Can Muslims be Secular Liberal?

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Why have an arbitrary rule such as age of consent?

I am not a lawyer nor do I make these rules

 

[AZMwi]

What do yawl think, please post for and against!

Thanks


This is for educational purposes only.

What do yawl think, please post for and against!

Thanks


This is for educational purposes only.

secularism does not believes in the concept of religion, God, judgment day etc.
liberalism believes religion is outdated and wants to change it according to its own desires.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Indonesia,Turkmenistan,Azerbaijan,Turkey,Kazakhstan,Albania, Bosnia, Jordon,Senegal, and a dozen more absolute Muslim majority countries in the world who consider themselves secular republics
So vast majority of Muslim countries in the world are largely secular in nature

Or if Pakistanis are better Muslims than vast majority of Muslims countries around the globe
Than that's another thing

 

[Paitoo]

The key concept under secularism is 'neutrality'. At a personal level being secular is somewhat of a paradox for a person following any religion, because choosing one religion over the other is a negation of neutrality. However, in a more pragmatic sense, one can be secular as long as one is accommodative of other peoples' belief systems and does not apply any discrimination.

At a state level, defining secularism is very simple - separation between religion and affairs of the state. In this sense, there are Muslim countries which are secular.

Liberalism is more prone to interpretations and is often tied to culture and therefore suffers from relativeness. Unless muslims (or followers of any other religion) have total consensus on what actions and behaviour their religion requires of them, it is rather difficult to argue on this.

 

[Indos]

True secular is in USA where government cannot intervene in religious matter.

Difficult to happen in Democratic Muslim countries, only can happen in authoritarian Muslim countries with secular Leader. Soeharto for instant ban the use of hijab within civil servants and military, but after Indonesia embrace democracy the ban is lifted and Today majority of our soldiers wife wear hijab. Some women soldiers also wear hijab.

Air Force wife organization

Army

Navy

Some women soldiers with hijab

 

[dBSPL]

Do you see Turks as Muslims?

 

[Vapnope]

UAE has essentially turned secular. So are we gonna question their faith now?

 

[dBSPL]

Liberal or secular Muslims sirf naam ka Muslim hon ga

Here is a typical bigot mantality. We have them in my country too. He is probably sees himself such a 'great' Muslim that find right himself for declaring what he wants as irreligious, just like the inquisition mentality.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Here is a typical bigot mantality. We have them in my country too. He is probably seem himself such a 'great' Muslim that find rgiht himself for declarring what he wants as irreligious, just like the inquisition mentality.

He wrote the sentence in Roman Urdu though...

Do you see Turks as Muslims?

Islamist don't - political Muslim sure
But not considered proper Muslim

 

[vi-va]

True secular is in USA where government cannot intervene in religious matter.

Difficult to happen in Democratic Muslim countries, only can happen in authoritarian Muslim countries with secular Leader. Soeharto for instant ban the use of hijab within civil servants and military, but after Indonesia embrace democracy the ban is lifted and Today majority of our soldiers wife wear hijab. Some women soldiers also wear hijab.

Air Force wife organization

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Army

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Navy

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Some women soldiers with hijab

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Some women didn't wear hijab. Is it going to be an issue for her?

Do you see Turks as Muslims?

No. I don't think so.
If your definition of Turks only include those in East of Turkey, they may be Muslim.
The west of Turkey are secular.

Majority of Central Asia countries are not Muslim, imo. They drink a lot of liquor.

 

[Indos]

Some women didn't wear hijab. Is it going to be an issue for her?
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Majority of Central Asia countries are not Muslim, imo. They drink a lot of liquor.

We dont impose anything to our women, they are free to wear or not wear hijab. It is also inline what has been stated in Quran that "should not be any compulsion in religion."

And secondly, 10 percent of Indonesian are either Christian, Catholic, Hindu, and Budhist, so those women who dont wear hijab could be Muslim and Non Muslim as well

Central Asia is Muslim but they have been under USSR for long, so their Islam is just reviving, needs time............

 

[ARMalik]

Threads like these, including one where the bloke was asking if Girlfriend Boyfriend relationship is better than Marriage, has convinced me 110% that in the next 50-years, the religion of Islam will be dead in Pakistan or it will be so mutilated by such donkeys that it will be nothing like the original. You are either a Muslim or you are NOT. There is NO MIDDLE GROUND.

It would be a sad end but it is coming very, very quickly. Remember, God doesn't need Donkeys like you to defend his religion, HE WILL FIND WAYS AND OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THIS. But as far as Pakistan is concerned, it will be coming to its logical end in this country !!

 

[JackTheRipper]

No Suck-ular way!

Nope. Period. Muslims can only be Islamic. Nothing else.

Not secular.
Not Extremist.
Not terrorist.
Not Liberal.
Not gay.
Not lesbian.
Not Communist.
Not rapist.
Not murderer.
Not pedophile.
Not Marxist.

Only Islamic.

Ok

ISIS, Taliban, Al Qaeda are Jews? not Muslims..? Lol, You are living in fools world

 

[HammerHead081]

I mean i am the kind of person whos believes that following the five pillars of islam is enough, for the rest of things, use your own brain. Also believe that government should be totally separate from religion.

This is being a liberal muslim, isn't it?

 

[JackTheRipper]

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secularism does not believes in the concept of religion, God, judgment day etc.
liberalism believes religion is outdated and wants to change it according to its own desires.

secularism

the principle of separation of the state from religious institutions.

In simple word, in Secularism, all are equal, it does not matter what is their religion, state can not take side of any one religion...