China and India : Brothers at Odds Who Shared the Same Destiny?

[Abotani]

Oh no. not going down that line with you. Thats just meaningless waste of time, considering your prejudice. You are free to draw your own conclusions.
BTW, you are free to pack your bags and leave, and see if they spoon feed you just because you happen to belong to some tribe.

Who said anything about lying ? You specifically told me, NE is being given a step brotherly treatment. I gave you sources to prove otherwise. Why dont you go through them ?

What kind of idiot thinks development is uniform across all the territories ? Cities and centers of trade are more developed.
Why do you think, coastal regions of China are more developed than the inner regions or the Western parts ? Answer me that.

So when I ask you for proof all you do is turn tail and make excuses?
I didn't ask about NE investments but what you know about my people as you were preaching " I know about them too".Which year the great Indian patchwork of a union decided to hold dummy elections in a region it occupied.But of course no answer and just huff and puff and bluster.

Only an idiot will think lack of even mud roads and four lane highways in mainland is "equitable development".
Those links are just for photo ops and those words wouldn't be worth the paper they are printed on.Most of the funds are announced and then cancelled a few months later.Once the Indians have siphoned off enough to fill their black accounts i.e,.Even after that most of these funds go for building mundane useless things which have almosst no effect improving the region.
But then 82 iq and "save honour" mentality at work again.

 

[nForce]

So when I ask you for proof all you do is turn tail and make excuses?
I didn't ask about NE investments but what you know about my people as you were preaching " I know about them too".Which year the great Indian patchwork of a union decided to hold dummy elections in a region it occupied.But of course no answer and just huff and puff and bluster.

Only an idiot will think lack of even mud roads and four lane highways in mainland is "equitable development".
Those links are just for photo ops and those words wouldn't be worth the paper they are printed on.Most of the funds are announced and then cancelled a few months later.Once the Indians have siphoned off enough to fill their black accounts i.e,.Even after that most of these funds go for building mundane useless things which have almosst no effect improving the region.
But then 82 iq and "save honour" mentality at work again.

As I said, you are free to draw your conclusions. Of course you will not work hard like the Assamese do and blame it upon the center. What makes the center ? Dont you have a responsibility and a part there too ? No, you just decided to take the easier way out, which is whine and cry about it, sit on your *** and do nothing. It's because of people like you that you manage to get areas neglected.

 

[Abotani]

How dare you bring facts into the discussion

Funny thing is despite India's specific policy to keep NE backward, NE states have higher quality of life than India average of 0.575 for 2005.

Here 2005 HDI values for NE states

Arunachal Pradesh : 0.617
Assam : 0.534
Manipur : 0.707
Meghalaya : 0.585
Mizoram : 0.790
Nagaland: 0.770
Sikkim : 0.684

With the exception of Assam every other NE state has higher HDI than India avarge.

Some other interesting fun facts.
Urban Arunchal Pradesh highest HDI all over urban India at 0.877
Urban Mizoram 2nd highest HDI all over urban India at 0.872
Rural Nagaland 4th highest HDI all over rural India at 0.750

Certainly good level of development for rural NE region will make NE people have highest standards of living on an average

Sure blame the fruits of our labour,social cohesion and egalitarian mentality and virtue of low population density as good work done by Indians.Clap Clap for Indian lying through the teeth.The High HDI is mostly due to the lack of social evils like caste system,dowry and a society which stresses on equitable distribution of wealth.

Your stats just prove my point that NE people(hill states) are more hard working,virtuous than Indians and yet Indians have this pre conceived idea that they are better than us.Talk about shooting yourself in the gut.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

As I said, you are free to draw your conclusions. Of course you will not work hard like the Assamese do and blame it upon the center. What makes the center ? Dont you have a responsibility and a part there too ? No, you just decided to take the easier way out, which is whine and cry about it, sit on your *** and do nothing. It's because of people like you that you manage to get areas neglected.

@Abotani had made up his mind.

