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Russia is selling China high performance aircraft as an answer to America’s actions around Asia, Conn Hallinan from Foreign Policy in Focus, told RT.
Beijing has signed a deal with Moscow for Sukhoi fighter jets. China will buy 24 cutting-edge SU-35s. China is the first foreign sale of the multipurpose aircraft.

RT: Officials from Beijing were first shown the fighter jet seven years ago at an air show in China. What do you think is behind the timing of the decision to buy these planes?

Dr. Conn Hallinnan: Well, it is not exactly the same fighter jet. They took the old Su-35, which I believe the NATO designation was Flanker, and they essentially redesigned it. So it is faster, it has got longer range, more capabilities and can carry more ordinance, etc. I think it is very much a kind of an answer…

President Obama was in Asia recently, and he announced $250 million to various countries in South East Asia: Indonesia, Japan, the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia to buy and get American military hardware. And I think that the announcement of this sale is sort of the counter. In other words, if you give all the stuff to your potential allies, then what we’re doing is giving one of our high performance aircraft - interceptors and fighter bombers - to China. It’s sort of an answer to the US F-35 moving to Asia and the SU-35 is a good match for the F-35.

RT: What message could this send to China's rivals in the region, particularly Japan?

Dr. CH: I think that Japan yes, but I also think there is South Korean, there is Australia. What is happening here is the Chinese have been pushing very hard in the South China Sea, a little too hard in my opinion; I think they’ve stirred up unnecessary antagonism. But what they are responding to… is the fact that they look around, and what they see is that from India to South Korea and Japan the US has ringed them with potential adversaries. And this purchase of the Sukhoi is an answer to that. The SU-35 is better than anything right now in the Chinese air force. It is faster than the F-35, and it has got greater range than the F-35; it’s more flexible in terms of what it can do; it doesn’t have stealth capacity, but stealth capacity is overrated in any case.

RT: As you said Washington is planning to boost its presence in the Asia-Pacific with the latest generation of aircraft and warships within the next few years. What reaction can we expect from the US now?

Dr. CH: I suspect what you are going to see is a sort of a pushback. I think that Russia is in part doing that in Syria, and I think the Chinese are doing it in the South China Sea, and to a certain extent in South Asia... The US has been pushing, and I think you’re going to see the Russians and the Chinese begin to push back a little bit more. We hope, of course, this doesn’t get into a serious phase. I’m always nervous when you have high-performance aircraft that have the potential to start an incident

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SU-35 © Vladimir Voskresensky / Sputnik
What this very much is is China and Russia’s answer to the past two decades: NATO moving Eastward, the Georgia war, the Yugoslav war, the attempt at a Ukraine coup, an attempt to overthrow the Assad regime in Syria, and at the same time a lot of US pressure in the Philippines, Japan, Vietnam, etc. sort of bumping up against the Chinese. What you seeing here is a kind of a worldwide picture – it is not really derestricted to the Asian Pacific region.

RT: We also know that China is developing its own fifth-generation fighter jet, the Chengdu J-20. Do you expect the country to continue to buy Russian military hardware in the future, or they will go with their own?

Dr. CH: I think it is actually in the interest of the Chinese to do so. In other words, the Chinese are developing their own aircraft, but the SU-35 is a relatively inexpensive airplane – it is only something like $63-65 million apiece. You compare that to something like the F-35 which is between $98 million and about $110 million apiece. It is a pretty good deal for China. Also China is putting a lot of their resources at this point into their maritime forces and they are expensive. So if you can get an airplane that is a solid airplane, easy to maintain, has good capabilities for pretty much bargain basement prices it’d be silly not to take it.
 
LOL now who is big joke? The point is when you claim super fighter and one fighter J10B can beat and superior to all available 4 gen fighters like Sukois rafale F15 etc, when your big mouthed defence experts says J20 and J31 is the best attack 5th gen fighter available why could they need mere number of 24 su35? You just give me one good reason why u are buying 24 Su 35? For fun

Or like some moron said that it's for aggressor squadrons. What a joke. So su35 is for aggressor squadron and j11 j20 j10 are for kissing and cuddling squadron?

I think you are unnecessarily aggressive and dismissive.

