China Claims #9 Rank In United States Patents!

[Speeder 2]

Can you provide me with a list of WIPO patent grants for 2009 to the top ten countries?

I listed them already in my post above.

I know my fellow Americans. If I compile a list of patent applications then their first objection is that we don't know how many applications were rejected. I need the number of WIPO patents granted to individual countries for 2009.

All the numbers in above article are actural Patents Granted, not Patents solicitated or pending.

WIPO's charts are not user-friendly. I cannot extract the information needed to create a top-ten chart from the massive data in their spreadsheets (e.g. the three "patents granted" tables). See Statistics on Patents

The best information that I can find is a chart of "Patent grants by patent office: top 20 offices, 2006" under "A.3.2: Total Patent Grants By Patent Office." See World Patent Report: A Statistical Review (2008)

I need the following to create an exciting list of top ten countries receiving WIPO patents.

1) The information has to be for patents granted and not patent applications.

2) The information has to be current (e.g. for 2009).

3) A chart isn't very useful. I need hard numbers to rank on a list.

4) I need a newslink where the reader can click on it and verify for themselves that the data is correct.

If you can point me to a newslink with reasonably easy-to-understand current data for 2009 WIPO patents granted then I would be happy to create another exciting "horse race" among countries for WIPO patents granted. An international WIPO list would make a good complement to my existing U.S.P.T.O. (i.e. U.S. Patent and Trademark Office) patents-granted list.

Go to my article site provided, stroll to the bottom apendix, there're all the info charts you need of the latest 5 years for all UN member countries .

Also, WIPO website is a huge site, try go to 2009 annual yearbook section where you can find all the detailed charts/numbers you can imagine. I can't recall the link. I did it once a year ago... just keep searching that site.

 

[Martian2]

I listed them already in my post above.






All the numbers in above article are actural Patents Granted, not Patents solicitated or pending.





Go to my article site provided, stroll to the bottom apendix, there're all the info charts you need of the latest 5 years for all UN member countries .

Also, WIPO website is a huge site, try go to 2009 annual yearbook section where you can find all the detailed charts/numbers you can imagine. I can't recall the link. I did it once a year ago... just keep searching that site.

I'm confused. The table for "Annex 2" lists "PCT International Applications - Top 15 Countries of Origin." Are you claiming that "applications" mean "granted?" Or am I not looking at the right table?

Also, I've clicked on just about every relevant link on the "WIPO Resources" website and I still can't find the data for 2009.

I remember trying to compile a WIPO patent list last year, but I gave up.

 

[Speeder 2]

I'm confused. The table for "Annex 2" lists "PCT International Applications - Top 15 Countries of Origin." Are you claiming that "applications" mean "granted?" Or am I not looking at the right table?

Also, I've clicked on just about every relevant link on the "WIPO Resources" website and I still can't find the data for 2009.

I remember trying to compile a WIPO patent list last year, but I gave up.

I understand your confusion. Same here. see, the # of patents granted by the USA patent office to the USA (you posted) is far more than the # of Int'l PCT WIPO granted to the USA ( I posted).

We are using 2 different standards here : domestic & Int'l. USA's domestic patents granted might not be fully recognised by WIPO whose standard is international.

I agree with you that patents are hughly complicated things. That's why Patent Lawyers make a sh*t load of money. You need a lot of time to understand the delicate differences btw different sets of standards, then go on to detailed catagories such as resident filings and non-resident filings, etc.

But generally speaking, the numbers in my post are Int'l PCT (they are Patents GRANTED for sure ; not patents solicited or pending or other statues which don't count and WIPO has seperate columns especially for those).

The numbers there in my post are often quoted by other reputed sources such as New Scientists etc when talking about patents per country in a general sense --> int'l PCT. Therefore when ppl refer to patents fillings per country, usually they refer to Int'l standard, the set of numbers used by WIPO.

I recall that I've seen somehwere that China mainland had many times more patents pending in WIPO in 2009, but only granted less than 8000 or so, the similar ratio for other major countries as well. If you want to compile it, fine, maybe take a Commecial Law course on Patents first, good luck !

 

[Martian2]

I understand your confusion. Same here. see, the # of patents granted by the USA patent office to the USA (you posted) is far more than the # of Int'l PCT WIPO granted to the USA ( I posted).

We are using 2 different standards here : domestic & Int'l. USA's domestic patents granted might not be fully recognised by WIPO whose standard is international.

I agree with you that patents are hughly complicated things. That's why Patent Lawyers make a sh*t load of money. You need a lot of time to understand the delicate differences btw different sets of standards, then go on to detailed catagories such as resident filings and non-resident filings, etc.

