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Can Pakistan take on the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba?

* Former RAW official says Islamabad could stop Lashkar if it stops considering LT a ‘strategic asset’

LONDON: If Pakistan’s battle against the Taliban seems difficult, a much tougher challenge lies ahead: deciding what to do about the banned Lashkar-e-Tayyaba (LT).

Security experts from the United States and India believe the Pakistan Army and its Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency could shut down the group accused of carrying out the Mumbai attacks – if they choose to do so.

“The Pakistan Army could do it and the ISI could tell them where to find those guys in a heartbeat,” said Bruce Riedel, a former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officer who led a review of strategy in Afghanistan and Pakistan for President Barack Obama.

Asset: “If they wanted to shut them down they could,” said B Raman, a former Additional Secretary at India’s Research and Analysis Wing (RAW). “They can do it, but they don’t want to do it because they look upon it as a strategic asset.”

But Samina Yasmeen, a professor at the University of Western Australia who is researching a book on LT said the reality on the ground might be more complicated.

Over the years, she said, LT had given birth to splinter groups, which had broken free both of the Pakistan Army and the ISI, and even from the LT leadership.

“There are elements within the Lashkar that are not under the control of the army anymore. They really moved on a trajectory that people did not expect,” she said. “After 9/11, there was a section that emerged within the Lashkar that may not be under the control of its own leadership.”

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh pushed LT to the top of the agenda last week by effectively telling President Asif Ali Zardari that India would not re-open peace talks until Islamabad acted against the banned organisation.

He seems to have won support in the West, where LT is thought to be, potentially, as big a danger as Al Qaeda. “I think we have to regard the LT as much a threat to us as any other part of the Al Qaeda system,” Riedel said.

Like many extremist groups, LT was born out of CIA-backed jihad against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan and then began operations in Kashmir in 1993, Indian analysts say.

According to Raman, LT had a larger presence in the country than the Taliban, and a charitable wing, the Jamaatud Dawa, carries out humanitarian work.

With land, property and madrassas across the country, LT collaborated with Al Qaeda while also offering its training infrastructure to Pakistanis from the diaspora, he said.

But unlike other groups, it has been scrupulous in avoiding attacks in the country, thereby avoiding the wrath of the army that has now turned on the Taliban.

For security analysts, the two questions are whether the army and ISI can close down LT, and if they want to do so – the assumption being that this would have to be done by the country’s military rather than the civilian government. Riedel said he believed the capability was there, but said taking on LT would be hard.

“It’s become more and more difficult but I would not underestimate ISI’s knowledge base. They would be able to bring people in,” he said.

But Yasmeen said more problems could be created by targeting the leadership. “You limit their ability to have some possibility of controlling those below. The risk of splintering increases,” she said. Analysts said giving up LT, seen as a “force multiplier” in case of an invasion by India – rather like citizens trained in civil defence – would be another step altogether.

Would the army chief turn against LT? “My sense of Kayani is that he is very pragmatic. He hasn’t accepted that India is not a threat to Pakistan,” said Yasmeen.

“From Kayani’s point of view, does he want to deny himself the possibility of using all trained and semi-trained people?”

That question returns to the Catch 22 of India-Pakistan relations. Without peace, Pakistan may never fully turn against LT. And India will not offer peace talks until it does so.

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okeyyy ^^^^^^^^^ well this is nothing but a gross statement by them
 
Pakistan should not do India any favors.


Lashkar-e-Tayyaba never harmed any Pakistani in fact they rejected TTP taliban when TTP taliban wanted Lashkar-e-Tayyaba to fight Pakistan army, Lashkar-e-Tayyaba responded that they cant fight their own people.


This group is totally different from TTP taliban.


Pakistan has to put Pakistan first....not India. We are in war against TTP taliban, this war we are in now is more than enough...why should we harm anti-india groups when these groups never harmed any Pakistani. If we harm anti-india groups, they will join TTP taliban and then TTP taliban will only get stronger.
 
