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China has its own horrors to atone for
Jeff Jacoby BOSTON GLOBE COLUMNIST AUGUST 02, 2015

China has its own horrors to atone for - Opinion - The Boston Globe

Japan’s less-than-wholehearted remorse for its World War II-era atrocities has long been an unhealed wound in its relations with neighbors. The bruise is throbbing anew with the approach of August 15, the 70th anniversary of the announcement of Japan’s surrender.

China’s ambassador to Tokyo revived the topic July 23, when he pointedly advised Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe — who plans to deliver a speech marking the anniversary — to convey genuine contrition for the suffering caused by Japan’s aggression. “We will be watching how Japan sums up its past and shows sincerity to the victimized countries,” said the ambassador. Abe and other Japanese leaders have acknowledged their country’s crimes during the war, but their apologies have tended to be grudging or awkward. Frequently they have been undermined by truculent rationalizations, or by suggestions that Japan’s ugliest wartime offenses might still be open to debate.

The cruelties Japan inflicted on China, Korea, and other Asian nations in the 1930s and 1940s — mass murder, slave labor, biological and chemical warfare, human experimentation, and the forced sexual enslavement ofhundreds of thousands of girls and women — truly were horrific. Beijing’s demand for a more convincing display of penitence from Japan for what it did to so many helpless Chinese victims is not hard to understand.

But when will we hear a heartfelt apology or see meaningful atonement for the equally ghastly horrors inflicted on countless Chinese victims by their own government?

No force in history has shed more innocent Chinese blood than the Communist regime that has ruled since 1949, when Mao Zedong seized power and officially proclaimed the People’s Republic of China. The Japanese occupation had been ruthless, as had the massive civil war between Chiang Kai-shek’s Nationalists and the forces commanded by Mao. But with the reign of the Communist Party came violence and terror on a scale China had never before known.

In the first decades of Mao’s rule, wrote Jean-Louis Margolin in the acclaimed "Black Book of Communism,” a survey of the world’s Communist regimes, “there were between 6 million and 10 million deaths” that were directly caused by government action. But that’s only where the tally begins. To those victims add the “tens of millions of ‘counterrevolutionaries’ ” swept into Mao’s prisons and labor camps, “with perhaps 20 million dying there.” Add as well the appalling death toll during the Great Leap Forward, Mao’s calamitous campaign of forced collectivization and abolition of private agriculture, which caused a famine of more than biblical proportions, starving more than 40 million Chinese in less than three years.

There is also the genocide in Tibet, where between 10 and 20 percent of the population was wiped out by the Communist invasion. Millions more were massacred in successive ideological purges and terror campaigns and the totalitarian derangement of the Cultural Revolution. All told, China’s ruling Communist Party has annihilated an estimated 65 million Chinese men, women, children, and babies. Japan’s enormities, unspeakable as they were, don’t come close.

The recitation of dry casualty statistics cannot begin to convey what China’s victims suffered.

“Tibetans not only were shot,” the Dalai Lama has said of the carnage unleashed on his homeland during the 1950s, “but also were beaten to death, crucified, burned alive, drowned, mutilated, starved, strangled, hanged, boiled alive, buried alive, drawn and quartered, and beheaded.” The Chinese government complains that Japan’s remorse for its imperial crimes don’t go far enough or seem sincere enough. Meanwhile, the Chinese government’s remorse for its own crimes of occupation and repression is nonexistent.

Mao, who outdid even Hitler and Stalin in mass murder, once contrasted the performance of the Communist Party with that of an emperor infamous in Chinese history for his savagery: “What’s so unusual about Emperor Shih Huang of the Chin Dynasty? He had buried alive 460 scholars only, but we have buried alive 46,000 scholars!”

Burial alive is only one of the countless terrors China’s rulers have visited upon China’s people.