His tribe has been at the receiving end of Tibetan elite from the other side of the border at some point in history.
Hence Chinese atrocities against Tibetan elite for him is like divine justice from his Knight in shining Armour.
Rest of it his post about his people being damsels in distress, completed delusional of the fact him being a of non-Han ethnicity, social integration will as challenging as Tibet or Xinjiang.

His solution is Chinese take over of Arunahcal Pradesh, irrespective of what an average Arunachal Pradeshi thinks.

People like him seem to forget states in India like states like Gujarat, Kerala, Tamil Nadu and AP developed because of its visionary leaders, not the center.

 

[nForce]

Sure blame the fruits of our labour,social cohesion and egalitarian mentality and virtue of low population density as good work done by Indians.Clap Clap for Indian lying through the teeth.The High HDI is mostly due to the lack of social evils like caste system,dowry and a society which stresses on equitable distribution of wealth.

Your stats just prove my point that NE people(hill states) are more hard working,virtuous than Indians and yet Indians have this pre conceived idea that they are better than us.Talk about shooting yourself in the gut.

You cannot talk authoritatively about the NE as a whole. It is diverse and not all of them subscribe to your point of view.

 

[Abotani]

As I said, you are free to draw your conclusions. Of course you will not work hard like the Assamese do and blame it upon the center. What makes the center ? Dont you have a responsibility and a part there too ? No, you just decided to take the easier way out, which is whine and cry about it, sit on your *** and do nothing. It's because of people like you that you manage to get areas neglected.

Yeah right.The Assamese who have less than half of our per capita GDP and are employed by us.Sure.Just goes to show your level of knowledge on NE.All over NE Assamese are seen akin to bangladeshis.Blood sucking lazy leechers and here you are praising them.
What will we do eh?Build multi billion airports witha GDP of 2-2.5 billion?or Build road network of thousand and tens of thousands of km with a per capita GDP that is just 15-20% higher than Indian average.

Talk about cop outs and blame the victim mentality.No wonder where the Indian mentality of blaming victims as responsible for their misery comes from.If remote regions with a low tax base due to population scarcity can't finance their budgets it is their fault?Gee! 82 iq at work again!

You cannot talk authoritatively about the NE as a whole. It is diverse and not all of them subscribe to your point of view.

Yea and you can talk about it as a whole because you are an Indian?The umpteen freedom struggles in now7 out of 8 NE states should illustrate which side NE people bend towards particularly the Hill states i.e, not for Indians.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Sure blame the fruits of our labour,social cohesion and egalitarian mentality and virtue of low population density as good work done by Indians.Clap Clap for Indian lying through the teeth.The High HDI is mostly due to the lack of social evils like caste system,dowry and a society which stresses on equitable distribution of wealth.

Your stats just prove my point that NE people(hill states) are more hard working,virtuous than Indians and yet Indians have this pre conceived idea that they are better than us.Talk about shooting yourself in the gut.

Finally the stage of cognitive dissonance opens ups

First claim no development in NE, because India keeps the region backward.

When proved false, claim development in NE is because of some supreme cultural values of NE hill people.

I am impressed atleast unlike the Chinese you did not declare my sources as false , Kudos to that

@Dungeness , I was under the false assumption that you maybe among the rare Chinese who do not endorse racism, but thank you for proving me wrong

But then 82 iq and "save honour" mentality at work again.

.If remote regions with a low tax base due to population scarcity can't finance their budgets it is their fault?Gee 82 iq at work again

@Icarus @Hu Songshan @waz

 

[Abotani]

Finally the stage of cognitive dissonance opens ups

First whine no development in NE, because India keeps the region backward.

When proved false, claim development in NE is because of some supreme cultural values of NE hill people.

