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China has made its first supercomputer based on Chinese microprocessor chips, an advance that surprised high-performance computing specialists in the United States.

The announcement was made this week at a technical meeting held in Jinan, China, organized by industry and government organizations. The new machine, the Sunway BlueLight MPP, was installed in September at the National Supercomputer Center in Jinan, the capital of Shandong Province in eastern China.

The Sunway system, which can perform about 1,000 trillion calculations per second — a petaflop — will probably rank among the 20 fastest computers in the world. More significantly, it is composed of 8,700 ShenWei SW1600 microprocessors, designed at a Chinese computer institute and manufactured in Shanghai.

Currently, the Chinese are about three generations behind the state-of-art chip making technologies used by world leaders such as the United States, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan.

“This is a bit of a surprise,” said Jack Dongarra, a computer scientist at the University of Tennessee and a leader of the Top500 project, a list of the world’s fastest computers.

Last fall, another Chinese-based supercomputer, the Tianhe-1A, created an international sensation when it was briefly ranked as the world’s fastest, before it was displaced in the spring by a rival Japanese machine, the K Computer, designed by Fujitsu. But the Tianhe was built from processor chips made by American companies, Intel and Nvidia, though its internal switching system was designed by Chinese engineers. Similarly, the K computer was based on Sparc chips, originally designed at Sun Microsystems in Silicon Valley.

Dr. Dongarra said the Sunway’s theoretical peak performance was about 74 percent as fast as the fastest United States computer — the Jaguar supercomputer at the Department of Energy facility at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, made by Cray Inc. That machine is currently the third fastest on the list.

The Energy Department is planning three supercomputers that would run at 10 to 20 petaflops. And the United States is embarking on an effort to reach an exaflop, or one million trillion mathematical operations in a second, sometime before the end of the decade, though most computer scientists say the necessary technologies do not yet exist.

To build such a computer from existing components would require immense amounts of electricity — roughly the amount produced by a medium-size nuclear power plant. In contrast, Dr. Dongarra said it was intriguing that the power requirements of the new Chinese supercomputer were relatively modest — about one megawatt, according to reports from the technical conference. The Tianhe supercomputer consumes about four megawatts and the Jaguar about seven.

The ShenWei microprocessor appears to be based on some of the same design principles that are favored by Intel’s most advanced microprocessors, according to several supercomputer experts in the United States.

But there is disagreement over whether the machine’s cooling technology is appropriate for designs that will be required by the exaflop-class supercomputers of the future.

Photos of the new Sunway supercomputer reveal an elaborate water-cooling system that may be a significant advance in the design of the very fastest machines. “Getting this cooling technology correct is very, very difficult,” said Steven Wallach, chief scientist at Convey Computer, a Richardson, Tex., supercomputer firm. “This tells me that this is a serious design. This cooling technology could scale to exaflop. They are in the hunt to win.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/w...sed-on-its-own-microprocessor-chips.html?_r=1
 
Congrats to our chinese brothers. I wonder what other surprises they have in store for the west. lol
 
To summarize,
1 This Chinese machine has 74% of performance of the fastest machines in the US but needs only 15% power. (But this is not the fastest ones in China, the fastest computer build in China is faster than any machine in USA.)
2 Chinese production ability of microchips is about 2 or 3 generations behind of that of US, but this one was designed using same principle that Intel uses to in its newest chips.
 
To summarize,
1 This Chinese machine has 74% of performance of the fastest machines in the US but needs only 15% power. (But this is not the fastest ones in China, the fastest computer build in China is faster than any machine in USA.)
2 Chinese production ability of microchips is about 2 or 3 generations behind of that of US, but this one was designed using same principle that Intel uses to in its newest chips.

Except Chinese chips are 3 generations behind or at 1980s level...
 
3 generations behind is more like the pentium II architecture. So its 17 years behind the US.

No, these processors are simply i80xxx series clocked higher. Industrial technology for 1GHz processors was available before the Soviet Union collapsed. The reason why they weren't marketed for consumer use is due to the lack of liquid cooling in households. The fact that they rammed 16cores into one processor, shows u how hot the thing is.

Don't get carried away comparing a national project to the market date of mass-produced fan-cooled, consumer processors.

In any case, these processor were likely manufactured using foreign precision machinery in China -- like all of your "high tech" products, including wind turbines and solar panels.

Don't worry about it though, France, Korea and Taiwan import all of their itchers too. Only the US, Japan and Israel can produce the core technologies.
 
No, these processors are simply i80xxx series clocked higher. Industrial technology for 1GHz processors was available before the Soviet Union collapsed. The reason why they weren't marketed for consumer use is due to the lack of liquid cooling in households. The fact that they rammed 16cores into one processor, shows u how hot the thing is.

Don't get carried away comparing a national project to the market date of mass-produced fan-cooled, consumer processors.

In any case, these processor were likely manufactured using foreign itchers in China -- like all of your "high tech" products, including wind turbines and solar panels.