“Mutilation was carried out everywhere,” writes historian Frank Dikötter in “Mao’s Great Famine,” his gripping 2010 chronicle of life during the Great Leap Forward. “Hair was ripped out. Ears and noses were lopped off.” He recounts how a man named Wang Ziyou was penalized by party bosses in Hunan Province: “One of his ears chopped off, his legs were tied up with wire, a 10-kilo stone was dropped on his back, and he was branded with a hot iron — as punishment for digging up a potato.”

Yet to this day, Mao is revered by China’s government; a15-by-20-foot portrait of the “Great Helmsman” dominates one end of Tiananmen Square. There is not even a modest plaque to recall the hundreds of prodemocracy protesters gunned down by Chinese troops in 1989 — a massacre the government still refuses to acknowledge, much less apologize for. Just as it refuses to acknowledge or apologize for all the other crimes it has committed against the people of China.

Long after Japan’s cruelties in China ended, those of Mao and the Chinese Communist Party were just getting started. When will Beijing stop dwelling on the remorse due from Japan, and start doing penance for its own monstrous sins?
 
Strange people. leading the world yet still desperate to slit each other's throats.
 
Yeah, It's the time for destorying American evil empire all over the world and spank some purpets if necessary!


For world's peace and human rights, freedom, for most people from the whole world that can have a better future!
 
The biggest disaster was the great leap forward where up to 30 million Chinese died. It was a disaster for the country but was not deliberate in any way to cause death and suffering. Rather it was a combination of failed economic policies, overzealous application of communist ideologies into state planning and Chinese counties trying to out perform other counties in delivering grain to the state.

It was one total fcuk up of epic proportions.

But it fails to even remotely earn the description of 'genocide' on the grounds that the state did not deliberately set out to cause deaths.

This article is full of sensationalist shit.

460,000 scholars burried alive?
massacre in Tibet where 10 - 20 percent of the population died?

The OP is so unlearned so as to provide a sensationalist 'opinion' piece to back up his argument. Next he will cite Lux de Veritas for proof.

The Viet OP is getting desperate and are resorting to scraping the bottom of the barrel, rolling in gutters and chucking shit with his bare hands.

Better to stay away from him.
 
I think its an interesting example of a double standard.
What about your own country Carlosa?:lol:

Yes there were countless massacres and genocides through out human history that basically no one is innocent, but you guys went way beyond and managed to kill WHOLE civilizations! Isn‘t that the single worst crime can be done to humanity? Has the sins of Spain ever been atoned to the Mayans,Aztecs and Incas? Oh wait...you guys killed all of them that there is no one left to atone to.:rofl:

If you really want double standard,I suggest you go look into a mirror. :p:
 
What about your own country Carlosa?:lol:

Yes there were countless massacres and genocides through out human history that basically no one is innocent, but you guys went way beyond and managed to kill WHOLE civilizations! Isn‘t that the single worst crime can be done to humanity? Has the sins of Spain ever been atoned to the Mayans,Aztecs and Incas? Oh wait...you guys killed all of them that there is no one left to atone to.:rofl:

If you really want double standard,I suggest you go look into a mirror. :p:

Absolutely, but the difference is, we don't hide them, we acknowledge them. Its simply history, we are talking about historical facts here. The Spanish conquest of America resulted in the death of tens of millions, a very regrettable situation.

I would expect chinese members which always bash Japan for war crimes, to show some regret for the deaths of so many millions of chinese during the Mao era, but what I see is that instead, they try to justify those deaths because of what other countries have done in the past to others (American genocide against native Americans, etc). Its like if I say that its ok for me to murder somebody because others have also done that.

I guess all those millions of chinese lives are not really that important for chinese pdf members.

Very interesting mindset. Instead of discussing what happened during that dark period of chinese history, lets just pretend that it didn't happen. The glorious CPC could not possibly do anything like that of course.

Show me the Spanish double standard, do we hide the historical facts or try to rewrite history as China does?
 
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Those propagandists might have failed their elementary math courses.

If Mao had killed/starved 100 million Chinese, then China's population at that time should be in decline, not thriving.