I am impressed however unlike the Chinese you did not declare my sources as false , Kudos to that

LOL,Comprehension issues at work again.I stated that the HDI of NE is due to it's egalitarian society and low population density.What that means is there are fewer people competing over the same resources and hence a higher amount of resources available per capita.You know lesser mouths to feed so more in everyone's plate.
An important component of HDI is the quality of life,particularly social life.It is here that our egalitarian society devoid of many of the ills that plague India jumps ahead.Want to marry someone of your choice?In NE hill regions that is the norm but in India one risks death even on such a small matter.Want to marry yet can't pay the dowry?NE people-" what is dowry?"Indians-"Our son is well employed.Give us a dowry of 5 digits in dollars or 6 digits or maybe even millions.This is a tradition".You are a girl and want to study?NE-'the question doesn't arise at all.Go get educated'.Indian-"Learn to cook and wash clothes.Education is for men"And on and on...Sigh my fingers will get hurt
Somehow you try to construct as if these things are a virtue of Indian colonialism.That you "civilised" us ( irony for you lot are not really that civilised)Then you further make the mistake of assuming that the HDI we have is due to wealth or infrastructure available.Au contraire.

If wealth and physical development was all that took for a High HDI.Saudi Arabia and themid east oil monarchs and mullahs would have higher HDI than even western Europe.
But then comprehension issues at work again.

All of this despite Chinese supported armed insurgency in the region.

@Hu Songshan
The member is making baseless accusations against a nation for the intents of trolling and derailing the thread.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

@Hu Songshan
The member is making baseless accusations against a nation for the intents of trolling and derailing the thread.

First engage in lies, than jump to blatant racism.

Finally accusing otherside of falsehood, when evidence to prove otherwise does not exist

Chinese support goes back to for NE militancy goes to back to 1960s using East Pakistan as ground base.

Current Chinese support is limited to supply Chinese arms to NE militants.

NE militants smuggle Chinese arms into India through Myanmar | india | Hindustan Times

 

[Abotani]

First engage in lies, than jump to blatant racism.

Finally accusing of falsehood, when evidence to prove otherwise does not exist

Chinese support goes back to for NE militancy goes to back to 1960s using East Pakistan as ground base.

Current Chinese support is limited to supply Chinese arms to NE militants.

NE militants smuggle Chinese arms into India through Myanmar | india | Hindustan Times

Sure post some random pic and lie through your teeth.PRC never supported freedom fighters in NE.If it did NE would long have been independent.Even the Pic you posted talks about Pakistani support and has mindless ramblings with no substantiation on Chinese involvement.Talk about trolling and lying.
@Hu Songshan @Horus @Oscar @Icarus @waz
Even the help that came in 20th century was mostly from individuals in the west,mostly in form of moral support.Maybe some material support by western intel agencies after India sided in the soviet camp.

The presence of Chinese manufactured arms is due to the fact that chinese arms are affordable and of good quality.
Some elite units among them even have ISraeli,american and european origin arms.Somehow Indians like you don't see that as western support but chinese support.Talk about white slave mentality.The freedom fighters in NE don't even touch Indian manufactured arms like INSAS as they are too low quality for use in serious war.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Sure post some random pic and lie through your teeth.PRC never supported freedom fighters in NE.If it did NE would long have been independent.Even the Pic you posted talks about Pakistani support and doesn't even hint towards Chinese involvement.Talk about trolling and lying.@Hu Songshan Sir
Even the help that came in 20th century was mostly from individuals in the west,mostly in form of moral support.Maybe some material support by western intel agencies after India sided in the soviet camp.

That "random pic" happens to be declassified American diplomatic cable from Rawalpindi Embassy.

In case you could find the Chinese reference, please find the paragraph eight, or should I highlight that with MS paint

Pakistan: Partition and Military Succession

Direct support for NE militancy through China is not possible because of the terrain, which is further vindicated by the fact in 1962, China had logistic difficulties resupplying its troops on the NE theater.

Hence Chinese have to use states with geographic proximity like East Pakistan and Myanmar.

