China bulldozed India's security concerns as Russia looked the other way

[Windjammer]

BENAULIM (GOA): China blocked India's attempts to include the names of terror groups like JeM and LeT in the BRICS' Goa Declaration but what has hurt the government more, as sources said, is Russia's disinclination to argue India's case. The result, of course, was a declaration which failed to address India's core concern of the issue of state-sponsored terrorism.

What compounded the matter for India was Russia's recent military flirtation with Pakistan in the name of anti-terror exercise. In current global power play, Russia is seen increasingly as needing China more than the other way round, but Moscow's submission to the Chinese position on an issue related to India's security still has come as a revelation to the Indian authorities.

While Russia did not help India name-check JeM, which perpetrated both Pathankotand Uri attacks, in the Goa Declaration, it ensured that Syria-based Jabhat al-Nusra figured in it. As it seeks to bolster the Bashar al-Assad regime in Syria, Russia has continued to target al-Nusra, which it accuses of seeking a Caliphate through barbaric methods, in the country. Like the Nusra, JeM and LeT too are proscribed by the UN. Russia called for "relentless pursuit'' of al-Nusra in the declaration.

As strategic affairs expert Brahma Chellaney said, Moscow appeared willing to accommodate India's concerns in the Goa Declaration but, in the face of Chinese opposition, shied away from supporting India's case.

"The result was that the declaration failed to mention the most potent form of terrorism in the world, which is state-sponsored. And while citing groups like ISIS and al-Nusra, the declaration conveniently omitted any mention of the Pakistan-based organizations that the UN has designated as terrorist entities," he said, adding that the "anodyne" declaration called into question the utility of Brics for India.

With Russia doing precious little for India, China could shield Pakistani terrorism not only at the UN Security Council but also at a multilateral summit on Indian soil. In doing so, as Chellaney said, China rode roughshod over Indian concerns and showed itself culpable in the killing of 26 Indian soldiers at Uri and Pathankot.

While Russia itself has been the clear winner in terms of BRICS' focus on security related issues, China continues to call the shots on financial issues, leading to questions about the utility of Brics for India.

"China uses BRICS to advance its economic and political interests, including dominating the two financial mechanisms that the grouping has set up. But what does India get from BRICS?" said Chellaney.

"Goa showed that while China manages to get its own way, even at India's expense, Indian officials do little other than put on a brave face. Even earlier, when China secured the right instead of India to host the Brics' New Development Bank, Indian officials were left flaunting a consolation prize -- an Indian to be the Bank's first president," he added.


The Goa Declaration came just a day after President Vladimir Putin assured PM Narendra Modi in their summit meeting that Russia would do nothing to hurt India's interests. As MEA secretary Amar Sinha admitted, there was no consensus on naming Pakistan-based terror groups because other countries are not affected by their actions.

Moscow also had its full say on Syria as the declaration called upon all parties involved to work for a comprehensive and peaceful resolution of the conflict taking into account the legitimate aspirations of the people of Syria, through inclusive national dialogue and a Syrian-led political process.


"While continuing the relentless pursuit against terrorist groups so designated by the UN Security Council, including ISIL, Jabhat al-Nusra, and other terrorist organisations designated by the UN Security Council,'' said the declaration.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...looked-the-other-way/articleshow/54903013.cms

 

[Dil Pakistan]

BENAULIM (GOA): China blocked India's attempts to include the names of terror groups like JeM and LeT in the BRICS' Goa Declaration but what has hurt the government more, as sources said, is Russia's disinclination to argue India's case. The result, of course, was a declaration which failed to address India's core concern of the issue of state-sponsored terrorism.

What compounded the matter for India was Russia's recent military flirtation with Pakistan in the name of anti-terror exercise. In current global power play, Russia is seen increasingly as needing China more than the other way round, but Moscow's submission to the Chinese position on an issue related to India's security still has come as a revelation to the Indian authorities.

