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The Russian armed forces continue to update their strategic arms. Next in line is the development and production of a new Advanced Long-Range Aviation Complex (the PAK DA). Experts suggest that there may be nothing new in this project, and that it would become a copy of the American B-2 ‘stealth’ bomber.

But is that really the case?

According to reports in the Russian media the Tupolev aircraft production company will begin development work on a strategic bomber, which is due to replace the Tu-95 and Tu-160 aircraft currently in service. It is suggested that the air frame of this aircraft will resemble a ‘flying wing,’ and that it would be subsonic and fitted with a system to reduce its radar target signature.

Army General Valeriy Gerasimov, the Chief of the General Staff, announced in the summer that development work on the PAK DA to replace the Tu-95MS and Tu-160 bombers will begin in 2014. Along with this plan, the series production of the aircraft itself will begin in 2020.

An official representative of the Ministry of Defense then announced that the PAK DA would be equipped with all the precision weapons currently being developed, including hypersonic weapons.

Boris Obnosov, the General Director of Tekhnicheskoe Raketnoe Vooruzhenie, announced that a hypersonic missile for the new bomber “has already been produced, but flies for only a few seconds.” Series production of the missile itself is to begin in 2020.

Nevertheless the military wanted to make this a subsonic aircraft. Why was this decision made? Taking everything into consideration, all this relates to the aircraft’s future role in combat. It could either be a fairly compact, stealthy missile carrying aircraft, or a hypersonic aircraft with the potential to penetrate existing air defense systems by virtue of its speed.

However the appropriate technical solutions, which permit development of a relatively large stealth bomber able to fly at hypersonic speeds do not yet exist. A small, subsonic stealth aircraft, which can operate from medium sized airfields with the potential to carry hypersonic missiles, is able to patrol the launch area over long periods and strike the target with high-speed weaponry at very short notice. This was the reason the Americans chose not to use the B-1 supersonic bomber for this role in favor of the B-2.

How similar though are the PAK DA and the B-2? From a scientific-technical point of view ‘copying’ a similar aircraft is no more than an observation of the laws of aerodynamics and other fundamental laws, which define the operability of aviation and space technology.

When designers are faced with identical or similar tasks, their solution will follow more or less the same methodology. However, a huge number of differences lurk behind the external similarities, which define the level of sophistication of one combat system over another. As experience has shown, few would deny that the Tu-144 and ‘Concorde’ are alike. The aerodynamic configuration of the F-15 is similar to that of the Su-27, but the Russian designers—even though they started work a little later—produced an undeniably more successful aircraft from the point of view of the airframe.

This being the case it is remarkable that the Americans owe a great deal to the Soviet scientist Pyotr Ufimtsev for actively introducing stealth technology into their own fighter-bomber aircraft.

In 1975 the Advanced Development Projects department of the Lockheed corporation received a translation of an article by Ufimtsev, in which he proposed a method that could be used to calculate the reflection of a radar beam from a two-dimensional body. This algorithm opened the way to developing an aircraft invisible on radar screens. It could be said that at that moment the history of stealth aircraft began. Later one of the authors of ‘invisible’ aircraft Alan Brown who led the U.S. Air Force’s first stealth program Senior Trend, which began in 1978 admitted that Ufimtsev’s contribution to creating a computer program for stealth technology could be estimated at between 30 percent to 40 percent. This though is a controlling stake in a new technology.

Can the PAK DA outperform the B-2? | idrw.org
 
B-2, introduced in the 80's and still the benchmark for things stealth. The PAK-DA is as of yet to even leave the drawing board.
 
Can some body explain how the model plane shown in first post is going to be a stealth plane? getting ahead of B-2 is way beyond that.

If you closely look the picture the engines are placed like commercial planes which will reflect enough RCS to light it up on radar like a bulb.
 
B-2, introduced in the 80's and still the benchmark for things stealth. The PAK-DA is as of yet to even leave the drawing board.

thats why the author used B-2 as a benchmark,else it would have been other way around,isnt it?
 
Can some body explain how the model plane shown in first post is going to be a stealth plane? getting ahead of B-2 is way beyond that.

If you closely look the picture the engines are placed like commercial planes which will reflect enough RCS to light it up on radar like a bulb.
Because that is not the PAK-DA.. that is a wind tunnel design for a next generation airliner.
 
This is not the PAK-DA on the photo. PAK-DA model has not yet been formally presented.
In the photo - a model for developing civil airliner by a "flying wing"
May be this is PAK-DA, but nobody knows yet.
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This is not the PAK-DA on the photo. PAK-DA model has not yet been formally presented.
In the photo - a model for developing civil airliner by a "flying wing"

PAK-DA may not be a priority either. As such the VVS has gone back as a tactical force rather than a strategic one as such as the nuclear mission resides with the land forces. Right now there seems to be a focus on getting that strategic edge back(long range flights are one thing but survivability in a strategic environment is another). I wonder if the PVO has been relegated to third tier in importance as the last upgrade I heard of was the Mig-31 upgrade program.. since then not much on the PVO.
 
F 22 Comes in 1992 but T 50 still on Taxi tests ..Who has less RCS
 
F 22 Comes in 1992 but T 50 still on Taxi tests ..Who has less RCS

I don't know whether your are dumb or stupid, but F-22 did not exit in 1992, what your talking about is the YF-22.

Lockheed YF-22 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


As for PAK FA, several prototypes have been flying for nearly 4 years now, with 450 test flights completed, and will enter service in 2 years.
 
Russia will begin the full-scale R&D work on its future strategic bomber in 2014, a senior aircraft-manufacturing industry official said Thursday.

The project, known as PAK-DA (an acronym meaning “future long-range aircraft”), has been in the works for several years but was given the formal go-ahead by the Russian leadership last year.

“A decision was made this year to expedite the development of the PAK-DA aircraft,” Mikhail Pogosyan, head of Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation, said at a meeting on the future of the Russian air force chaired by President Vladimir Putin.

“We finished coordinating the project with the Defense Ministry in September and at present we are getting ready to start full-scale work on research and development of these aircraft next year,” Pogosyan said.

According to Russian media reports citing defense ministry sources, the Tupolev design bureau has won the PAK-DA development tender with its concept for a subsonic aircraft with a “flying wing” shape that provides superior “stealth capabilities.”

The Defense Ministry insisted that the PAK-DA should be equipped with advanced electronic warfare systems and armed with new nuclear-capable long-range cruise missiles in addition to a variety of high-precision conventional weapons.

The new bomber is expected to go into production by 2020 and will most likely be built at a new aircraft assembly line at Russia’s Kazan plant (KAPO), according to defense ministry officials.

The PAK-DA is due to replace Russia’s aging fleet of 63 Tupolev Tu-95MS Bear and 13 Tu-160 Blackjack strategic bombers in the next decade.

[Which means they wont replace Tu-22M3s. T-60 S was its intended replacement but the project was scrapped. I dont think they will have new bomber to replace backfires which emans we can expect newly produced versions of Tu-22 M3 (or M4?) to enter service in coming years, repalcing old backfires. currently there are 193 backfires serving RuAF with fleet stength of 84.) ]

Pogosyan said Thursday that the preliminary tests of the modernized Tu-160 and Tu-95 bombers have been completed and they will now undergo a series of inspections by a state acceptance commission.

He did not specify the number of modernized aircraft to be inspected.

According to aircraft industry officials, the modernized bombers feature new weaponry, improved electronics and avionics that double their combat effectiveness.

Russia Speeds Up Development of New Strategic Bomber | idrw.org
 

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