China and India : Brothers at Odds Who Shared the Same Destiny?

[Aepsilons]

Couldn't have explained better myself.

Just to add a few points,

1. It is illegal to practice caste system and it's discriminatory practices in India. Such practices are immediate grounds for incarceration.

2. To correct for the past wrongs, GoI has allowed for affirmative action in form of reservations upto 50% in schools, colleges and public sector jobs.

3. Most countries have had discrimination in less enlightened times of history. It was a collective failing of humanity not one particular country or community.

4. Basis for discrimination is often times economic - religion is just used to make such discrimination more acceptable to conscience.

5. Caste System is just another name for discrimination.

Precisely.

For example, I have a friend who was a classmate of mine back in UC Berkely while i was working on my Masters for Neuroscience and cognitive psychology (I did a dual masters program ), my friend who is of the Jain religion, was working on his Masters in Pharmacology. He eventually would go into University of Pennsylvania and finished his PHD in Pharmacology, specializing in Formulary Science. Anyways, he is the CEO of a bio pharmaceuticals company headquartered in Philadelphia. He is friends with Indians of all kinds of religious background: Christian, Muslim, Jain, Hindu, Atheist etc.

I don't think ANY of my Indian friends who I associate with on a personal and academic / professional level allow religious beliefs to affect them to accept very narrow minded thinking.

I've a lot of Indian friends and from my understanding there is a difference between religion and politics and social life. I think it is just unfortunate that some people have and continue to propagate very false and erroneous generalizations about a country as large as India. Malaysia is not even equal in population to the state of Kerala. To put it to perspective.

 

[Spectre]

Precisely.

For example, I have a friend who was a classmate of mine back in UC Berkely while i was working on my Masters for Neuroscience and cognitive psychology (I did a dual masters program ), my friend who is of the Jain religion, was working on his Masters in Pharmacology. He eventually would go into University of Pennsylvania and finished his PHD in Pharmacology, specializing in Formulary Science. Anyways, he is the CEO of a bio pharmaceuticals company headquartered in Philadelphia. He is friends with Indians of all kinds of religious background: Christian, Muslim, Jain, Hindu, Atheist etc.

I don't think ANY of my Indian friends who I associate with on a personal and academic / professional level allow religious beliefs to affect them to accept very narrow minded thinking.

I've a lot of Indian friends and from my understanding there is a difference between religion and politics and social life. I think it is just unfortunate that some people have and continue to propagate very false and erroneous generalizations about a country as large as India. Malaysia is not even equal in population to the state of Kerala. To put it to perspective.

It can be argued that anecdotal evidences are useless - to counter precisely such an argument I highlighted irrespective of individual preferences - the government and executive branch does not allow for any caste based discrimination.

One might be a rabid proponent of caste system, as long as state does not sponsor his views it does not matter one bit. Furthermore state allows executive to arrest such a person if his preferences translate into real world.

 

[Nan Yang]

Couldn't have explained better myself.

Just to add a few points,

1. It is illegal to practice caste system and it's discriminatory practices in India. Such practices are immediate grounds for incarceration.

2. To correct for the past wrongs, GoI has allowed for affirmative action in form of reservations upto 50% in schools, colleges and public sector jobs.

3. Most countries have had discrimination in less enlightened times of history. It was a collective failing of humanity not one particular country or community.

4. Basis for discrimination is often times economic - religion is just used to make such discrimination more acceptable to conscience.

5. Caste System is just another name for discrimination.

Discrimination within the same ethnic race and culture ?

 

[Zhang Fan]

And you conveniently ignore that orientals are regarded as inferior in Indian caste system. The China India relationship is beyond Border conflicts or political situations. There is a racism angle from the Hindu side as well.

Holy Crap!! this is the best part ever!!indians are trying to be a bunch of racists!!,is there anything more ironically hilarious than that?

Talk about adopting western ways so be happy chinese guy you have new master now(western world). You are their third world factory to make cheap products.

I'm sorry,your version of mocking against China is way outdated! that era of China making pants and socks for western world has been over,and ironically,when China is entering its brand new era of high quality growth nowadays,India is still struggling to embark on the overture of China's old track dating back to late 1980s

 

[Dungeness]

How absurd; their caste system is uniquely part of their religion. And as from i have studied and from my exchanges with Indian academics, the caste system is but a trivial aperture since there are forms wherein people may rise despite their caste. If I may make an example the current Prime Minister of India: Narendra Modi-Ji. He is of the Ghanchi (Vaishyas) caste, definitely not high such as Brahmin, however, he was able to rise as Prime Minister of India; the most powerful position in the land.