While Russia did not help India name-check JeM, which perpetrated both Pathankotand Uri attacks, in the Goa Declaration, it ensured that Syria-based Jabhat al-Nusra figured in it. As it seeks to bolster the Bashar al-Assad regime in Syria, Russia has continued to target al-Nusra, which it accuses of seeking a Caliphate through barbaric methods, in the country. Like the Nusra, JeM and LeT too are proscribed by the UN. Russia called for "relentless pursuit'' of al-Nusra in the declaration.

As strategic affairs expert Brahma Chellaney said, Moscow appeared willing to accommodate India's concerns in the Goa Declaration but, in the face of Chinese opposition, shied away from supporting India's case.

"The result was that the declaration failed to mention the most potent form of terrorism in the world, which is state-sponsored. And while citing groups like ISIS and al-Nusra, the declaration conveniently omitted any mention of the Pakistan-based organizations that the UN has designated as terrorist entities," he said, adding that the "anodyne" declaration called into question the utility of Brics for India.

With Russia doing precious little for India, China could shield Pakistani terrorism not only at the UN Security Council but also at a multilateral summit on Indian soil. In doing so, as Chellaney said, China rode roughshod over Indian concerns and showed itself culpable in the killing of 26 Indian soldiers at Uri and Pathankot.

While Russia itself has been the clear winner in terms of BRICS' focus on security related issues, China continues to call the shots on financial issues, leading to questions about the utility of Brics for India.

"China uses BRICS to advance its economic and political interests, including dominating the two financial mechanisms that the grouping has set up. But what does India get from BRICS?" said Chellaney.

"Goa showed that while China manages to get its own way, even at India's expense, Indian officials do little other than put on a brave face. Even earlier, when China secured the right instead of India to host the Brics' New Development Bank, Indian officials were left flaunting a consolation prize -- an Indian to be the Bank's first president," he added.


The Goa Declaration came just a day after President Vladimir Putin assured PM Narendra Modi in their summit meeting that Russia would do nothing to hurt India's interests. As MEA secretary Amar Sinha admitted, there was no consensus on naming Pakistan-based terror groups because other countries are not affected by their actions.

Moscow also had its full say on Syria as the declaration called upon all parties involved to work for a comprehensive and peaceful resolution of the conflict taking into account the legitimate aspirations of the people of Syria, through inclusive national dialogue and a Syrian-led political process.


"While continuing the relentless pursuit against terrorist groups so designated by the UN Security Council, including ISIL, Jabhat al-Nusra, and other terrorist organisations designated by the UN Security Council,'' said the declaration.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...looked-the-other-way/articleshow/54903013.cms

1). I don't think there is any submission of Russia to China.
In international relationships there is a hierarchy of countries. Therefore, when there is a Chinese interest then Russia will ignore India to favour China. But in other cases (e.g., Bangladesh) Russia will favour India rather than Bangladesh.

2). Russia is being cornered by West and USA and they need liquid cash; desperately. China can make sure, in more than one way, that Russia has liquid cash.

3). China is becoming more assertive. They have a huge problem to deal with in South China sea. That problem is also born out of USA but India has agreed to partner USA against China. This gives China a legitimate reason to corner India. In fact, India has shot itself in the foot.

 

[Syed Taha Wajahat]

But But But Moodi said we are isolated Hahahaha What an embarrassment that tea boy is for India. I mean any decent indian can find it true that comparing Moodi with previous govt shows how idiot he is. They had Kashmir under occupation without killing Wani and recent uprising after he got martyred,Congress tried nothing like that on such a big scale and had Kashmir under their control. Moodi is damaging india due to his extremist narrow minded thinking and dehati women like attitude He really acts like a very painful jealous over reacting girl friend.

 

[Hammad Arshad Qureshi]

BENAULIM (GOA): China blocked India's attempts to include the names of terror groups like JeM and LeT in the BRICS' Goa Declaration but what has hurt the government more, as sources said, is Russia's disinclination to argue India's case. The result, of course, was a declaration which failed to address India's core concern of the issue of state-sponsored terrorism.