There are many plausible reasons why Su 35 were bought, some being:

  1. To get hold of engines.
  2. To compensate for the lack of enough production capacity to produce J11 etc. (China has limited production capacity, which can be augmented by buying from abroad)
  3. A hidden tacit quid pro quo kind of deal. (Russians want to sell Su 35 desperately, and if China were to be a customer, it will dramatically raise the profile of the jet. Maybe they had a deal with the Chinese, that they will help China with engine tech, in exchange of support for weapon purchases)
 
China has no need for Russian radar, avionics, and weapons. I'll post some evidence to support this.

L-15 has PESA.

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J-10B/C has shown both PESA and AESA.

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J-11D has AESA.

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J-20 has shown a dedicated AESA Tu-204C testbed.

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The Su-30MKK has been shown to carry a Chinese KG600 pod. This indicates a willingness to swap out Russian avionics in favor of Chinese. This would not happen if Russian avionics were superior.

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The Su-30MK2 has been shown carrying PL-12. Once again, this indicates a willingness to swap out Russian avionics in favor of Chinese. This would not happen if Russian avionics were superior.

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A Su-35 without modifications most likely cannot datalink with the brand new KJ-500 AEW&C aircraft.

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The PL-15 is good enough to worry the U.S. Air Force. Gen. Herbert Carlisle has openly expressed concern regarding this missile. A Su-35 without modifications most likely cannot use the PL-15.

The New Chinese Missile That Has the U.S. Air Force Spooked - The Daily Beast

So how in the world do we explain this ridiculous Su-35 purchase?

I'm not saying the Su-35 deal didn't happen. I'm just saying it doesn't make any sense to me, especially considering the steep price tag of $83 million per aircraft. There has to be something else about this deal we're not seeing.
 
LOL now who is big joke? The point is when you claim super fighter and one fighter J10B can beat and superior to all available 4 gen fighters like Sukois rafale F15 etc, when your big mouthed defence experts says J20 and J31 is the best attack 5th gen fighter available why could they need mere number of 24 su35? You just give me one good reason why u are buying 24 Su 35? For fun
Indian ! Give me the post link when & who say that in PDF ? Is the words from ur mouth, or Are you just jealous of Chinese JF-17/J-10A/J-10B/J-11B/J-11D/J-15/J-16/J-20/J-31 doing better than ur LCA ? :lol: show me .


Or like some moron said that it's for aggressor squadrons. What a joke. So su35 is for aggressor squadron and j11 j20 j10 are for kissing and cuddling squadron?
Why not ? Su-35 in aggressor squadron this plan sounds very good ... 24x Su-35 vs J-11B/D、J-10A/B、J-15、J-20. As far as i knew current PLAAF aggressor squadron using J-11 and Su-30mkk as the "Enemy", Su-35 is good enough to train our fighter pilots.
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Russian official news report Sino-Russia Su-35 deal, 2016 next year delivery first Su-35 fighter to China
MOSCOW, November 20. /TASS/. The first batch of Russia’s Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets will be supplied to China in 2016, a source in the system of military and technical cooperation told TASS on Friday.

"The first fighter jets will arrive for China in 2016," the source said.

It was reported on Thursday that Russia had signed a contract on the delivery of 24 Su-35 fighter jets to China. The deal is estimated at no less than $2 billion and also envisages the delivery of ground support equipment and reserve aircraft engines.

A source in the system of military and technical cooperation told TASS earlier on Friday that the contract would be implemented over the next there years.
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Russian official news report Sino-Russia Su-35 deal, 2016 next year delivery first Su-35 fighter to China
MOSCOW, November 20. /TASS/. The first batch of Russia’s Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets will be supplied to China in 2016, a source in the system of military and technical cooperation told TASS on Friday.

"The first fighter jets will arrive for China in 2016," the source said.

It was reported on Thursday that Russia had signed a contract on the delivery of 24 Su-35 fighter jets to China. The deal is estimated at no less than $2 billion and also envisages the delivery of ground support equipment and reserve aircraft engines.

A source in the system of military and technical cooperation told TASS earlier on Friday that the contract would be implemented over the next there years.
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SO I am wrong and right.
First I guess delivery during 2018- 2020. But I admit I am wrong and make a guess China ordered 24 as small order for fast delivery, likely at the end of 2016 or early in 2017.
The time F35 coming to JAPAN.