In India, one can rise from whatever caste. So long as one has education.

Lastly, why do you put down on India's own unique social order when your own country, Malaysia, has its own version such as the Bumiputra? I believe it is important for you , as a Malaysian, to focus on the problems of your own country, first, before you look at the issues of other peoples' countries.

The old adage of, "Tend to your village first before you look at the next village over," comes to mind.

Regards.

Are you endorsing caste system, or I got it wrong? In the history of mankind, many crimes have been committed in the name of religion. I am sure you know that, my friend. Also, just because Mr. Modi is from lower caste, dosen't automatically mean "In India, one can rise from whatever caste. So long as one has education."

Precisely.

For example, I have a friend who was a classmate of mine back in UC Berkely while i was working on my Masters for Neuroscience and cognitive psychology (I did a dual masters program ), my friend who is of the Jain religion, was working on his Masters in Pharmacology. He eventually would go into University of Pennsylvania and finished his PHD in Pharmacology, specializing in Formulary Science. Anyways, he is the CEO of a bio pharmaceuticals company headquartered in Philadelphia. He is friends with Indians of all kinds of religious background: Christian, Muslim, Jain, Hindu, Atheist etc.

I don't think ANY of my Indian friends who I associate with on a personal and academic / professional level allow religious beliefs to affect them to accept very narrow minded thinking.

I've a lot of Indian friends and from my understanding there is a difference between religion and politics and social life. I think it is just unfortunate that some people have and continue to propagate very false and erroneous generalizations about a country as large as India. Malaysia is not even equal in population to the state of Kerala. To put it to perspective.

Knowing elite and lucky few in America doesn't mean you have good idea of what Indian society is like, and they are much less representative than indian community in Mylaysia, "to put it to perspective".

 

[AndrewJin]

Are you endorsing caste system, or I got it wrong? In the history of mankind, many crimes have been committed in the name of religion. I am sure you know that, my friend. Also, just because Mr. Modi is from lower caste, dosen't automatically mean "In India, one can rise from whatever caste. So long as one has education."

He is being politically correct. I don't think he thinks like that in his heart.

 

[Dungeness]

He is being politically correct. I don't think he thinks like that in his heart.

He is trying to put a positive spin on a practice that is unlawful in Indian constitution. Doubt it is about PC.

 

[rott]

Yep we never even talk about India really.

The hysteria is completely one-sided.

Once I believed there might be some similarities between China and India, since we are both 1+ billion populations who have suffered heavily at the hands of the Western powers in the past.

The difference is that despite this past, India seems to be completely enamoured with anything Western/white. According to global polls India is the most pro-American population in Asia, apart from the Philippines.

Also, think about this:

Western media stories about India: Poverty/Caste/Rape

Chinese media stories about India: Economy/Culture/BRICS

Yet they still behave completely slavishly towards the West as if they are holy. I don't believe there is any universe in which India would side with a fellow Asian country instead of the West, they would choose the latter every time.

It seems to be a leftover of history, hence their extremely negative behavior towards China/Pakistan and their fawning behavior towards anything Western. You can see their behavior towards Northeast Indians who are also not ethnically white.

Bro, you do know why they use the whitening cream.

 

[rott]

No worries, this is a trollish forum.

Long time, bro. Been busy?

 

[Nan Yang]

He is being politically correct. I don't think he thinks like that in his heart.

Maybe when he wears a mask will his true personality be revealed.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

I am considered “Kshatriya” in India，so I was told.

 

[Abotani]

I am considered “Kshatriya” in India，so I was told.

Whoever told you that was lying through his teeth.In Hindu religion,all unbelievers maybe apart from white caucasians automatically qualify for the dalit/low caste status.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Whoever told you that was lying through his teeth.In Hindu religion,all unbelievers maybe apart from white caucasians automatically qualify for the dalit/low caste status.

but I'm really fare skined, whiter than most indians actually.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

I am considered “Kshatriya” in India，so I was told.

You converted to Hindusim?

I hope other Chinese members here do not consider you a Hanjian for that.

 

[Abotani]

but I'm really fare skined, whiter than most indians actually.

Doesn't matter.As long as you don't look white by your facial structure,you are a low caste.A tad better than a dark skin person but a low caste nonetheless.
After all,almost every person in the Hill regions of NE is fairer but we are low caste as well.Even if we are not Hindu.