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China has world's second-largest arms industry, think tank estimates
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JANUARY 27, 2020 / 7:13 AM /

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Newly available data suggests that China is the world’s second-biggest arms producer, behind the United States and ahead of Russia, a leading conflict and armaments think-tank said on Monday.

A lack of transparency means the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute has excluded China from its annual global rankings of arms makers, but it said credible financial information had become available for four major companies.

The data, covering the period from 2015 to 2017, allowed it to compile what it called the most comprehensive picture of Chinese companies’ weapons production to date.

“With the increase of available data on these companies, it is now possible to develop reasonably reliable estimates of the scale of the Chinese arms industry,” the institute said.

The four companies had combined estimated arms sales of $54.1 billion for 2017, it said, which would put them among the top 20 arms producers in the world.

“Three of the companies would be ranked in the top 10.”

Total U.S. arms sales in 2017 were $226.6 billion, and in Russia, $37.7 billion, according to the think tank’s Top 100 list for that year.

Aircraft and avionics group Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) would rank as the sixth largest arms producer, with estimated 2017 sales of $20.1, while land systems-focused China North Industries Group Corporation (NORINCO) would place eighth with an estimated $17.2 billion in sales, the institute said.

The other two companies it looked at, China Electronics Technology Group Corporation (CETC) and China South Industries Group Corporation (CSGC), had estimated sales of $12.2 billion and $4.6 billion, respectively, a spokesperson for the institute said.

China’s foreign and defense ministries did not respond to faxed requests for comment during a public holiday. Calls to AVIC, NORINCO and CSGC went unanswered and China Electronics Technology Group (CETC) declined to comment.

The Sweden-based think tank has said global expenditure in 2018 hit $1.8 trillion, its highest level since the end of the Cold War, fuelled by increased spending in the United States and China.

U.S. arms sales that year were $246 billion, Russia’s were $36.2 billion and the United Kingdom had $35.1 billion in sales, it said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-industry-think-tank-estimates-idUSKBN1ZP0UE
 
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15-Destroyers-1-Aircraft-Carrier-Under-Construction-at-Chinas-Jiangnan-Shipyard-2.jpg


https://www.navalnews.com/naval-new...der-construction-at-chinas-jiangnan-shipyard/

This is only one of the main shipyard. We still have the Huangpu and Dalian shipyard... The total output is gigantic.
 
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https://www.navalnews.com/naval-new...der-construction-at-chinas-jiangnan-shipyard/

This is only one of the main shipyard. We still have the Huangpu and Dalian shipyard... The total output is gigantic.

China has 20 AESA destroyers commissioned RIGHT NOW.

Another 16 AESA destroyers launched RIGHT NOW.

USA has ZERO Arleigh Burke Flight III launched. Nothing commissioned.

If you want to be generous, you can say USA has 2 Zumwalt-class destroyers commissioned. But both those ships are missing the SPY-4 S-band Volume Search Radar. Useless, hobbled ships IMO.

:laugh:
 
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One batch of planes to be delivered in one factory:
17 Y-20s, and huge number of AEW&C, special mission planes and bombers:
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I believe it's the number 1 if the price of the product is adjusted, or if we don't see based on price.

USD 100 per bullet vs USD 25 per bullet is still the same bullet.
Following your logic nobody would buy BMW nor Mercedes cars.
 
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Following your logic nobody would buy BMW nor Mercedes cars.
The difference is not that much:
For example, the unit price for a Y20 transport plane is 160 million USD, while that for a C17 is 218 million usd in 2007 and considering the inflation, in 2020 money, the cost could be 20 percent more or ~260 million USD. There is a 100 million usd differnce in price. However, these prices are only for domestic customers. For foreign customers, the price could be doubled, as in the case of indian purchase of 10 C17s costs more than 4 billion in 2010 money:
https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2...-capability-as-boeing-delivers-11th-c-17.html

What I mean is modern warfare costs money... huge huge money...
For your 5B defense budget, you are lucky to have 20% for the purchase of arms, the rest have to be spend on maintenance, training, and personnel payment and supply, etc... and say, your air force get 1/3 of that amount, which is around 300 million USD, your can hardly even afford one of any such planes...
 
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The difference is not that much:
For example, the unit price for a Y20 transport plane is 160 million USD, while that for a C17 is 218 million usd in 2007 and considering the inflation, in 2020 money, the cost could be 20 percent more or ~260 million USD. There is a 100 million usd differnce in price. However, these prices are only for domestic customers. For foreign customers, the price could be doubled, as in the case of indian purchase of 10 C17s costs more than 4 billion in 2010 money:
https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2...-capability-as-boeing-delivers-11th-c-17.html

What I mean is modern warfare costs money... huge huge money...
For your 5B defense budget, you are lucky to have 20% for the purchase of arms, the rest have to be spend on maintenance, training, and personnel payment and supply, etc... and say, your air force get 1/3 of that amount, which is around 300 million USD, your can hardly even afford one of any such planes...
If I have to choose between 1x made-in-VN rifle or 10x made-in-CN rifles, I will pick the first one.
 
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Following your logic nobody would buy BMW nor Mercedes cars.
You are comparing orange vs apple...
Car is about branding but for a war, brand or not is useless. If your weapon can help to kill more, it's a good weapon. Be it made in China or made in US.

If I have to choose between 1x made-in-VN rifle or 10x made-in-CN rifles, I will pick the first one.
Vietnam is not known to made any quality rifle. So your decision is purely based on nationalism.
 
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Time is just proving that out of the entire industrial revolution era, china has given the Mass Production a Whole New Level :china:
 
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One batch of planes to be delivered in one factory:
17 Y-20s, and huge number of AEW&C, special mission planes and bombers:
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00y2-jpg.597062
00y3-jpg.597063

China_-_Air_Force_-_Xian_Y-20.jpg

img-893f5037be401e36248551fbbcbe68b4-jpg.585647

006FCqYVgy1g9phhwi08sj312w0kp43b.jpg

80261d02ly1g9peevzvecg20dc07iqv5.gif

I am surprised with China’s manufacturing capabilities hat they have so few J20s on hand or being commissioned.
 
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It could very well be first biggest cuz outside world doesn't know shit about the under ground stuff. Sub terranian complexes.

If you are an enemy of china you have very good reason to be scared all the time. And have nightmares
 
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I am surprised with China’s manufacturing capabilities hat they have so few J20s on hand or being commissioned.
Few? Are u xi jiping? How do u know the actual number!
 
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