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DYESS AIR FORCE BASE, Texas (AFNS) -- Two 317th Airlift Group C-130J Super Hercules successfully employed air-to-air tactics against an F-16 Fighting Falcon during a training exercise July 23,, en route to Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth, Texas.

This exercise demonstrated the C-130J capabilities that will be used during Red Flag-Alaska, where more than 100 aircraft will participate in multiple exercises.

"We replicated a realistic air threat C-130J aircrews can expect to face at Red Flag-Alaska," said Lt. Col. Brian Storck, 457th Fighter Squadron F-16 pilot and aggressor to the C-130Js. "This operation showed the C-130J can survive against an advanced air threat."

The crew of each C-130J consisted of two to three pilots and a loadmaster. The loadmasters sat high in the flight decks of their aircraft, looking through a bubbled window in the ceiling. They communicated to the pilots who reacted and maneuvered to ensure the safety of their aircraft. The goal was to delay the fighter pilot's ability to locate the C-130Js.

"This training was educational and helped me realize there's more to being a loadmaster than what we normally do," said Airman 1st Class Jacob Betts, 40th Airlift Squadron loadmaster. "It was remarkable to engage in defensive tactics we normally don't operate in."

On board the C-130Js, the sound of the radio chatter in the headset was constant, as the loadmaster relayed instructions that resulted in "roller coaster-esque" movements, revealing how fast the J-model can react when in the face of danger.

"The average person doesn't expect a 130,000-pound cargo plane to be able to maneuver as nimbly as the J-model does," said Maj. Aaron Webb, 39th AS assistant director of operations for tactics. "It may seem like we were reacting slowly, but our counter tactics against an area of engagement are pretty effective."

The attainment of these goals would not have been possible without teamwork amongst the pilots and the loadmasters.

"The aircrews learned how to work as a team and to defend their aircraft should an aggressor impose an attack," Webb said. "In the state of current events, it's absolutely imperative to train our aircrews to be prepared for any threat, both on the ground and in the air."

This was the first time the 317th AG engaged in this type of air training in cohesion with the 457th FS. More opportunities for these exercises are expected to continue; until then, the aircrew members who participated will pass on what they learned from this experience to other aircrews.

"The 317th Airlift Group is very unique in that we're small enough to rapidly adjust to real-time mission pressures, but we're large enough to where we make a difference," Webb said. "The culture here is to be the best you can possibly be and that is what we strive to do."
C-130JS TEST TACTICS AGAINST F-16 - Intelligent Aerospace
 
Impromptu procedure used like this years ago. WWII, and so on pilots have had people stand up in Cargo aircraft to warn them of approaching fighters.
 
DYESS AIR FORCE BASE, Texas (AFNS) -- Two 317th Airlift Group C-130J Super Hercules successfully employed air-to-air tactics against an F-16 Fighting Falcon during a training exercise July 23,, en route to Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base Fort Worth, Texas.

This exercise demonstrated the C-130J capabilities that will be used during Red Flag-Alaska, where more than 100 aircraft will participate in multiple exercises.

"We replicated a realistic air threat C-130J aircrews can expect to face at Red Flag-Alaska," said Lt. Col. Brian Storck, 457th Fighter Squadron F-16 pilot and aggressor to the C-130Js. "This operation showed the C-130J can survive against an advanced air threat."

The crew of each C-130J consisted of two to three pilots and a loadmaster. The loadmasters sat high in the flight decks of their aircraft, looking through a bubbled window in the ceiling. They communicated to the pilots who reacted and maneuvered to ensure the safety of their aircraft. The goal was to delay the fighter pilot's ability to locate the C-130Js.

"This training was educational and helped me realize there's more to being a loadmaster than what we normally do," said Airman 1st Class Jacob Betts, 40th Airlift Squadron loadmaster. "It was remarkable to engage in defensive tactics we normally don't operate in."

On board the C-130Js, the sound of the radio chatter in the headset was constant, as the loadmaster relayed instructions that resulted in "roller coaster-esque" movements, revealing how fast the J-model can react when in the face of danger.

"The average person doesn't expect a 130,000-pound cargo plane to be able to maneuver as nimbly as the J-model does
," said Maj. Aaron Webb, 39th AS assistant director of operations for tactics. "It may seem like we were reacting slowly, but our counter tactics against an area of engagement are pretty effective."

The attainment of these goals would not have been possible without teamwork amongst the pilots and the loadmasters.

"The aircrews learned how to work as a team and to defend their aircraft should an aggressor impose an attack," Webb said. "In the state of current events, it's absolutely imperative to train our aircrews to be prepared for any threat, both on the ground and in the air."

This was the first time the 317th AG engaged in this type of air training in cohesion with the 457th FS. More opportunities for these exercises are expected to continue; until then, the aircrew members who participated will pass on what they learned from this experience to other aircrews.

"The 317th Airlift Group is very unique in that we're small enough to rapidly adjust to real-time mission pressures, but we're large enough to where we make a difference," Webb said. "The culture here is to be the best you can possibly be and that is what we strive to do."
C-130JS TEST TACTICS AGAINST F-16 - Intelligent Aerospace
J model of C-130 is the best medium lift cargo aircraft in world.I hope IAF could buy more of them.
 
Impromptu procedure used like this years ago. WWII, and so on pilots have had people stand up in Cargo aircraft to warn them of approaching fighters.
Difference here is that we are going to document, analyze, and formalize what we learned.
 
Difference here is that we are going to document, analyze, and formalize what we learned.
Long time coming I suppose, I guess the USAF is coming to terms with the idea that certain assets may come under enemy ambushes by low cost fighters while operating on humanitarian/supply missions.
 
Does anybody have more on this bubble canopy thing?

I don't think I have ever seen one (or noticed one) on PAF aircraft. Or is it specific to J models.?
 
Does anybody have more on this bubble canopy thing?

I don't think I have ever seen one (or noticed one) on PAF aircraft. Or is it specific to J models.?
This provision is only available in J models.You will not find bubble window in every C-130 J because it can be removed or installed by ground crew according to mission requirement.
 
This provision is only available in J models.You will not find bubble window in every C-130 J because it can be removed or installed by ground crew according to mission requirement.

Where is it located?

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can u post a pic of indian c-130?
 
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Where is it located?

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can u post a pic of indian c-130?
I don't think it is bubble window. The provision for installing bubble canopy is in the ceiling of flight deck of C-130J & as mentioned in above news the loadmasters sat high in the flight decks of their aircraft, looking through a bubbled window in the ceiling.
Here is pic of USAF C-130 J clearly showing bubble canopy over flight deck
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I don't think it is bubble window. The provision for installing bubble canopy is in the ceiling of flight deck of C-130J & as mentioned in above news the loadmasters sat high in the flight decks of their aircraft, looking through a bubbled window in the ceiling.
Here is pic of USAF C-130 J clearly showing bubble canopy over flight deck
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I googled it... seems our models do have bubble windows... :
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Apart from tht all of our C-130s have been upgraded with new engines n avionics .. (we also have an overhauling facility at PAC)... And are also fitted with special mission systems like star Safire and Sabir.
 

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