But generally speaking, the numbers in my post are Int'l PCT (they are Patents GRANTED for sure ; not patents solicited or pending or other statues which don't count and WIPO has seperate columns especially for those).

The numbers there in my post are often quoted by other reputed sources such as New Scientists etc when talking about patents per country in a general sense --> int'l PCT. Therefore when ppl refer to patents fillings per country, usually they refer to Int'l standard, the set of numbers used by WIPO.

I recall that I've seen somehwere that China mainland had many times more patents pending in WIPO in 2009, but only granted less than 8000 or so, the similar ratio for other major countries as well. If you want to compile it, fine, maybe take a Commecial Law course on Patents first, good luck !

I appreciate your attempts to help me. However, WIPO is very confusing for me. All I want is a simple chart; just like the USPTO table that lists "Number of Patents Granted as Distributed by Year of Patent Grant
Breakout by U.S. State and Foreign Country of Origin." (See Patents By Country, State, and Year - All Patent Types (December 2009))

Since I can't make sense of the WIPO tables, I believe that many readers will also become confused. Until WIPO arranges their data in an user-friendly fashion and labels them in plain English to make it easy for everyone to understand, I won't cite them.

 

[Speeder 2]

I appreciate your attempts to help me. However, WIPO is very confusing for me. All I want is a simple chart; just like the USPTO table that lists "Number of Patents Granted as Distributed by Year of Patent Grant
Breakout by U.S. State and Foreign Country of Origin." (See Patents By Country, State, and Year - All Patent Types (December 2009))

Since I can't make sense of the WIPO tables, I believe that many readers will also become confused. Until WIPO arranges their data in an user-friendly fashion and labels them in plain English to make it easy for everyone to understand, I won't cite them.

I need to go to sleep now thus make it quick. Complicated it might be, still, WIPO is THE most authoritive standard body internationalwise, because it's the biggest and it's the UN body.

It reminds me of one of my own experiences. Many years ago when I was a teenager, I got a brand-new id on one of the telecom applications. I teamed up with a friend of mine who just started to work for European Space Agency. With his encouragement and help we decided to file a patent on that together. The we were arranged by my ex-gf to see her uncle, one of the most highly decrorated Patent Lawyer of the EU specialised in Telecom, for a free 20min. consulting session. We went to his office in brussles, there were loads of tech paper needed to be filed, and he advised us to quit it becuase he saw there's little chance to get it through, maximum with Pending statue, not worth it. Further, if file for int'l patent (hence enjoy worldwise protection), we needed to pay about Euro 40,000; for an EU patent, we still got to pay almost the half of it... later we finally gave up...


that's how complicated patents are. there're different sets of standards for different sets of applications...you don't go to patent office to file yourself, you usually need a specialised lawyer for that.

Give it up mate, just quote WIPO, forget about the US domestic standard, hey, if you were in Germany, you almost certainly needs different version of it.


OK. good night/day.

 

[Martian2]

I need to go to sleep now thus make it quick. Complicated it might be, still, WIPO is THE most authoritive standard body internationalwise, because it's the biggest and it's the UN body.

It reminds me of one of my own experiences. Many years ago when I was a teenager, I got a brand-new id on one of the telecom applications. I teamed up with a friend of mine who just started to work for European Space Agency. With his encouragement and help we decided to file a patent on that together. The we were arranged by my ex-gf to see her uncle, one of the most highly decrorated Patent Lawyer of the EU specialised in Telecom, for a free 20min. consulting session. We went to his office in brussles, there were loads of tech paper needed to be filed, and he advised us to quit it becuase he saw there's little chance to get it through, maximum with Pending statue, not worth it. Further, if file for int'l patent (hence enjoy worldwise protection), we needed to pay about Euro 40,000; for an EU patent, we still got to pay almost the half of it... later we finally gave up...


that's how complicated patents are. there're different sets of standards for different sets of applications...you don't go to patent office to file yourself, you usually need a specialised lawyer for that.

Give it up mate, just quote WIPO, forget about the US domestic standard, hey, if you were in Germany, you almost certainly needs different version of it.


OK. good night/day.

I believe that the WIPO "patents granted" data are buried in a massive spreadsheet under "Patent grants by country of origin and by office (1995-2008)." (See Statistics on Patents)

The first problem is that the data is only for 2008. That is surmountable because I'll just wait for the release of the 2009 data. The second problem is that the critical data is buried in a humongous spreadsheet. There is no way that I'm digging through that. Also, most readers do not have the time to sift through the spreadsheet to verify the patent numbers. This reduces the utility because readers have to trust my numbers instead of seeing for themselves.