Pakistan should not do India any favors.


Lashkar-e-Tayyaba never harmed any Pakistani in fact they rejected TTP taliban when TTP taliban wanted Lashkar-e-Tayyaba to fight Pakistan army, Lashkar-e-Tayyaba responded that they cant fight their own people.


This group is totally different from TTP taliban.


Pakistan has to put Pakistan first....not India. We are in war against TTP taliban, this war we are in now is more than enough...why should we harm anti-india groups when these groups never harmed any Pakistani. If we harm anti-india groups, they will join TTP taliban and then TTP taliban will only get stronger.

Omar it is a matter of policy..!!! A state policy which denounces any kind of terrorist activity.. and vows not to allow it soil to export terror..!!! It all depends on your principles man..!!!!
 
The LeT did not attack mumbai........maybe ex memebers where involved but Hafeez Saeed did not order the attack.
As i said before any group that listens to pak govt orders and follows them should not be arrested or closed down.
 
Omar it is a matter of policy..!!! A state policy which denounces any kind of terrorist activity.. and vows not to allow it soil to export terror..!!! It all depends on your principles man..!!!!

Pakistan will not play ball until you make a solid move on kashmir........resolve the kashmir issue and they wont be exporting of freedom fighters.
 
Omar it is a matter of policy..!!! A state policy which denounces any kind of terrorist activity.. and vows not to allow it soil to export terror..!!! It all depends on your principles man..!!!!

Depends what is the defination of TERROR? Define TERRORISM.
If Freedom struggle is going be desiganted as TERRORISM, then there are no 'principles' & everything is fair in LOVE & WAR
 
I agree with Pakistan's policy of reigning in the militant groups in Kashmir, and I support the GoP acting against any groups or individuals that continue to carry out violence against civilians in India or in J&K, but I do not support arresting and eliminating groups or individuals who were part of our past policy of supporting the insurgency in Kashmir, people like Hafiz Saeed or the JuD for example.

If there is evidence that Saeed or the JuD were involved in financing or planning Mumbai or other terrorist attacks since their separation from the LeT, then they should be prosecuted. But not because of their past links and actions, which were in support of a legitimate struggle against Indian occupation of Kashmir.
 
I agree with Pakistan's policy of reigning in the militant groups in Kashmir, and I support the GoP acting against any groups or individuals that continue to carry out violence against civilians in India or in J&K, but I do not support arresting and eliminating groups or individuals who were part of our past policy of supporting the insurgency in Kashmir, people like Hafiz Saeed or the JuD for example.

If there is evidence that Saeed or the JuD were involved in financing or planning Mumbai or other terrorist attacks since their separation from the LeT, then they should be prosecuted. But not because of their past links and actions, which were in support of a legitimate struggle against Indian occupation of Kashmir.

There is a slight problem there.

The "legitimate struggle" ended in 1989, after the insurgency was Islamised with the arrival of newly-redudant militants from Afghanistan. Prior to that, it was a domestic, grass-roots struggle which was morally upright and largely peaceful--something that could have yielded results in the long term.

Lashkar-i-tayyiba got involved in kashmir in 1993, much after the "popular" uprising in Kashmir was quelled (cruelly and heavy-handedly by Indian forces, but quelled nonetheless). They participated in terrorist activities that have made Indian Kashmiri's lives intolerable. Remember, these are the same people who handed over SSG troops to Indian authroities in 1965, during operation Gibraltar. Now they just want to be left alone, thanks to all the crap Rajiv gandhi and your fundoos put them through.
 
There is a slight problem there.

The "legitimate struggle" ended in 1989, after the insurgency was Islamised with the arrival of newly-redudant militants from Afghanistan. Prior to that, it was a domestic, grass-roots struggle which was morally upright and largely peaceful--something that could have yielded results in the long term.

