win over. I think China would have the foresight to win over at least Indonesia/Malaysia to its side.
 
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Yes China would indeed need more allies or it would be bogged down by the combined forces/pressure of the west(US/Australia/etc), India, Japan, and other nations who have differences with China in SCS.

It's a different story with Japan and South Korea bcuz they are more or less under US influence...but I think China can work it out with Indonesia/Malaysia with a little give and take. Japan also has this contentious history with China from WW2, which China hasn't forgotten. Vietnam/Phillpines are also harder to win over. I think China would have the foresight to win over Indonesia/Malaysia to its side.
regardless, it need STRONG allies
it need to re enforce its relations with russia, europe and create strong and large nations that can come to its support unconditionally

now we are not talking about war, china is more than capable of defending itself, all of this discussion is in the context of "soft power"
 
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regardless, it need STRONG allies
it need to re enforce its relations with russia, europe and create strong and large nations that can come to its support unconditionally

now we are not talking about war, china is more than capable of defending itself, all of this discussion is in the context of "soft power"
Yeah I'm not talking about war either...just that the more enemies u have the more ur power is in "check" even during peace times.

China could use some "strong" allies but at the moment all the strong nations are mostly in US camp and rightly so bcuz US has been a super power for a long time and the sole super power for a couple of decades. This includes almost all of Western European nations, Australia, Japan and even India is now going into the US camp...and these countries are highly unlikely to leave the US camp to switch to China. This leaves very few "strong" countries for China to win over.

So even thinning out non strong enemies in SCS would really help China in reducing any possible threat/deadlock in SCS.
 
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Yeah I'm not talking about war either...just that the more enemies u have the more ur power is in "check" even during peace times.

China could use some "strong" allies but at the moment all the strong nations are mostly in US camp and rightly so bcuz US has been a super power for a long time and the sole super power for a couple of decades. This includes almost all of Western European nations, Australia, Japan and even India is now going into the US camp...and these countries are highly unlikely to leave the US camp to switch to China. This leaves very few "strong" countries for China to win over.

So even thinning out non strong enemies in SCS would really help China in reducing any possible threat/deadlock in SCS.
china has to work, japan, korea, europe are strong because of us patronage and marshal plan

korea was poorer than pakistan in 1970s
 
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Think about military logistics and space assets for war at Scs. You can see clearly that the only contender is US and China. If one of this 2 beaten, the rest will go home. Therefore, it's only 1 vs 1.
 
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china has to work, japan, korea, europe are strong because of us patronage and marshal plan

korea was poorer than pakistan in 1970s
Yes SK was indeed poor...at that time Pak was doing comparatively well.

US patronage did help propel Japan/SK/Western European economies and that's one of the reasons why they are more or less strictly in US camp. China has NK to balance SK and to a much lesser degree Japan. For India, China has Pak on its side...and on the SCS side those nations are not strong enough to take on China...

But the long game that's being played is that together these small SCS nations combined with bigger players like US/Australia/India are increasing their efforts to check China. These nations were fragmented before and therefore not really a major threat but spearheaded by US, they are increasing their interoperability/cooperation. Though this process is going slow and the nations in this group have varying different ambitions/goals/political environments but I think within a few decades(as China rises further) they would synchronize enough to pose a credible threat.

Currently China should further try to win over Russia to its side even more. As far as the SCS potential threat is concerned even Vietnam and Phillipines could be worked with but it would require more of an effort. With these two nations along with winning over Indonesia/Malaysia, China can tame this SCS beast before it grows up to pose a threat. It would also be better for the region if things are worked out peacefully between these countries rather than it being a flashpoint that drags many nations into a war...and like u said, the more allies the more soft power.

Think about military logistics and space assets for war at Scs. You can see clearly that the only contender is US and China. If one of this 2 beaten, the rest will go home. Therefore, it's only 1 vs 1.
It maybe 1v1 now but as it stands right now...I don't think there would be a war in SCS. At this moment China is content with its progress. China knows it's limits and is trying to build its power in terms of influence, economy and military. China would not take a step that would hamper this. On the other hand Japan, SK, Vietnam, Phillipines and other smaller players are not strong enough to take on China...US is not interested in taking on China alone bcuz it would be quite destructive to US economy and it may just end up as a Pyrrhic victory in the best case scenario.

So even in the event of a skirmish, the warring parties would be on a table to work it out rather quickly than going all in. Hence the chances of a full blown SCS war are currently low IMO.

In the future though it will be a different story. In the next few decades China would be stronger...better equipped with better tech...more able to take on other countries. On the other hand there would be more synchronized/combined threat from Vietnam/Phillipines/SK/Indonesia/Japan/Australia/US/India. US has been trying to get these nations to work together as a group. With more interoperability, holding exercises together, and having a common interest(opposing that of China's) would make this group a major credible threat. This is where there will be more of a chance of an actual prolonged war. Both sides would feel more confident/emboldened in their ability to take on the other and using force to secure their interests if they must. IMO that's when a war is more likely to break out and drag many countries into it.
 
