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https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/07/business/trade-war-china-treasuries/index.html

London (CNN Business)In the US-China trade war, it's been a week of rapid escalation. Beijing devalued the yuan after the Trump administration threatened to slap tariffs on just about every Chinese export. The United States then labeled China a "currency manipulator," deepening the rift.

The exchanges have rocked global markets and threaten the global economy. What happens next is anyone's guess.

China has said it is prepared to fight, if necessary. And it has one hugely powerful weapon up its sleeve: it's the American government's biggest creditor.

In theory, Beijing could trigger a panic in bond markets by dumping some of the $1.1 trillion in US Treasuries that it owns.

By releasing a flood of US Treasuries, the price would collapse, sending yields (or interest rates) soaring and causing American borrowing costs to rocket.

But there are very good reasons why China is unlikely ever to pull the trigger. First, it may not have the desired effect. Second, it could backfire badly on its own economy.

"It's likely not the most effective tool available," said Brad Setser, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and former US Treasury economist.

The nuclear option

China has taken steps in recent days to prop up the yuan, signaling that the depreciation was intended as a warning sign. But President Donald Trump could still hit back, even as the administration sticks to its plan for more trade talks in September.

It's a combustible situation that's ripe for further escalation. That's where concern about China's holdings of US bonds comes in.

If China really wants to rattle the United States, the thinking goes, it could trash the value of US Treasuries by pushing them into the market.

That would cause yields to spike. And since Treasury yields serve as a benchmark for business and consumer credit, the price of corporate debt, mortgages and auto loans would then rise, putting the brakes on US economic growth. The dollar could also suffer as alarm spreads.

Beijing's conundrum

In reality, such a move carries big risks, and doesn't align with China's current strategy, according to Michael Hirson, the China practice head at consultancy Eurasia Group. He previously served as the US Treasury's chief representative in Beijing.

"We're clearly in an escalatory cycle," Hirson said. "But I think Beijing's primary motivation right now in the trade war is to be able to withstand pressure from Trump. You can think of it as 'resilience comes first.' "

In that respect, ditching US Treasuries could be counterproductive. If Beijing kicks off a fire sale for US bonds, it would gut the value of its remaining holdings.

It needs that stash to defend its currency. Experts think China will try to engineer a controlled fall in the yuan in coming months, allowing it to soak up some of the pressure on the economy without sparking an exodus of capital from the country.

Another deterrent: a sell-off of US Treasuries would undermine China's push to attract foreign investment to its equity and bond markets.

"It needs that foreign inflow to cushion its currency during the trade war," Hirson said. "If China weaponizes Treasury holdings, that sends a very alarming message to global investors."

Questionable impact
There's also the question of whether abandoning US Treasuries would hit the United States in a real way. Setser said he's skeptical.

"The moment it starts to have a big negative impact on the US, the Fed would likely react," he said.
In a 2012 report to Congress, the Defense Department pointed out that the Federal Reserve is "fully capable" of purchasing US Treasuries that China pumps into the market to rein in the economic consequences.

Furthermore, China has few alternative places to park its $3.1 trillion in foreign reserves.
German and Japanese bonds would typically be an option, but they offer zero return at best. A 1.63% yield on 10-year US government debt looks much better than the 0.59% negative return on the equivalent German bonds, which hit another record low on Wednesday. That means effectively paying the German government for the privilege of lending to it.

The threat of dumping US Treasuries remains on the table. But for China, it still isn't very appealing.
Matt Egan contributed to this report.
 
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it's the American government's biggest creditor.

A correction there, it's the biggest foreign creditor. The largest creditor is the US itself.

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Anyone who had study the basics of macroeconomics and finance would know that dumping US bonds is not a viable weapon. It's a double-edged sword, and one that would hurt China more than the US.

China dumps US bonds > US yields spike.

The US can easily bring down yields by adopting an expanding monetary policy and increase money supply through quantitative easing; I.E. print money. This is what they mean by 'fully capable' of purchasing US bonds dumped by China.

the Defense Department pointed out that the Federal Reserve is "fully capable" of purchasing US Treasuries that China pumps into the market

End result, the US suffers a devaluation of the USD (which I think what Trump wants anyway) and China suffers a massive loss in their foreign reserves.

Japan holds almost as much US bonds as China, but no one is saying Japan could destroy the US financially lol.
 
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A correction there, it's the biggest foreign creditor. The largest creditor is the US itself.

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Anyone who had study the basics of macroeconomics and finance would know that dumping US bonds is not a viable weapon. It's a double-edged sword, and one that would hurt China more than the US.

China dumps US bonds > US yields spike.

The US can easily bring down yields by adopting an expanding monetary policy and increase money supply through quantitative easing; I.E. print money. This is what they mean by 'fully capable' of purchasing US bonds dumped by China.



End result, the US suffers a devaluation of the USD (which I think what Trump wants anyway) and China suffers a massive loss in their foreign reserves.

Japan holds almost as much US bonds as China, but no one is saying Japan could destroy the US financially lol.

@Mista

Is Chinese dumping Treasuries going to lead to devaluation of USD ? I see the reverse happening. Interest rates rise which drives up the USD. that messes up the American economy in a different manner
 
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@Mista

Is Chinese dumping Treasuries going to lead to devaluation of USD ? I see the reverse happening. Interest rates rise which drives up the USD. that messes up the American economy in a different manner

Nope. An unplanned increase in yields (if it's a huge fluctuation) will destabilize the economy as the cost of borrowing will increase like the article said:

By releasing a flood of US Treasuries, the price would collapse, sending yields (or interest rates) soaring and causing American borrowing costs to rocket.