BTW, China had suffered a difficult period thanked to the sanctions from both USA and USSR, no one expected that, while the Japanese intruders were killing the Chinese civilians for fun and conducting those inhuman experiments. This is like comparing apple to orange.
 
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China attacks are always for peace and humanity. Nothing is more peaceful than Chinese rule. Today's great Chinese empire is the product of much struggle. The struggle cannot be won without some properly executed killing! Let our greatness speak for itself. We are ready to kill even more including Viets and Pinoy to make our nation even more glorious.

hahahahaha thats funny:rofl:
 
the difference is simple:

not only is it not deliberately done (but rather a huge mistake that the CPC has already admitted was a mistake), there are conflicting reports from the period 1949-1976 by both Chinese and western observers, statistical evidence is also contested up to an order of magnitude on the death toll of the great leap forward. most importantly, there are millions of ppl from that era still alive, able and active in society to directly ask what happened. there is also only one real plaintiff pushing the case that the great leap forward was malice and not incompetence.

meanwhile it is very hard to argue that Japan did not deliberately commit those crimes, which is supported by witnesses, photography and statistics, none of which are contested outside Japan and for which there are more than 1 plaintiff. most direct survivors are already dead or too old to talk properly.
 
China has its own horrors to atone for
Jeff Jacoby BOSTON GLOBE COLUMNIST AUGUST 02, 2015

China has its own horrors to atone for - Opinion - The Boston Globe

Japan’s less-than-wholehearted remorse for its World War II-era atrocities has long been an unhealed wound in its relations with neighbors. The bruise is throbbing anew with the approach of August 15, the 70th anniversary of the announcement of Japan’s surrender.

China’s ambassador to Tokyo revived the topic July 23, when he pointedly advised Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe — who plans to deliver a speech marking the anniversary — to convey genuine contrition for the suffering caused by Japan’s aggression. “We will be watching how Japan sums up its past and shows sincerity to the victimized countries,” said the ambassador. Abe and other Japanese leaders have acknowledged their country’s crimes during the war, but their apologies have tended to be grudging or awkward. Frequently they have been undermined by truculent rationalizations, or by suggestions that Japan’s ugliest wartime offenses might still be open to debate.

The cruelties Japan inflicted on China, Korea, and other Asian nations in the 1930s and 1940s — mass murder, slave labor, biological and chemical warfare, human experimentation, and the forced sexual enslavement ofhundreds of thousands of girls and women — truly were horrific. Beijing’s demand for a more convincing display of penitence from Japan for what it did to so many helpless Chinese victims is not hard to understand.

But when will we hear a heartfelt apology or see meaningful atonement for the equally ghastly horrors inflicted on countless Chinese victims by their own government?

No force in history has shed more innocent Chinese blood than the Communist regime that has ruled since 1949, when Mao Zedong seized power and officially proclaimed the People’s Republic of China. The Japanese occupation had been ruthless, as had the massive civil war between Chiang Kai-shek’s Nationalists and the forces commanded by Mao. But with the reign of the Communist Party came violence and terror on a scale China had never before known.

In the first decades of Mao’s rule, wrote Jean-Louis Margolin in the acclaimed "Black Book of Communism,” a survey of the world’s Communist regimes, “there were between 6 million and 10 million deaths” that were directly caused by government action. But that’s only where the tally begins. To those victims add the “tens of millions of ‘counterrevolutionaries’ ” swept into Mao’s prisons and labor camps, “with perhaps 20 million dying there.” Add as well the appalling death toll during the Great Leap Forward, Mao’s calamitous campaign of forced collectivization and abolition of private agriculture, which caused a famine of more than biblical proportions, starving more than 40 million Chinese in less than three years.

There is also the genocide in Tibet, where between 10 and 20 percent of the population was wiped out by the Communist invasion. Millions more were massacred in successive ideological purges and terror campaigns and the totalitarian derangement of the Cultural Revolution. All told, China’s ruling Communist Party has annihilated an estimated 65 million Chinese men, women, children, and babies. Japan’s enormities, unspeakable as they were, don’t come close.