Don't worry about it though, France, Korea and Taiwan import all of their precision machinery too. Only the US, Japan and Israel can produce the core technologies.
If it can be used to make a high end Supercomputer then it is nice development
 
No, these processors are simply i80xxx series clocked higher. Industrial technology for 1GHz processors was available before the Soviet Union collapsed. The reason why they weren't marketed for consumer use is due to the lack of liquid cooling in households. The fact that they rammed 16cores into one processor, shows u how hot the thing is.

Don't get carried away comparing a national project to the market date of mass-produced fan-cooled, consumer processors.

In any case, these processor were likely manufactured using foreign itchers in China -- like all of your "high tech" products, including wind turbines and solar panels.

Don't worry about it though, France, Korea and Taiwan import all of their precision machinery too. Only the US, Japan and Israel can produce the core technologies.

who cares where it is from, now its china's technology. china can develop it on its own to gain technology independence and export it to other nations.
thats worked a charm in solar, wind, nuclear, high-speed rail, etc
chinese companies will dominate that particular field.

that means china can provide that technology at a lower cost to anyone that wants it. its like china developing its own turbofan engines for the fighter jets. it allows china to export fighter without getting approval from anyone. same thing here.
the supercomputer is made using chinese chips which stops foreign nations putting embargoes.

china is doing the same thing in everything from semiconductor, software, IT, machinery, optical, medical and precision devices, etc etc.

its a superb strategy by china, the west has been whinging about it saying their companies are losing out in different fields.
 
Congratulation to China. Every journey begins with a single step.
 
having more cores splitting the work puts less strain on each individual core as compared to having a single core shoulder the entire load. this not only allows for greater performance potential but also a generally lower power draw – provided that both cores aren't under a greater load.
 
who cares where it is from, now its china's technology. china can develop it on its own to gain technology independence and export it to other nations.
thats worked a charm in solar, wind, nuclear, high-speed rail, etc
chinese companies will dominate that particular field.

that means china can provide that technology at a lower cost to anyone that wants it. its like china developing its own turbofan engines for the fighter jets. it allows china to export fighter without getting approval from anyone. same thing here.
the supercomputer is made using chinese chips which stops foreign nations putting embargoes.

china is doing the same thing in everything from semiconductor, software, IT, machinery, optical, medical and precision devices, etc etc.

its a superb strategy by china, the west has been whinging about it saying their companies are losing out in different fields.

I think you're being misled by delusions of grandeur. Most precision machinery are assembled to counter reverse-engineering. China is not developing its own technology, as no technology has been exported to China. The communist state is simply continuously importing new machinery from abroad to manufacture domestically. The reason why China can make it cheaper than foreign manufactures in China is because of state subsidies, interest-free loans, free land and unequal treatment of multinationals, issues you should know very well about.

China has no cost or tech advantage over anyone. You guys are simply manipulating your currency to force multinationals to manufacture in China, and updating production lines through imports.

Your country is not becoming more independent, but more dependent on tech from the West. The moment machines stop from Japan and Germany. You guys won't be able to make anything but toys and socks.
 
I think you're being misled by delusions of grandeur. Most precision machinery are assembled to counter reverse-engineering. China is not developing its own technology, as no technology has been exported to China. The communist state is simply continuously importing new machinery from abroad to manufacture domestically. The reason why China can make it cheaper than foreign manufactures in China is because of state subsidies, interest-free loans, free land and unequal treatment of multinationals, issues you should know very well about.

China has no cost or tech advantage over anyone. You guys are simply manipulating your currency to force multinationals to manufacture in China, and updating production lines through imports.

Your country is not becoming more independent, but more dependent on tech from the West. The moment machines stop from Japan and Germany. You guys won't be able to make anything but toys and socks.

I think the Chinese are very clever and resourceful people.
With the amount of scientists and engineers they train, even if precision machines were to stop comming from Japan and Germany, I'm sure they will be able to produce their own.
 
Except Chinese chips are 3 generations behind or at 1980s level...

3 generations behind is more like the pentium II architecture. So its 17 years behind the US.

I think "generation" refers to the fabrication process.

Current generation is 22nm.

3 generations behind would be 65nm (i.e. 22nm, 32nm, 45nm, 65nm)

I think China is on 65nm with its Loongson.

FYI, 65nm was achieved in 2006, so China is not decades behind.
 
I think "generation" refers to the fabrication process.

Current generation is 22nm.

3 generations behind would be 65nm (i.e. 22nm, 32nm, 45nm, 65nm)

I think China is on 65nm with its Loongson.

FYI, 65nm was achieved in 2006, so China is not decades behind.

Generations are not divided by manufacturing processes. They are categorized my microarchitecture designs emcompassing caching, software and much more.

Longson is made in France with American itchers.

China is a developing country, and therefore should not even try to compare itself with the US or Japan, both of which live off of x10 the per capita income of the average Chinese.
 

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