Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[LKJ86]

J-10B

 

[LKJ86]

 

[LKJ86]

 

[LKJ86]

J-10S

 

[LKJ86]

 

[LKJ86]

 

[Su33KUB]

Lavi model? J-10 model forgotten model looking like a Lavi

 

[055_destroyer]

Lavi model? J-10 model forgotten model looking like a Lavi

This proves J-10 design is original. The photo and model plane exist even before lavi project is born.

 

[Su33KUB]

This proves J-10 design is original. The photo and model plane exist even before lavi project is born.

picture of 1991 of J-10 with Lavi style configuration 5 years after Lavi first flew, mock up not even with frozen configuration, first flight of J-10 1997

 

[LKJ86]

The chief designer of J-10 and its model which was made in 1982:

 

[Figaro]

The chief designer of J-10 and its model which was made in 1982:
View attachment 574109 View attachment 574110

@Su33KUB, can you stop your pointless rants/trolling now? You are really disrupting an otherwise informative thread.

 

[Su33KUB]

The chief designer of J-10 and its model which was made in 1982:
View attachment 574109 View attachment 574110

yes specially for the same type of inlet and canards obviously the guy did not go to Israel and the same guy is not pictured with a Lavi single seat model type J-10, you forget that the J-10 has twin ventral fins, larger than IAI Lavi and you can not see the relation of the engine types fitted into IAI Lavi and the real J-10 in relation to the tail size and the wing trailing edge extension were are set the ventral fins follow Karman rules, but guys like you do not understand the wing of the 1982 lacks the IAI lavi ventral fins because the engine made for larger fuselage and J-10 has larger ventral fins than IAI lavi because J-10 is larger than Lavi thanks to Al-31 but well i guess you did not read Alonis paper

@Su33KUB, can you stop your pointless rants/trolling now? You are really disrupting an otherwise informative thread.

you are the troll, IAI Lavi influenced J-10 and SibNia from Russia helped, Chendu developed the aircraft but it has lots of Lavi data and tech , but of course you love lies

 

[LKJ86]

yes specially for the same type of inlet and canards obviously the guy did not go to Israel and the same guy is not pictured with a Lavi single seat model type J-10

China mainly has two fighter manufacturers: SAC and CAC.

CAC started to persuade PLAAF by using that model from 1982, while SAC also already had its own solution at that moment. And CAC basically got the J-10 project in 1984.

Do you think CAC can beat SAC with nothing?

Look at the model, and you can find that there are no overlapping between canards and delta wings, no wingtip pylons, and single-seat, consistent with J-10A from 1982.

 

[LKJ86]

yes specially for the same type of inlet and canards obviously the guy did not go to Israel and the same guy is not pictured with a Lavi single seat model type J-10, you forget that the J-10 has twin ventral fins, larger than IAI Lavi and you can not see the relation of the engine types fitted into IAI Lavi and the real J-10 in relation to the tail size and the wing trailing edge extension were are set the ventral fins follow Karman rules, but guys like you do not understand the wing of the 1982 lacks the IAI lavi ventral fins because the engine made for larger fuselage and J-10 has larger ventral fins than IAI lavi because J-10 is larger than Lavi thanks to Al-31 but well i guess you did not read Alonis paper

In 1983, WP-15 turbojet engine was chose for the new fighter aircraft at that moment, which was bigger in size than AL-31F engine.

 

[Su33KUB]

China mainly has two fighter manufacturers: SAC and CAC.

CAC started to persuade PLAAF by using that model from 1982, while SAC also already had its own solution at that moment. And CAC basically got the J-10 project in 1984.

Do you think CAC can beat SAC with nothing?

Look at the model, and you can find that there are no overlapping between canards and delta wings, no wingtip pylons, and single-seat, consistent with J-10A from 1982.
View attachment 574140

too childish example, Chengdu developed with Chinese research the aircraft J-10 but in order to achieve a shorter development period, they took Lavi data, there were two versions of IAI Lavi each one with a different engine size, the bigger engine version got bigger tail and bigger ventral fins, J-10 has bigger engine thus bigger ventral fins than Lavi, regardless how you want to spin it, the J-10 main engineer went to Israel, the aircraft is not a 1 to 1 copy, but a design with its own requirements developed with IAI Lavi data and tech.

J-10 is a hybrid of Chinese technology, Israeli data and Russian aid, you might not like it, but the F-16 intake of IAI Lavi was on the mock up of 1991 of J-10, is J-10 a pure clon? no it is not, it is an evolution of Lavi? yes it is, a hybrid of several companies, sourced into a Chinese led project.

The simple one shock intake of F-16 was tested on J-10 as it was the boxy multi shock VG intake J-10 tested by IAI Lavi and on F-16 both types have advantages and disadvantages, the J-10 intake is better suit for fast acceleration and supersonic speeds, the mock up J-10 of 1991 with F-16 intake type is lighter thus easier to make, Chengdu re-took it on the DSI fitted J-10, aircraft study several dozens configurations before they freeze on a single one, your vision is not based as how aircraft are made.

I let you these studies of the early F-16 and you can see a 2D intake Chengdu did the same but the visit of the Chinese delegation besides a Lavi proves the link of both projects