The recitation of dry casualty statistics cannot begin to convey what China’s victims suffered.

“Tibetans not only were shot,” the Dalai Lama has said of the carnage unleashed on his homeland during the 1950s, “but also were beaten to death, crucified, burned alive, drowned, mutilated, starved, strangled, hanged, boiled alive, buried alive, drawn and quartered, and beheaded.” The Chinese government complains that Japan’s remorse for its imperial crimes don’t go far enough or seem sincere enough. Meanwhile, the Chinese government’s remorse for its own crimes of occupation and repression is nonexistent.

Mao, who outdid even Hitler and Stalin in mass murder, once contrasted the performance of the Communist Party with that of an emperor infamous in Chinese history for his savagery: “What’s so unusual about Emperor Shih Huang of the Chin Dynasty? He had buried alive 460 scholars only, but we have buried alive 46,000 scholars!”

Burial alive is only one of the countless terrors China’s rulers have visited upon China’s people.

“Mutilation was carried out everywhere,” writes historian Frank Dikötter in “Mao’s Great Famine,” his gripping 2010 chronicle of life during the Great Leap Forward. “Hair was ripped out. Ears and noses were lopped off.” He recounts how a man named Wang Ziyou was penalized by party bosses in Hunan Province: “One of his ears chopped off, his legs were tied up with wire, a 10-kilo stone was dropped on his back, and he was branded with a hot iron — as punishment for digging up a potato.”

Yet to this day, Mao is revered by China’s government; a15-by-20-foot portrait of the “Great Helmsman” dominates one end of Tiananmen Square. There is not even a modest plaque to recall the hundreds of prodemocracy protesters gunned down by Chinese troops in 1989 — a massacre the government still refuses to acknowledge, much less apologize for. Just as it refuses to acknowledge or apologize for all the other crimes it has committed against the people of China.

Long after Japan’s cruelties in China ended, those of Mao and the Chinese Communist Party were just getting started. When will Beijing stop dwelling on the remorse due from Japan, and start doing penance for its own monstrous sins?
Truly the horrors of war and the horrors of revolution lead to the wanton destruction and suffering of innocents.


Yeah, yet another article on "massacre of great leap forward", very new and original. Would you like to point out the location of these supposed labor camps or mass graves? No? Because if the number of death is even close to the numbers you described, it would certainly has these physical evidences left, but I have yet to seen any of these so-called scholar actually come up with concrete proof.

And perhaps you missed the part that native Tibetan population increased at least three fold since it was integrated back to China. Here is a hint though, just because the monks are not allowed to lord their divinity over common people, it doesn't mean it is a genocide.

Oh, let's hear US government's apology of gunning down WWI veteran in bonus march first, because that one doesn't actually has foreign intelligence services backing and you are gunning actual servicemen that fought and die for the country.

Overall, I would say it is a very "original" piece, filled with tabloid lore and internet political propaganda which has been repeated rebuked a dozen times on this forum alone, would you like a cookie for it?
 
Truly the horrors of war and the horrors of revolution lead to the wanton destruction and suffering of innocents.

Two points :

1. CPC didn't even fight the imperialist forces of Japan in World War II

2. CPC killed millions of people in 50s and 60s.

The CPC here have absolutely no locus standi here when it comes to asking Japan to tender an apology and much less their CLOWN supporters.



A bit off-topic but here is a report showing true picture of CPC in it's hey days in 40s 50s and 60s

Kindly read the article if you are curious about the origins of CPC
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The CCP Didn’t Fight Imperial Japan; the KMT Did | The Diplomat

As Diplomat readers are well aware — and the Pacific Realist is frankly sick of —China has mounted a sustained campaign demanding that Tokyo take a “correct” view of Imperial Japan’s unspeakable crimes during WWII.