If WIPO wants to displace the USPTO as the gold standard then they will have to provide user-friendly data. Otherwise, Americans will continue to ignore WIPO and cite USPTO results.

The use of USPTO data is reasonable because the United States is the world's largest national economy at $14.3 trillion dollars. If you want to sell your product in the world's largest and most-competitive market then you will have to register your patent(s) here.

 

[Martian2]

I will keep an eye on the growing trend of U.S. companies using China-based researchers as a source of innovation and the basis for filing U.S. patents.

Microsoft Needs China: 6.5% of Its U.S. Patents Have Roots There | BNET Technology Blog | BNET

"Microsoft Needs China: 6.5% of Its U.S. Patents Have Roots There

By Erik Sherman | Feb 26, 2010

When looking at the Microsoft (MSFT) patent application for turning touch-screen mobile devices into graphics tablets for computers, I notice something interesting. The two listed inventors are both based in Beijing. That got me curious about how much research Microsoft has undertaken in China. The answer is well under 10 percent — small, and yet significant.

I base my conclusion strictly on patent applications and granted patents. First, I searched the database of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office for Microsoft patent applications where at least one inventor was based in China. The number was 1,173. The total number of patent applications Microsoft has on file is 18,085. So Chinese-based research contributes to roughly 6.5 percent of the company’s patent applications.

A bit more searching let me refine the results over time. The earliest Microsoft patent applications with an inventor in China came in 2001. Since 2005, Microsoft has had 13,020 total patent applications, of which 908, or 7 percent, include inventors in China. Since 2008, Microsoft has filed 2507 patent applications, 206, or 8.2 percent, had inventors in China. I didn’t go into 2009, as it takes upwards of 18 months for patent applications to become public and show up in the database.

I then looked at granted patents for which Microsoft filed the application since January 1, 2001; there were 9,936. Over the same period, about 5.7 percent, or 571, had inventors in China. Since 2005, 262 of the 4,022 patents granted to Microsoft, or about 6.5 percent, had inventors in China.

For Microsoft, China has clearly become a serious location for research — which may partially explain why the company has said that it’s fine with Bing operating in the country, even as Google (GOOG) has tried to make its “standoff” with Chinese authorities a positive PR move. Bing may have little search share in China, but Microsoft has some significant reasons to keep the locals happy.

Image composite by Erik Sherman."

 

[Martian2]

Foolish Korean electronics giant LG Display falsely accused Taiwan's AU Optronics of infringing four key patents in the manufacture of liquid crystal displays (i.e. LCDs). An U.S. court found that the opposite was true. Korean LG Display had infringed the four key patents that belonged to Taiwan's AU Optronics.

Total U.S. patents granted by the U.S.P.T.O. (i.e. U.S. Patent and Trademark Office) to Taiwan is a cumulative 94,579 patents. For South Korea, it is only 72,332 patents (See Patents By Country, State, and Year - All Patent Types (December 2009)). South Korean giants should think twice before they make false accusations against Taiwanese companies.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Patent-Infringement-LCD-HDTV-LG,news-6673.html

"LG Dispay LCDs May Be Banned Worldwide
6:50 PM - May 3, 2010 - By Kevin Parrish - Source : Tom's Guide US

A patent infringement case may block the sale of certain LG LCD panels.

ZoomComputerworld reports that Taiwan-based AU Optronics (AUO) is trying to halt the import and sale of LG Display LCD panels across the globe. If an injunction is successful, this could ultimately hurt consumers and their choice of LCD options, as LG currently commands over a quarter of the LCD panel market.

Over the past three and a half years, LG and AUO have been in a legal scuffle in regards to patents covering material and processes used in making LCD panels. Friday marked the end of the long, multifaceted battle, with AUO emerging as the winner based on LG's inability to prove that the rival company infringed on its LCD patents.

But in February AUO filed a counter-suit and won. Judge Joseph J. Farnan Jr. said in a 77-page verdict that AUO provided enough evidence to show that LG literally infringes on patents asserted by AUO--LG was unable to prove otherwise. Now AUO is warning consumers not to purchase "unauthorized infringing products from LG for sale or use in the U.S. without the need for further court action."

Computerworld said that LG may file further appeals or motions in its case, or it may reach a settlement with AUO that may prevent the possible ban of LG-based LCD screens. As it stands now, over the last six months, LG has shipped more LCD screens across the globe than any other LCD manufacturer. A cease in that kind of distribution could however allow lesser-known brands to step forward and fill the void."