What compounded the matter for India was Russia's recent military flirtation with Pakistan in the name of anti-terror exercise. In current global power play, Russia is seen increasingly as needing China more than the other way round, but Moscow's submission to the Chinese position on an issue related to India's security still has come as a revelation to the Indian authorities.
While Russia did not help India name-check JeM, which perpetrated both Pathankot and Uri attacks, in the Goa Declaration, it ensured that Syria-based Jabhat al-Nusra figured in it. As it seeks to bolster the Bashar al-Assad regime in Syria, Russia has continued to target al-Nusra, which it accuses of seeking a Caliphate through barbaric methods, in the country. Like the Nusra, JeM and LeT too are proscribed by the UN. Russia called for "relentless pursuit'' of al-Nusra in the declaration.

As strategic affairs expert Brahma Chellaney said, Moscow appeared willing to accommodate India's concerns in the Goa Declaration but, in the face of Chinese opposition, shied away from supporting India's case.

"The result was that the declaration failed to mention the most potent form of terrorism in the world, which is state-sponsored. And while citing groups like ISIS and al-Nusra, the declaration conveniently omitted any mention of the Pakistan-based organizations that the UN has designated as terrorist entities," he said, adding that the "anodyne" declaration called into question the utility of Brics for India.

With Russia doing precious little for India, China could shield Pakistani terrorism not only at the UN Security Council but also at a multilateral summit on Indian soil. In doing so, as Chellaney said, China rode roughshod over Indian concerns and showed itself culpable in the killing of 26 Indian soldiers at Uri and Pathankot.

While Russia itself has been the clear winner in terms of BRICS' focus on security related issues, China continues to call the shots on financial issues, leading to questions about the utility of Brics for India.

"China uses BRICS to advance its economic and political interests, including dominating the two financial mechanisms that the grouping has set up. But what does India get from BRICS?" said Chellaney.

"Goa showed that while China manages to get its own way, even at India's expense, Indian officials do little other than put on a brave face. Even earlier, when China secured the right instead of India to host the Brics' New Development Bank, Indian officials were left flaunting a consolation prize -- an Indian to be the Bank's first president," he added.

The Goa Declaration came just a day after President Vladimir Putin assured PM Narendra Modi in their summit meeting that Russia would do nothing to hurt India's interests. As MEA secretary Amar Sinha admitted, there was no consensus on naming Pakistan-based terror groups because other countries are not affected by their actions.

Moscow also had its full say on Syria as the declaration called upon all parties involved to work for a comprehensive and peaceful resolution of the conflict taking into account the legitimate aspirations of the people of Syria, through inclusive national dialogue and a Syrian-led political process.

"While continuing the relentless pursuit against terrorist groups so designated by the UN Security Council, including ISIL, Jabhat al-Nusra, and other terrorist organisations designated by the UN Security Council,'' said the declaration.
http://m.timesofindia.com/india/Chi...looked-the-other-way/articleshow/54903013.cms

 

[danger007]

But But But Moodi said we are isolated Hahahaha What an embarrassment that tea boy is for India. I mean any decent indian can find it true that comparing Moodi with previous govt shows how idiot he is. They had Kashmir under occupation without killing Wani and recent uprising after he got martyred,Congress tried nothing like that on such a big scale and had Kashmir under their control. Moodi is damaging india due to his extremist narrow minded thinking and dehati women like attitude He really acts like a very painful jealous over reacting girl friend.

Feeling happy over terror org? Hmm

 

[Hammad Arshad Qureshi]

So much for indian propaganda

 

[Windjammer]

1). I don't think there is any submission of Russia to China.
In international relationships there is a hierarchy of countries. Therefore, when there is a Chinese interest then Russia will ignore India to favour China. But in other cases (e.g., Bangladesh) Russia will favour India rather than Bangladesh.

2). Russia is being cornered by West and USA and they need liquid cash; desperately. China can make sure, in more than one way, that Russia has liquid cash.

3). China is becoming more assertive. They have a huge problem to deal with in South China sea. That problem is also born out of USA but India has agreed to partner USA against China. This gives China a legitimate reason to corner India. In fact, India has shot itself in the foot.