There’s always been a good deal of irony to all of this. Although far too many Japanese leaders have tried to shrink or even deny the crimes of Imperial Japan, including its atrocities in China, successive Japanese governments have acknowledged and apologized for many of these.

On the other hand, the Chinese Communist Party has also committed numerous massacres of Chinese since establishing the People’s Republic of China. This began early in its tenure while consolidating its control over the vast country, as Frank Dikötter notes in a terrific recent book. With regards to the “land reform” campaign alone, for instance, Dikötter writes, “The exact number of victims killed in the land reform will never be known, but it is unlikely to have been fewer than 1.5 to 2 million people from 1947 to 1952.” At least another two million were killed in the Great Terror that Mao launched between 1950-1952 to weed out imaginary counter-revolutionaries.

Of course, there was also the widespread famine that killed tens of millions during the Great Leap Forward. To be sure, there’s no reason to believe that Mao and the other CCP leaders intended to starve these people when they launched the Great Leap Forward. That being said, they continued these policies for years after they realized the disastrous outcomes they were having simply because Mao didn’t want to admit his failures. Then, of course, the entire country was plunged into chaos once again during the Cultural Revolution, which was Mao’s attempt to ensure his atrocities weren’t publicly acknowledged by the Party after his death.

As it turned, he needn’t have worried as the CCP under Deng Xiaoping decided it was not in the Party’s interest to acknowledge it had nearly destroyed the county many times over in its first 25 years in power. Instead, the CCP has devoted considerable resources to systematically rewriting history — or at the very least burying it. Unlike in Japan, where history is distorted by hardline leaders, in China distorting history is the official state policy. Meanwhile, taking the correct view of history is illegal — which is why books like Tombstone are banned.

Reasonable observers might conclude that it is the height of hypocrisy for the CCP to wage a global PR war over Japan’s views of history on the one hand, while on the other hand criminalizing a correct view of its own history. And there was a time not too long ago I might have agreed with these reasonable observers’ conclusion. However, this week Xi Jinping and the CCP took their hypocrisy on history to new heights.

As Shannon reported on Wednesday, earlier this year “China’s legislature passed a resolution creating two new national observances. ‘Victory Day’ on September 3 would commemorate Japan’s surrender in the ‘War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression,’ China’s name for its fight against Imperial Japan before and during World War II. December 13 was also named a National Memorial Day to commemorate the Nanjing Massacre.”

She went on to note that President Xi and the entire Politburo Standing Committee participated in the new Victory Day celebrations, which they used mostly to criticize contemporary Japanese policy, and to try to create the impression that Japan’s shifting defense posture represents a return to the militarism of Imperial Japan.

However, along with criticizing Japan, Xi and the PBSC also used the Victory Day celebrations to praise the CCP itself. As Shannon writes, the Victory Day holiday “also served as a celebration of the Chinese Communist Party’s role in defeating Japan — and more than that, in saving China from its century of humiliation…. Xi credited the CCP with spearheading the movement to unite all of China’s people in opposition to Japan. To Xi Jinping, the deciding factors in the war were the ‘great national spirit’ of the Chinese people — particularly, their patriotism — and the leadership of the CCP.”

None of this is particularly new. The CCP has long claimed credit for having tirelessly defended China from the Imperial Japanese army. This couldn’t be further from the truth, however. As I have noted elsewhere, Japan’s invasion of China saved the CCP from Chiang Kai-shek and the KMT, and ultimately allowed Mao to defeat the KMT in the ensuing civil war. Indeed, by the end of 1934, the CCP was on the verge of extinction after KMT troops delivered another heavy blow to the Red Army in Jiangxi Province, which forced the Party to undertake the now infamous Long March to Xi’an in the northwestern province of Shaanxi. Chiang initially pursued the Communist forces, and would have almost certainly delivered a final blow to the CCP if war with Japan could have been delayed. As it turned out, Chiang was not able to put off the war with Japan any longer, and domestic and international pressure forced him to accept a tacit alliancewith the CCP against Japan.