And there will be order for next batch.
 
SO I am wrong and right.
First I guess delivery during 2018- 2020. But I admit I am wrong and make a guess China ordered 24 as small order for fast delivery, likely at the end of 2016 or early in 2017.
The time F35 coming to JAPAN.

And there will be order for next batch.
The time F35 coming to JAPAN, J-20A serving in PLAAF, that time will be 800+ 4gen~5gen fighters in 2017 China, that's my answer to u. Mr Leio don't talk groundless words in PDF.
 
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The time F35 coming to JAPAN, J-20A serving in PLAAF, that time will be 800+ 4gen~5gen fighters in 2017 China, that's my answer to u. Mr Leio don't talk groundless words in PDF.


Is 24 not a very low number, compared to the size of China and the threat ? Why not 50 ? China has a strong economy and lacks not in resources and funds.
 
Is 24 not a very low number, compared to the size of China and the threat ? Why not 50 ? China has a strong economy and lacks not in resources and funds.
Su-35 is not the necessary for China, and Russia only provide 10x Su-35 per year to China during 2016-2018 coz they also need produce new Su-35 for Russia Airforce and other customers. I had said China ordered 117S jet engines more than numbers of Su-35 ... Su-35 isn't the importance in this deal. U should read TASS news carefully there's a unknown amount of reserve aircraft engines inside this deal, that's what China want.
 
Su-35 is not the necessary for China, and Russia only provide 10x Su-35 per year to China during 2016-2018 coz they also need produce new Su-35 for Russia Airforce and other customers. I had said China ordered 117S jet engines more than numbers of Su-35 ... Su-35 isn't the importance in this deal. U should read TASS news carefully there's a unknown amount of reserve aircraft engines inside this deal, that's what China want.

I did read it, thx for Reply

How man J-10 and Su-27 series (J-11 etc.) China can produce per year ?
 
The same kind of upgrade scheme? How? From where China may have the knowledge of Su-35 upgrade decisions and all spectrum of used technologies? Twitter? Newspapers? Air Shows? So upgrade scheme may be similar, not same.

I used the term "scheme", which refers to a broad trend in subsystems upgrades. For example, both Su-35 and the J-11D feature avionics upgrades, extensive airframe enhancements, upgraded EW/ECM suites, and engine upgrades. This in no way implies that the subsystems themselves are the same or even that the spectrum of upgrades are exactly equal, but rather that the two aircraft focus on the same areas of improvements.

Airframe... Are Chinese technologies, knowledge and experience mature enough to develop own airframe for heavy fighter, equal to the best world standards, without relying on samples? Some doubts.

The Chinese have been developing, designing, building, and retrofitting Flanker variants for over 17 years now; there is no reason to doubt their familiarity with the Flanker airframe.

AESA... Problem is not in AESA vs PESA, it is in maturity of technology, including signal processing algorithms, detection and recognition of targets, weapons control, and hence, => combat capabilities. And also do not forget maintenance. Failure of such a system like radar in a combat means death. Su-35 uses mature system with capabilities equal or better to other modern combat aircrafts of the same generation.

Fair enough, but my point was that the J-11D should be very similar to the Su-35 in this regard, thus ruling out the possibility that the Chinese are buying the Su-35 (again, assuming that rumors are true) due to a gap in capability. My post was specifically referring to the subsystems aboard J-11D/Su-35, not necessarily the maintenance requirements for them, which depends on a host of factors beyond R&D and manufacturing.

The same is true for engines.
So if the deal will be implemented, Su-35 for China may be seen as a platform for verification and validation of current projects J-11, ..., etc.

I'm not sure what you mean by "verification" or "validation", but I agree, the Chinese enginers and PLAAF brass are probably very eager to compare notes with their Russian counterparts, especially when they plan to operate domestic fighters that are very similar to the Su-35 such as the J-11D/J-16.
 
The time F35 coming to JAPAN, J-20A serving in PLAAF, that time will be 800+ 4gen~5gen fighters in 2017 China, that's my answer to u. Mr Leio don't talk groundless words in PDF.

No one in J20 project could assure what Leio just wished.

That why Su 35 coming to China
 

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