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The maximum effective range is only achievable if the launcher aircraft is flying at high altitude and at speed without affected by ECM. In rear engagement against fleeing aircraft at high speed, the effective range would greatly reduced to less than 15Nm. This is why in modern BVR engagement, most of the launcher aircraft don't launch missiles at maximum effective range especially against agile fighters with range below 30miles during Iraq, Serbia war.

If J-10C is carrying just 2x PL-10E & 2x PL-15 up against 2x F-16V, the J-10C might launch 1 PL-15 at each F-16V at range of 80 miles or less (it won't be the maximum effective range at over 100miles anyway unless target is large aircraft with huge RCS & poor maneuverability). If F-16V carried AIM-120D, they too would launch at similar range. You don't expect 100% successful hit especially against fighters with proven avionics and well trained pilots as they would take evasive maneuver upon detecting spike and warning on their advanced RWR planning their spoofing moves. If the PL-15 managed to splash 1x F-16V, the other would have at least 3 or more AIM-120 remaining to launch at the lone J-10C that is desperate to get into visual range engagement. Question is, can the J-10C be lucky enough to spoof the remaining 3x AIM-120 from 2nd F-16V if it managed to spoof the first?

Your setting up the best scenario for the F16Vs (2 vs. 1) is just a what-if playbook when you play on your computer. In what-if situations, a Mig-19 could gun down a F-15E or a blind cat could catch a mouse. Thanks for the laugh.
 
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Your setting up the best scenario for the F16Vs (2 vs. 1) is just a what-if playbook when you play on your computer. In what-if situations, a Mig-19 could gun down a F-15E or a blind cat could catch a mouse. Thanks for the laugh.

Countries that buy weapons from Russia or China mostly are those that don't buy from US & NATO. Also numbers of them have rivals that are placed under threat list of possible attackers usually richer buying arms from US & NATO having larger air forces. Just look at Syria vs Turkey air force inventory is 1 of best example. Present minimum missiles recommended for combat air patrol, escort, intercept has been 8 air to air missiles since 1980's. Russians used to be 6x but responded with 8x, 10x , 12x as seen on Mig-35, Su-27/33/30/35.

J-10CE export market potential buyers are likely to face outnumbered air engagement should they gotten into war with at least 1 vs 2, unlucky could be more with enemy air force twice the size at least.
 
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New batch J-10C with WS10 was in service to take place old J-7E.
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BS from pupu:Maybe some old J10-A will be upgraded with new avionics( LKF601E radar) and offered to North Korea for free as military assistance.
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He say "Offered to friendly country for free as military assistance."It could be North Korea but Pakistan is also a possibility as the destination of the upgraded J-10A. We haven't seen China give any new military jets to North Korea for long long time, unless there is change of policy.
 
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He say "Offered to friendly country for free as military assistance."It could be North Korea but Pakistan is also a possibility as the destination of the upgraded J-10A. We haven't seen China give any new military jets to North Korea for long long time, unless there is change of policy.

Would make sense for China to supply NK to annoy the US.
 
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He say "Offered to friendly country for free as military assistance."It could be North Korea but Pakistan is also a possibility as the destination of the upgraded J-10A. We haven't seen China give any new military jets to North Korea for long long time, unless there is change of policy.

Pakistan is getting J-10C. Pupu’s rumor matches what Yankeesama has leaked.
 
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Would make sense for China to supply NK to annoy the US.
I don't think so. China's US policy is not US's China policy. China has never done things childishly like US.

China's policy on Korea Peninsula is very clear, no nukes for both side of 38°.
 
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BS from pupu:Maybe some old J10-A will be upgraded with new avionics( LKF601E radar) and offered to North Korea for free as military assistance.
We haven't seen China give any new military jets to North Korea for long long time, unless there is change of policy.
Would make sense for China to supply NK to annoy the US.
a bit change of policy;; china recently resumed economically trading with north korea;; however, note that china NEVER gave any big arms to north korea like jet, ship, or missile since 1990s although it trades some minor arms
He say "Offered to friendly country for free as military assistance."It could be North Korea but Pakistan is also a possibility as the destination of the upgraded J-10A.
Pakistan is getting J-10C. Pupu’s rumor matches what Yankeesama has leaked.
pakistan is getting JF17;; again, such baseless J10 rumor has looped since 2008 but we still have NOT seen any progress and I conclude such deal is NOT possible;; many chinese and pakistani fanboys completely forget that pakistan is currently undergoing very serious economic crisis, desperately looking for big monetary helps possibly from any others;; plus it is even struggling with its ongoing arms acquisition programs like JF17 due to lack of money;; many pakistani fanboys sound like chinese arms is almost free (sometimes they even sound like chinese arms is pakistani arms itself lol);; they sound so because they NEVER know the secret trade in barter payment;; but please note that chinese arms has NEVER been free for pakistan;; buying J10 medium fighters costs at least over a billions of dollars;; pakistan do NOT have any way to pay for J10;; thus the deal is IMPOSSIBLE;; guys please leave J10
 