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US has to send their top military officer while China only sent low rank officier into this insignificant forum so they turn around and claim that China is alone at sea, basically we're telling American people that their top rank military official such as Mattis is only equal to our Lt. Gen. He Lei as importance :rofl:. Even Japanese defend minister has to come closer for a Photo op with our low rank official with smiling. We don't need to send a big gun nor have a lousy mouth as Mattis in Sangrila to earn respect.


Yeah, but ALL CN PLA generals is stupid-corrupted and Zero experience in long hard war.

There is just no different bween current top PLA generals and PLA privates. they r all stupid-corrupted and Zero experience:laugh:
 
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Yes SK was indeed poor...at that time Pak was doing comparatively well.

US patronage did help propel Japan/SK/Western European economies and that's one of the reasons why they are more or less strictly in US camp. China has NK to balance SK and to a much lesser degree Japan. For India, China has Pak on its side...and on the SCS side those nations are not strong enough to take on China...

But the long game that's being played is that together these small SCS nations combined with bigger players like US/Australia/India are increasing their efforts to check China. These nations were fragmented before and therefore not really a major threat but spearheaded by US, they are increasing their interoperability/cooperation. Though this process is going slow and the nations in this group have varying different ambitions/goals/political environments but I think within a few decades(as China rises further) they would synchronize enough to pose a credible threat.

Currently China should further try to win over Russia to its side even more. As far as the SCS potential threat is concerned even Vietnam and Phillipines could be worked with but it would require more of an effort. With these two nations along with winning over Indonesia/Malaysia, China can tame this SCS beast before it grows up to pose a threat. It would also be better for the region if things are worked out peacefully between these countries rather than it being a flashpoint that drags many nations into a war...and like u said, the more allies the more soft power.


It maybe 1v1 now but as it stands right now...I don't think there would be a war in SCS. At this moment China is content with its progress. China knows it's limits and is trying to build its power in terms of influence, economy and military. China would not take a step that would hamper this. On the other hand Japan, SK, Vietnam, Phillipines and other smaller players are not strong enough to take on China...US is not interested in taking on China alone bcuz it would be quite destructive to US economy and it may just end up as a Pyrrhic victory in the best case scenario.

So even in the event of a skirmish, the warring parties would be on a table to work it out rather quickly than going all in. Hence the chances of a full blown SCS war are currently low IMO.

In the future though it will be a different story. In the next few decades China would be stronger...better equipped with better tech...more able to take on other countries. On the other hand there would be more synchronized/combined threat from Vietnam/Phillipines/SK/Indonesia/Japan/Australia/US/India. US has been trying to get these nations to work together as a group. With more interoperability, holding exercises together, and having a common interest(opposing that of China's) would make this group a major credible threat. This is where there will be more of a chance of an actual prolonged war. Both sides would feel more confident/emboldened in their ability to take on the other and using force to secure their interests if they must. IMO that's when a war is more likely to break out and drag many countries into it.
Thank for your good analysis.
 
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Think about military logistics and space assets for war at Scs. You can see clearly that the only contender is US and China. If one of this 2 beaten, the rest will go home. Therefore, it's only 1 vs 1.
On paper the Chinese have everything to win every war. But putting the small victory against India aside, when did China win a war? When? Oh you have to go back to the Han or Ming dynasty.

In reality, for Vietnam, beating the Chinese is a tough challenge but doable. We have done it numerous times.

The Chinese should rather concentrate on Taiwan.

After beating Taiwan, the Chinese can try on Vietnam.

After Vietnam, Xi Jinping can try to take on America before he retires. So when he celebrates his 100 year birthday.
 
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china has to work, japan, korea, europe are strong because of us patronage and marshal plan

korea was poorer than pakistan in 1970s
Forget it!

Making allies and friends is alien in China strategic thinking.

The Chinese only know stooges.
 
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On paper the Chinese have everything to win every war. But putting the small victory against India aside, when did China win a war? When? Oh you have to go back to the Han or Ming dynasty.

In reality, for Vietnam, beating the Chinese is a tough challenge but doable. We have done it numerous times.

The Chinese should rather concentrate on Taiwan.

After beating Taiwan, the Chinese can try on Vietnam.

After Vietnam, Xi Jinping can try to take on America before he retires. So when he celebrates his 100 year birthday.
Last time Vietnam won the war with equipment from China and Russia. With out these equipment, VN people are just indigenous tribes. The US lost to SAM. With out it, there would not have lost too many planes. Naval warfare is much different from land war. There's no villager to hide into. No dirt to dig. No tunnel to hide. No ancient trap could be set. Naval warfare is technology hungry, manufacturing hungry, logistic hungry. How can Vietnam win such a naval victory against country with space assets?. The glide bombs, missiles, drones, these things depends on space asset for precision. And you need tons and tons of them.
 
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