Chairman JCSC calls on Italy's Chief of Defence (CHOD) - Radio Pakistan

[Pakistan Ka Beta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1364596917724868612

 

[GriffinsRule]

Leonardo's becoming a key supplier to Pakistan

 

[BATMAN]

This was a meeting in IDEX

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1364596917724868612

Just throwing it out there guys ...

You don't get to ask OEM to let your industry into their supply chains unless there's something in it for the OEM. These types of requests and discussions always involve a sale for the OEM, even in 1st world countries.

I suspect there's a fairly hefty deal with Leonardo and/or MBDA Italy on the table. Certainly not Typhoons, but perhaps Kronos-series gap filler radars, CAMM/ER, M-346 LIFTs, AW101, AW149 and/or AW159 helicopters.

@SQ8, @JamD @Yasser76 @khanasifm

 

[SQ8]

Just throwing it out there guys ...

You don't get to ask OEM to let your industry into their supply chains unless there's something in it for the OEM. These types of requests and discussions always involve a sale for the OEM, even in 1st world countries.

I suspect there's a fairly hefty deal with Leonardo and/or MBDA Italy on the table. Certainly not Typhoons, but perhaps Kronos-series gap filler radars, CAMM/ER, M-346 LIFTs, AW101, AW149 and/or AW159 helicopters.

@SQ8, @JamD @Yasser76 @khanasifm

It is quite interesting how this “silent” relationship with the Italians is being cultivated. We have our “western” supplier who unlike other euro suppliers are less keen to give a hoot to South Indian BLA protestors or the like.
However, I am sure that the Indian diplomatic corps is working overtime here.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

It is quite interesting how this “silent” relationship with the Italians is being cultivated. We have our “western” supplier who unlike other euro suppliers are less keen to give a hoot to South Indian BLA protestors or the like.
However, I am sure that the Indian diplomatic corps is working overtime here.

I don't think it's just Italy. These Western OEMs are all cross-integrated with one another, and at some level, whatever Italy sells to Pakistan, others benefit. For example, any sale of AgustaWestland helicopters would involve manufacturing jobs for the UK, and the engine contracts, expectedly, would end up with the US.

There's a limit to what the Indians can bother with and, from what I suspect, the Italians are at the fringes and not worth trying to fight over. After all, the Italians can't supply everything -- they'd run into walls too (e.g., they can't get us the MBDA Meteor without French approval, for example).

 

[mingle]

Just throwing it out there guys ...

You don't get to ask OEM to let your industry into their supply chains unless there's something in it for the OEM. These types of requests and discussions always involve a sale for the OEM, even in 1st world countries.

I suspect there's a fairly hefty deal with Leonardo and/or MBDA Italy on the table. Certainly not Typhoons, but perhaps Kronos-series gap filler radars, CAMM/ER, M-346 LIFTs, AW101, AW149 and/or AW159 helicopters.

@SQ8, @JamD @Yasser76 @khanasifm

Don't forget Midgets submarine for PN we can have Italian ships as well EF that will be iceing on cake 10billion $ package would be great leonardo opened office in Pakistan I hope this relationship will grow

 

[I S I]

Heh

 

[Zarvan]

Just throwing it out there guys ...

You don't get to ask OEM to let your industry into their supply chains unless there's something in it for the OEM. These types of requests and discussions always involve a sale for the OEM, even in 1st world countries.

I suspect there's a fairly hefty deal with Leonardo and/or MBDA Italy on the table. Certainly not Typhoons, but perhaps Kronos-series gap filler radars, CAMM/ER, M-346 LIFTs, AW101, AW149 and/or AW159 helicopters.

@SQ8, @JamD @Yasser76 @khanasifm

No Typhoon but I am expecting helicopters as well as Air Defence systems.

 

[Yasser76]

Just throwing it out there guys ...

You don't get to ask OEM to let your industry into their supply chains unless there's something in it for the OEM. These types of requests and discussions always involve a sale for the OEM, even in 1st world countries.

I suspect there's a fairly hefty deal with Leonardo and/or MBDA Italy on the table. Certainly not Typhoons, but perhaps Kronos-series gap filler radars, CAMM/ER, M-346 LIFTs, AW101, AW149 and/or AW159 helicopters.

@SQ8, @JamD @Yasser76 @khanasifm

Yes, totally agree, this could be trying to push Karachi Yards, PAC, POF or HIT to be involved in a potential offset deal.

My gut feeling is

Naval choppers the CNS stated we are looking to get, as we are inducting AW139 in PAF/PA I expect Italian too
Mini Subs CNS also stated we are looking to get and Italy is world's best at these

I don't think it's just Italy. These Western OEMs are all cross-integrated with one another, and at some level, whatever Italy sells to Pakistan, others benefit. For example, any sale of AgustaWestland helicopters would involve manufacturing jobs for the UK, and the engine contracts, expectedly, would end up with the US.

There's a limit to what the Indians can bother with and, from what I suspect, the Italians are at the fringes and not worth trying to fight over. After all, the Italians can't supply everything -- they'd run into walls too (e.g., they can't get us the MBDA Meteor without French approval, for example).

Yes, Indian influence is being limited by a shrinking capital budget and the fact that they seem to be focusing on pleasing the main 4 (Russia, US, France, Israel(, outside that there is scope for Pakistan to gain equipment from Germany, UK, Spain, Brazil and Italy which we seem to have been doing. Italians providing a lot it seems

 

[Vapnope]

@Yasser76 @Bilal Khan (Quwa) Pakistan will be in relatively better position against any lobbying if we come out of grey list in FATF. This grey list remains a tool for lobbying effects against Pakistan.

 

[Yasser76]

@Yasser76 @Bilal Khan (Quwa) Pakistan will be in relatively better position against any lobbying if we come out of grey list in FATF. This grey list remains a tool for lobbying effects against Pakistan.

If you look at the details grey list if not that big a deal, Indian media loves to hype it up but countries like Iceland and Jamaica are on there, has not effected them that much, I would say it is more of a PR thing. Pakistani allies will remain totally supportive, Pakistani enemies will remain against us. Irrespective

 

[Vapnope]

If you look at the details grey list if not that big a deal, Indian media loves to hype it up but countries like Iceland and Jamaica are on there, has not effected them that much, I would say it is more of a PR thing. Pakistani allies will remain totally supportive, Pakistani enemies will remain against us. Irrespective

Like i said it is symbolic which effects countries in EU once you remove even the grey list, not many are going to listen to propaganda from news outlets.

 

[Goritoes]

Maybe it connected to PAF Cheif's statement about the upcoming Air Defense system, Aster 30?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

If you look at the details grey list if not that big a deal, Indian media loves to hype it up but countries like Iceland and Jamaica are on there, has not effected them that much, I would say it is more of a PR thing. Pakistani allies will remain totally supportive, Pakistani enemies will remain against us. Irrespective

I suspect a big advantage of leaving the FATF Grey List is that the Europeans can offer Pakistan a line-of-credit to acquire arms.

If you notice, this factor had been missing in our defence negotiations since around 2009 -- first due to the Recession, Zardari, and IMF programs, and then after 2015 due to FATF. Egypt (a country with very similar economic issues to us) got Rafales et. al through a credit line.