Funny thing, I see no Chinese complain about this with such zeal

The presence of Chinese manufactured arms is due to the fact that chinese arms are affordable and of good quality.
Some elite units among them even have ISraeli,american and european origin arms.Somehow Indians like you don't see that as western support but chinese support.Talk about white slave mentality.The freedom fighters in NE don't even touch Indian manufactured arms like INSAS as they are too low quality for use in serious war.

No proof , just rants and personal attacks

You must have some serious nerve that you think people around you are foolish enough to believe that some insurgent is going bother quality of rifle.

What next NE militants have rifle tenders advertised to choose the best quality rifle from? and run live trials as well

An insurgent will only bother about the supply.

I am impressed another post from you with no racial insults.

 

[Abotani]

That "random pic" happens to be declassified American diplomatic cable from Rawalpindi Embassy.

In case you could find the Chinese reference, please find the paragraph eight, or should I highlight that with MS paint

Pakistan: Partition and Military Succession

Funny thing, I see no Chinese complain about this with such zeal


No proof , just rants and personal attacks

You must have some serious nerve that you think people around you are foolish enough to believe that some insurgent is going bother quality of rifle.

What next NE militants have rifle tenders advertised to choose the best quality rifle from?

Finally doing justice to Chinese comrades here

Sure,Where in my entire post did you see a personal attack.But in this same post I have quoted of yours I can see personal attacks and rants.
So a hardcore freedom soldier who fights guerilla warfare isn't going to be bothered about the quality of his primary firearm on which his life and that of his squad depends?That we don't have population base of hundreds of millions of uneducated,malnourished who would throw away their lives for a few dollars makes the leaders of these armies extra careful when choosing their equipment.These groups even issues modern body armour and NVG and other related equipment to their regular cadres.Compared to Indian army which has crappy rifles that leak oil and sub standard make for 500 dollar "rifles" and of course no body armour for every Individual combatant but sharing the few armour pieces amongst a squad.

It is not my fault that you take my statement of statistically verifiable facts as "racism" just because your ego can't take it

Not everyone has Indian work efficiency you know-Taking multiple years and tenders to select basic equipment and then cancelling the tenders to float other ones for the same requirement

 

[CHN Bamboo]

Nah,that speed is likely from some indian mega city.Like all Indians,the esteemed member couldn't help but turn it into a contest to soothe his ego by comparing a remote mountain region of PRC to a city in Indian mainland.

In China the price of 10M=100M..
About 6 year ago,my father's brother(live in mountain) have 6M.I think they have chosen a better one now(because most have 100M now).

 

[Fattyacids]

Long time, bro. Been busy?

How u doing, Bro. Whenever you're here, I'm not. And vice versa.

 

[Abotani]

Pakistan: Partition and Military Succession

Direct support for NE militancy through China is not possible because of the terrain, which is further vindicated by the fact in 1962, China had logistic difficulties resupplying its troops on the NE theater.

Hence Chinese have to use states with geographic proximity like East Pakistan and Myanmar.

Editing posts way after posting them to make up for the lack in your arguments.EH?
Are you on this forum just to troll?Why couldn't PRC supply NE freedom fighters through it's own borders?After all supplying just arms and ammo (basic firearms and grenades) for a few thousand cadres of freedom fighters is a piece of cake when compared to handling the complete logistics and resupply of 80,000 troops rushed in from different parts of China.

Or do you not really get this difference of the magnitude of two different tasks?
Even then,back then Burma was in PRC's camp completely.Why not use that route but the Pakistani route when relations between PRC and Islamic Republic of Pakistan hadn't reached the present zenith?Why take the risk of routing them through SCS,Indian ocean and then East Pakistan when the job could be done much more efficiently through Burma back then,particularly considering even then most arms of the NE freedom fighters were transported through Burma?

The flaws in your manufactured narrative are far too obvious.

In China the price of 10M=100M..
About 6 year ago,my father's brother(live in mountain) have 6M.I think they have chosen a better one now(because most have 100M now).

LOL.Just shows how far apart the two nations are.In the mountainous regions of NE,most of the time,you won't get a connection for a voice call let alone an internet connection.