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a bit change of policy;; china recently resumed economically trading with north korea;; however, note that china NEVER gave any big arms to north korea like jet, ship, or missile since 1990s although it trades some minor arms


pakistan is getting JF17;; again, such baseless J10 rumor has looped since 2008 but we still have NOT seen any progress and I conclude such deal is NOT possible;; many chinese and pakistani fanboys completely forget that pakistan is currently undergoing very serious economic crisis, desperately looking for big monetary helps possibly from any others;; plus it is even struggling with its ongoing arms acquisition programs like JF17 due to lack of money;; many pakistani fanboys sound like chinese arms is almost free (sometimes they even sound like chinese arms is pakistani arms itself lol);; they sound so because they NEVER know the secret trade in barter payment;; but please note that chinese arms has NEVER been free for pakistan;; buying J10 medium fighters costs at least over a billions of dollars;; pakistan do NOT have any way to pay for J10;; thus the deal is IMPOSSIBLE;; guys please leave J10

By that logic Pakistan wouldn't be able to pay for the Type 054A either. Military deals with Pakistan has not been about making money, especially in light of recent events.
 
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a bit change of policy;; china recently resumed economically trading with north korea;; however, note that china NEVER gave any big arms to north korea like jet, ship, or missile since 1990s although it trades some minor arms


pakistan is getting JF17;; again, such baseless J10 rumor has looped since 2008 but we still have NOT seen any progress and I conclude such deal is NOT possible;; many chinese and pakistani fanboys completely forget that pakistan is currently undergoing very serious economic crisis, desperately looking for big monetary helps possibly from any others;; plus it is even struggling with its ongoing arms acquisition programs like JF17 due to lack of money;; many pakistani fanboys sound like chinese arms is almost free (sometimes they even sound like chinese arms is pakistani arms itself lol);; they sound so because they NEVER know the secret trade in barter payment;; but please note that chinese arms has NEVER been free for pakistan;; buying J10 medium fighters costs at least over a billions of dollars;; pakistan do NOT have any way to pay for J10;; thus the deal is IMPOSSIBLE;; guys please leave J10
can't just think about it in terms of money. Pakistan's j10c will come out soon .
 
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By that logic Pakistan wouldn't be able to pay for the Type 054A either. Military deals with Pakistan has not been about making money, especially in light of recent events.
good point;; as far as I study for decades, here's the base;; china and pakistan has traditionally traded in the barter payment because pakistan has NO money and china still wants to sell;; and they NEVER publicize how such barter payment works, so basically people could NOT know the deal in detail;; however, the timeline is the strongest evidence for the barter payment between china and pakistan;; in case of arms trades, just over one hundreds of JF17 are still being deployed in pakistan since 2007;; first type 054A class frigate is now deployed in pakistan after it first ordered in 2016 (Pakistan shops for warships to replace British frigates, modernize Navy (armytimes.com));; plus eight of yuan class submarines are scheduled to be deployed in 2028 since it first ordered in 2015 (Defence cooperation: Pakistan to buy eight submarines from China (tribune.com.pk));; such small jets and ships typically took only few years for china but they would take longer than decades for its delivery to pakistan;; china surely adjusts its arms deliveries to pakistan while both progress in big economic projects like china-pakistan-economic-corridor (CPEC), so the bigger economic projects, the bigger arms sales between china and pakistan;; massive arms industry surely takes a lot of costs and it is making money for china
can't just think about it in terms of money. Pakistan's j10c will come out soon .
soon? so please tell me when it would
We have friggin AVIC leaking the news several months ago. I don’t understand why people are so skeptical.
again, because such pop-ups always go around since 2008;; okay, be await and let see again;; I'm sure that china has constantly rejected pakistani price offers for J10 since 2008
 
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