Do you think with harpoon Mustin will have guarantee to be able to destroy Liaoning?
Even if it is as close as you think, it wont be easy to shoot Liaoning with Harpoon.
Look at this phalanx and anti missile system
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First: element or surprise from the sea skimming missile like harpoon/exoceet will be relevant when launched beyond the horizon of the target.
During falkland war, Argentina launch exoceet from fighter flying at low altitude, it only ascended when it about to launch the missile and it launch the missile where it was still beyond horizon, hence brought element of surprise for the HMS shefield.
If Mustin distance is too close and observable from Liaoning, that means there will be no element of surprise anymore. All radar and sensor system from Liaoning/renhai will keep paying attention on the Mustin and any possible missile launch from it, and possibility for harpoon to be successful in hitting Liaoning is small.
Second, Liaoning and Renhai is equipped with AESA radar that have high agility in scanning at both high and low altitude object at once, hence will give more time for anti missile to track and destroy sea skimming missile like harpoon and exoceet. Different with mechanical radar that can't scan high and low altitude at once.
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Harpoon speed is still subsonic, hence the possibility for CIWS and anti missile to hit it is still high.
In the meantime YJ-12 from Renhai or Type 052 is sea skimming like harpoon, the difference is YJ-12 is supersonic. That means Renhai will be more lethal tnan Mustin.
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This is YJ-18, not sea skimming but supersonic at low altitude and with zigzag maneuver at terminal stage.
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First: element or surprise from the sea skimming missile like harpoon/exoceet will be relevant when launched beyond the horizon of the target.
During falkland war, Argentina launch exoceet from fighter flying at low altitude, it only ascended when it about to launch the missile and it launch the missile where it was still beyond horizon, hence brought element of surprise for the HMS shefield.
If Mustin distance is too close and observable from Liaoning, that means there will be no element of surprise anymore. All radar and sensor system from Liaoning/renhai will keep paying attention on the Mustin and any possible missile launch from it, and possibility for harpoon to be successful in hitting Liaoning is small.
Second, Liaoning and Renhai is equipped with AESA radar that have high agility in scanning at both high and low altitude object at once, hence will give more time for anti missile to track and destroy sea skimming missile like harpoon and exoceet. Different with mechanical radar that can't scan high and low altitude at once.
How To Shoot Down Anti-Ship Missiles: Part-2: Detection Using Radars
The most important stage in shooting down Anti-Ship missiles is their detection. The most important stage in shooting down Anti-Ship missiles is their detection. Since these missiles follow high, m…
Harpoon speed is still subsonic, hence the possibility for CIWS and anti missile to hit it is still high.
In the meantime YJ-12 from Renhai or Type 052 is sea skimming like harpoon, the difference is YJ-12 is supersonic. That means Renhai will be more lethal tnan Mustin.
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This is YJ-18, not sea skimming but supersonic at low altitude and with zigzag maneuver at terminal stage.
PLAN could have done the same to US aircraft carrier but Chinese are not acting like kid which the US do.
The american military always try to sell a macho image for local consumption but we all know the limit of American military. A small little Iran attack US base in iraq with ballistic missiles and all US military might can response is to ask for peace!
What is even there to talk about for US when facing a much bigger China?
Precisely, if I used the author stupid explanation. USN must be spineless and incompetent too?
There is a limit of interception in an international sea. You cannot stop anybody on international sea. China only claim the islet inside nine dash line and not the whole sea. Of cos fake US media will spin another story.
Nope. Harpoon is just like exocet, not a stealth missile.
Harpoon can be detected by radar, any radar can detect sea skimming missile within 30km because the radar EM wave still can reach the low flying missile and be reflected back to radar receiver. Read the citation I have given you above.
Find fact first before make a bold claim
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It can evade radar if the distance between harpoon and radar is still beyond 30km, because it is over horizon. When it is within 30km radar can detect.
Sorry to ruin your dream .... only the latest version Arleigh burke flight III equipped with AESA radar; most US destroyer including Mustin is not AESA yet
Yes not all AESA radar are equal, and we dont know yet who between US and China has the best AESA. This could mean US AESA is better than Chinese, or the other way round Chinese latest AESA is better than US latest one; US AESA used to be better, but China is doing R&D for AESA very intense, like the way they develop 5G. China surpassing US in AESA could happen the same way China surpassing US in 5G, supercomputer, AI, and Quantum tech
Yeah ... so is with Type 055, Type 052, Type 054, J-15 from Liaoning, they all bring and can launch torpedo. Especially torpedo from low flying J-15/ASW helicopter can bring element of surprise for Mustin
Which is more lethal? 1 source Mustin which is already monitored vs many sources (055, 052D, 054 including from J-15 which Mustin crew could not guess when the J-15 fire torpedo?
Torpedo is lethal if it has element of surprise, but again once Mustin position is known and monitored, there will be no more element of surprise.
WRONG, use your logic! the fastest the target the more difficult to be intercepted, not the otherway round
Supersonic sea skimming is extremely difficult to be intercepted, while subsonic harpoon is easier.
And harpoon from observable Mustin is not from beyond horizon! Beyond horizon means you can't detect the missile by eyes/optical nor by radar EM because the round shape of earth. If Mustin crew can see Liaoning or vice versa, it means both are not beyond horizon of each other sight.
LOL. Since when Mustin have and can launch LRASM? You are too much.
China have KD-10 LRASM.
Torpedo from Mustin will be easy to detect and predict, hence easy for Liaoning to evade or do countermeassure, so not much threatening
In the meantime, torpedo and missile from J-15 will be difficult to be detected for Mustin, becauseJ-15 could keep change the position fast easily; not to mention from any other Liaoning's escorting ships and submarine; so Liaoning CBG is much more a threat for Mustin than the other way round.
Deck gun is useless, can't sink a ship leave alone carrier. Once Mustin fire deck gun, a supersonic sea skim YJ-12 could be launched by any of Liaoning escorting ship as retaliation, we can say Mustin will certainly sink, not only because the lethality supersonic sea skimmer, but CBG could launch numerous YJ-12, YJ-18, and torpedo simultanuously to Mustin if they want to ensure the destcruction.