The Fed will want maintain a stable yield therefore they will intervene and bring down yields through QE. Ceteris peribus, an expansion of money supply without a corresponding increase in money demand will bring down the price of money; USD devalues.
 
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Nope. An unplanned increase in yields (if it's a huge fluctuation) will destabilize the economy as the cost of borrowing will increase like the article said:

fair enough ... what will investors outside USA do when they see 30 year US treasury note yielding 10% ?
 
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fair enough ... what will investors outside USA do when they see 30 year US treasury note yielding 10% ?

Investors aren't stupid because they know the Fed will definitely intervene immediately.

Would you invest in a product which claim a 10% yield for 30 years, even though you know the actual yield will drop to 1% the next day?

Anyway you're getting the cause and effect backwards.

Yields spike because the assumption is that there's a drop in bond prices. If there are investors buying the bonds China dumped, yields will remain the same.
 
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Investors aren't stupid because they know the Fed will definitely intervene immediately.

Would you invest in a product which claim a 10% yield for 30 years, even though you know the actual yield will drop to 1% the next day?

you need a education in bonds and bond funds

the yield on the treasury bond (or that matter any bond) is fixed. Uncle Sam assures you will be repaid both in principal and dividends
If I buy a $1000 bond that yields 5% for 30 years the US government assures you get the yield. Now tomorrow I get a $1000 that pays 10% for 30 years the value of the first $1000 bond (one pays 5%) goes down to $500. This is only a problem if I sell the bond.

you can play the scenario backward
there is money to be made
 
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you need a education in bonds and bond funds

the yield on the treasury bond (or that matter any bond) is fixed. Uncle Sam assures you will be repaid both in principal and dividends
If I buy a $1000 bond that yields 5% for 30 years the US government assures you get the yield. Now tomorrow I get a $1000 that pays 10% for 30 years the value of the first $1000 bond (one pays 5%) goes down to $500. This is only a problem if I sell the bond.

you can play the scenario backward
there is money to be made

:lol:
You're the one who needs a formal education on finance. I have, have you?

The coupon is fixed, but the yield is not fixed. Go understand the difference between these two and the relationship with bond price before lecturing me on finance.

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:lol:
You're the one who needs a formal education on finance. I have, have you?

The coupon is fixed, but the yield is not fixed. Go understand the difference between these two and the relationship with bond price before lecturing me on finance.

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the yield is not fixed because the market price of the bonds varies according to current yields

but if you do not care about selling the bonds why bother ?
 
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the yield is not fixed because the market price of the bonds varies according to current yields

but if you do not care about selling the bonds why bother ?

You don't buy directly from the US government whenever you want, you buy from the market which depend on prices and yield.

You buy from the government only during a launch, and what is fixed is only the coupon that the government set.

You're obtuse if you think the government would give such a high coupon rate when they bring down yields. Heck.

One would thought that you have received a formal education in finance when you told me to get one. Judging from your reply, probably not.

If you're ignorant, ask politely.
 
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You don't buy directly from the US government whenever you want, you buy from the market which depend on prices and yield.

You buy from the government only during a launch, and what is fixed is only the coupon that the government set.

You're obtuse if you think the government would give such a high coupon rate when they bring down yields. Heck.

One would thought that you have received a formal education in finance when you told me to get one. Judging from your reply, probably not.

If you're ignorant, ask politely.

you are right most investors do not buy directly from the US government. you are right you are not going to have an overnight difference of 5% and 10%. it was done to illustrate an example.

If you bought a 30 year treasury in 1982 you got a 17% yield. Collecting that interest for 30 years - you cannot beat it in the stock market

if the market is attractive people will jump in - both domestic and overseas buyers. that is the real reason china is not unloading US Treasuries
 
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you are right most investors do not buy directly from the US government. you are right you are not going to have an overnight difference of 5% and 10%. it was done to illustrate an example.

If you bought a 30 year treasury in 1982 you got a 17% yield. Collecting that interest for 30 years - you cannot beat it in the stock market

if the market is attractive people will jump in - both domestic and overseas buyers. that is the real reason china is not unloading US Treasuries

Which part of market forces do you not understand? If investors jump in when yields spike, bond prices will return to the original price and yield falls. You buy ONLY from the market at that yield, and the market reacts accordingly.

If making money is as simple as you claimed, China could've just sell half of her holdings and buy again at '10%' yield. Rinse and repeat for infinite money.

Come on, that's common sense here. It's obvious that you know nothing when you're proposing something so incredibly asinine, so let's just stop here. I have better things to do.
 
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Which part of market forces do you not understand? If investors jump in when yields spike, bond prices will return to the original price and yield falls. You buy ONLY from the market at that yield, and the market reacts accordingly.

If making money is as simple as you claimed, China could've just sell half of her holdings and buy again at '10%' yield. Rinse and repeat for infinite money.

Come on, that's common sense here. It's obvious that you know nothing when you're proposing something so incredibly asinine, so let's just stop here. I have better things to do.

if china dumps the holdings it will be at a loss. there is money lost. China is the seller.
end of discussion
 
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