Lashkar-i-tayyiba got involved in kashmir in 1993, much after the "popular" uprising in Kashmir was quelled (cruelly and heavy-handedly by Indian forces, but quelled nonetheless). They participated in terrorist activities that have made Indian Kashmiri's lives intolerable. Remember, these are the same people who handed over SSG troops to Indian authroities in 1965, during operation Gibraltar. Now they just want to be left alone, thanks to all the crap Rajiv gandhi and your fundoos put them through.

I see no problem with my argument, which you haven't really addressed in your post.
 
I agree with Pakistan's policy of reigning in the militant groups in Kashmir, and I support the GoP acting against any groups or individuals that continue to carry out violence against civilians in India or in J&K, but I do not support arresting and eliminating groups or individuals who were part of our past policy of supporting the insurgency in Kashmir, people like Hafiz Saeed or the JuD for example.
If there is evidence that Saeed or the JuD were involved in financing or planning Mumbai or other terrorist attacks since their separation from the LeT, then they should be prosecuted. But not because of their past links and actions, which were in support of a legitimate struggle against Indian occupation of Kashmir.


Well on the flip side you have to look at India's side on this one, since they are consider terrorist and have planned and acted terrorist activities. This will be stumbling block for the future peace.

What I do not get AM, that if India aids baloch movement there is an up roar and nothing but stopping is the typical comment. But If India is angrely saying to jail these people, there is sence of, oh it was our past policy. Well India should give any allegation of Baloch movement or support of North Alliance as past policy.
 
If there is evidence that Saeed or the JuD were involved in financing or planning Mumbai or other terrorist attacks since their separation from the LeT, then they should be prosecuted. But not because of their past links and actions, which were in support of a legitimate struggle against Indian occupation of Kashmir.

Couple of questions - Not expounding my POV, just trying to clarify yours.

1) Where would you put the actions that were done by them after Pakistan classified them as terrorists and before Mumbai attacks ?

2) How would you classify actions by India if it acted extra-territorially? India classified them as terrorists earlier than Pakistan. If India announced a bounty LeT people (I think there are a few outstanding) and then took them out, would you consider those actions a) Terrorism b) acts of war or c) legal, since international courts approve of that ?
 
What I do not get AM, that if India aids baloch movement there is an up roar and nothing but stopping is the typical comment. But If India is angrely saying to jail these people, there is sence of, oh it was our past policy.

Pakistan is not angrily asking for India to jail RAW operates, or their Mukti Bahami friends or those who collaborated with KHaD and made the Baluch rebellion during the 80s. The Indians though are always demanding such crap without offering conclusive proof, be that the JuD, LeT or bloody Daood Imbrahim.
 
I see no problem with my argument, which you haven't really addressed in your post.

My poin twas that Saeed was the founder of LeT. As the LeT was never a part of the "legitimate" pre-1989 local Kashmiri movement, but a foreign terrorist construct, he should be held accountable in any case--not just "if" he was involved in the Mumbai attacks.
 
Couple of questions - Not expounding my POV, just trying to clarify yours.

1) Where would you put the actions that were done by them after Pakistan classified them as terrorists and before Mumbai attacks ?
The alleged masterminds of the Mumbai attacks from the LeT are under arrest and awaiting prosecution - that is in line with my opinion.

There is no evidence against the JuD and Hafiz Saeed (support for terrorism) that I am aware of. I would have preferred that neither teh JuD was banned nor Saeed jailed. However, I understand that Pakistan had to fulfill its obligations to the UN and ban the JuD.
2) How would you classify actions by India if it acted extra-territorially? India classified them as terrorists earlier than Pakistan. If India announced a bounty LeT people (I think there are a few outstanding) and then took them out, would you consider those actions a) Terrorism b) acts of war or c) legal, since international courts approve of that ?
Any action supported or perpetrated by the GoI in Pakistan without the consent of the GoP would be a violation of Pakistan's sovereignty and an act of aggression.
 
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