At the onset of the war, then, the CCP was not in any position to defend anyone from the formidable Japanese military. In fact, it wasn’t even in a position to defend itself from the KMT. The initial battles of the second Sino-Japanese War in southern China were the largest ones, and the KMT fought them alone.

This would be the trend of the entire war. As two scholars note, “From 1937 to 1945, there were 23 battles where both sides employed at least a regiment each. The CCP was not a main force in any of these. The only time it participated, it sent a mere 1,000 to 1,500 men, and then only as a security detachment on one of the flanks.There were 1,117 significant engagements on a scale smaller than a regular battle, but the CCP fought in only one. Of the approximately 40,000 skirmishes, just 200 were fought by the CCP, or 0.5 percent.”

By the CCP’s own accounts during the war, it barely played a role. Specifically, in January 1940 Zhou Enlai sent a secret report to Joseph Stalin which said that over a million Chinese had died fighting the Japanese through the summer of 1939. He further admitted that only 3 percent of those were CCP forces. In the same letter, Zhou pledged to continue to support Chiang and recognize “the key position of the Kuomintang in leading the organs of power and the army throughout the country.” In fact, in direct contradiction to Xi’s claims on Wednesday, Zhou acknowledged that Chiang and the KMT “united all the forces of the nation” in resisting Japan’s aggression.

While the KMT were busy uniting the country and fighting the Japanese military, CCP forces spent much of the early part of the war hiding in the mountains to avoid battle. As the KMT was decimated by the Japanese military, it was forced to retreat further south. At the same time, the Japanese forces largely focused on securing control of Chinese cities and strategic infrastructure, while ignoring China’s massive countryside. Thus, the KMT’s efforts to actually defend China created a power vacuum in rural areas, which the CCP came out of hiding to seize. It used its control over these villages to perfect its propaganda and political efforts, and hid among the population to avoid fighting the Japanese army. According to Soviet military advisers stationed in CCP-controlled areas at the time, the CCP also used this land to grow opium to fund its growing operations.

As far as fighting went, the CCP engaged in guerilla warfare and sabotage missions. This certainly annoyed the Japanese forces, but it did not have a significant impact on Japan’s war operations. In fact, even the Japanese North China Area Army — which had command over the northern areas where the CCP was located and the KMT was relatively weaker than elsewhere —continued to see defeating the KMT as its primary objective. The greater impact of these guerilla operations was in helping the CCP win new recruits. The CCP used their “heroic” operations against the hated Japanese enemy to recruit young men (and women) to their cause, much as militant groups like the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham film their exploits today and post them on YouTube to attract recruits.

This was highly successful. According to the CCP’s own estimates, it began the war with 30,000 troops. By Victory Day, it had 1.2 million regular troops and around 2.6 million to 3 million militia under its command. It was also quick to seize the areas that the Japanese army was vacating, and seized the Japanese equipment. In fact, in some instances it even forced the Japanese soldiers to join the Red Army (the KMT did the same). Of course, the war not only allowed the CCP to grow much stronger, but it also greatly depleted the Nationalist’s strength. This allowed the CCP to prevail easily in the civil war.

This was not by accident but by design. The CCP had a choice: it could have prioritized defending the country against Japan during the war, or it could have prioritized seizing control of China from those who did fight the Japanese. It chose the latter. Meanwhile, by choosing to actually try to defend China against Japan during the war, the Nationalists handed the country to the CCP afterwards.

Which is why Xi and the CCP’s decision to create a national observance day to honor its defense of China during the second Sino-Japanese War represents the height of hypocrisy. It’s one thing to try to suppress all information exposing the Party’s failings, which killed millions of Chinese, while demanding Japan take a correct view of history (which Tokyo should do). It’s another thing altogether to falsely claim credit for one of the defining moments of your country’s modern history. And it’s really something unprecedented to create a national holiday to honor your Party for doing something it consciously avoided; namely, putting China’s defense over the CCP itself. Classy.
 
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