That may be true but argument here is how Russia also ignored India vis-a-vis Pakistan as India would have ideally liked Russia to name and shame Pakistan.

 

[Riz]

Feeling happy over terror org? Hmm

Correction , call it counter terror org

 

[Windjammer]

Correction , call it counter terror org

They can call it all the names to sooth their egos but the fact is India has been dished surgical slaps.

 

[Gibbs]

Hmmm.. Should be an eye opener to all the hyper jingoistic kids here on PDF on how real politik work.. China and Russia are the big boys in the global power game, Along with the US, Rest are all mere subordinates to these powers

 

[wiseone2]

BENAULIM (GOA): China blocked India's attempts to include the names of terror groups like JeM and LeT in the BRICS' Goa Declaration but what has hurt the government more, as sources said, is Russia's disinclination to argue India's case. The result, of course, was a declaration which failed to address India's core concern of the issue of state-sponsored terrorism.

What compounded the matter for India was Russia's recent military flirtation with Pakistan in the name of anti-terror exercise. In current global power play, Russia is seen increasingly as needing China more than the other way round, but Moscow's submission to the Chinese position on an issue related to India's security still has come as a revelation to the Indian authorities.
While Russia did not help India name-check JeM, which perpetrated both Pathankot and Uri attacks, in the Goa Declaration, it ensured that Syria-based Jabhat al-Nusra figured in it. As it seeks to bolster the Bashar al-Assad regime in Syria, Russia has continued to target al-Nusra, which it accuses of seeking a Caliphate through barbaric methods, in the country. Like the Nusra, JeM and LeT too are proscribed by the UN. Russia called for "relentless pursuit'' of al-Nusra in the declaration.

As strategic affairs expert Brahma Chellaney said, Moscow appeared willing to accommodate India's concerns in the Goa Declaration but, in the face of Chinese opposition, shied away from supporting India's case.

"The result was that the declaration failed to mention the most potent form of terrorism in the world, which is state-sponsored. And while citing groups like ISIS and al-Nusra, the declaration conveniently omitted any mention of the Pakistan-based organizations that the UN has designated as terrorist entities," he said, adding that the "anodyne" declaration called into question the utility of Brics for India.

With Russia doing precious little for India, China could shield Pakistani terrorism not only at the UN Security Council but also at a multilateral summit on Indian soil. In doing so, as Chellaney said, China rode roughshod over Indian concerns and showed itself culpable in the killing of 26 Indian soldiers at Uri and Pathankot.

While Russia itself has been the clear winner in terms of BRICS' focus on security related issues, China continues to call the shots on financial issues, leading to questions about the utility of Brics for India.

"China uses BRICS to advance its economic and political interests, including dominating the two financial mechanisms that the grouping has set up. But what does India get from BRICS?" said Chellaney.

"Goa showed that while China manages to get its own way, even at India's expense, Indian officials do little other than put on a brave face. Even earlier, when China secured the right instead of India to host the Brics' New Development Bank, Indian officials were left flaunting a consolation prize -- an Indian to be the Bank's first president," he added.

The Goa Declaration came just a day after President Vladimir Putin assured PM Narendra Modi in their summit meeting that Russia would do nothing to hurt India's interests. As MEA secretary Amar Sinha admitted, there was no consensus on naming Pakistan-based terror groups because other countries are not affected by their actions.

Moscow also had its full say on Syria as the declaration called upon all parties involved to work for a comprehensive and peaceful resolution of the conflict taking into account the legitimate aspirations of the people of Syria, through inclusive national dialogue and a Syrian-led political process.

"While continuing the relentless pursuit against terrorist groups so designated by the UN Security Council, including ISIL, Jabhat al-Nusra, and other terrorist organisations designated by the UN Security Council,'' said the declaration.
http://m.timesofindia.com/india/Chi...looked-the-other-way/articleshow/54903013.cms

BRICS is not a forum for terrorism
GOI attempts to make it one is a long shot

 

[Windjammer]

Hmmm.. Should be an eye opener to all the hyper jingoistic kids here on PDF on how real politik work.. China and Russia are the big boys in the global power game, Along with the US, Rest are all mere subordinates to these powers

Indeed there are super powers and then there are micro midgets, having a billion souls may make you an attractive market for commodities but you are irrelevant when it comes to world stage.

 

[Emmie]

BRICS is not a forum for terrorism

Shri Modi Jee doesn't seem to be in agreement with you and so do many Indian posters on this very forum.

Full text of PM speech -- http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/full...eech-at-brics-leaders-plenary-session-1474881

 

[idune]

india virtually got not one but 2 diplomatic slap and these are quite hard ones. Even after purchase of billions of Russia arms, Russia very much told Modi to you are insane. And China actually still slapping india all over the place and more to come. In international forum india will find itself in hard position.

Just look at, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi (L) gestures while talking with China's President Xi Jingping

China defends Pakistan after Premier Modi’s remarks

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi (L) gestures while talking with China's President Xi Jingping during the BRICS leaders' meeting with the BRICS Business Council at the Taj Exotica hotel in Goa on October 16, 2016. (Photo by AFP)

China moves to defend Pakistan after Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi accused Islamabad of nurturing terrorists and sponsoring cross-border terrorism.

Responding to a question about Modi's remarks, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying at a daily news briefing in Beijing on Monday defended Islamabad’s record in fighting terrorism.

"Everyone knows that India and Pakistan are victims of terrorism. Pakistan has made huge efforts and great sacrifices in fighting terrorism. I think the international community should respect this," Hua said, adding, "We also oppose the linking of terrorism to any specific country, ethnicity or religion. This is China's consistent position."

In unprecedented and harsh remarks during a meeting on Sunday of leaders from the BRICS group of countries, which also include Brazil, Russia, China and South Africa, in the western Indian state of Goa, Modi said India’s neighbor has become the main breeder of terror activities and branded Pakistan as ‘mother-ship of terrorism.’

“Tragically, the mother-ship of terrorism is a country in India's neighborhood,” Modi said without directly naming Pakistan.

In recent weeks, the Indian premier has stepped up his drive to isolate Pakistan by highlighting the country’s alleged role in sponsoring terrorism.

Tensions have escalated between nuclear arch-rivals India and Pakistan since 19 Indian soldiers were killed in a September 18 attack on Uri army base in Kashmir, near the disputed frontier with Pakistan. India accused Pakistan of carrying out the attack, which was the worst such assault in 14 years.

The attack on the Indian army base has triggered a war of words between the neighbors. India says the attackers were affiliated with a militant group based in Pakistan. Islamabad has rejected India's claims as "unfounded and premature."

India has long accused Pakistan of backing militant groups operating in Kashmir with Premier Modi accusing Pakistan of "exporting terrorism."

Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has accused India of engagement in an “unprecedented arms build-up” along the de facto border dividing Kashmir.

Kashmir has also witnessed an increase in mass protests over the killing of a pro-independence figure in early July. Tens of thousands of Indian government troops have been deployed to Indian-controlled Kashmir and over 80 people have lost their lives in the ensuing crackdown.

China has long been a strong military, economic and diplomatic supporter of Pakistan amid a border dispute between Beijing and New Delhi.

Last year, officials from Beijing and New Delhi pledged to settle the border dispute, which dates back to a brief border war in 1962.

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/10/17/489479/Pakistan-India-China--Modi-BRICS--Uri

 

[wiseone2]

Shri Modi Jee doesn't seem to be in agreement with you and so do many Indian posters on this very forum.

Full text of PM speech -- http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/full...eech-at-brics-leaders-plenary-session-1474881

it will be the same results if Pakistani PM tries to raise a Kashmir issue in a meaningful forum

Indeed there are super powers and then there are micro midgets, having a billion souls may make you an attractive market for commodities but you are irrelevant when it comes to world stage.

Since 1990 India is in the process of sustained economic drive. It is not over. It will continue for decades to come.