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Burqa decision ripples across world

Joel Gibson
August 20, 2010

IT WAS just one decision made by one judge in one case in Perth and Judge Shauna Deane was at pains to make that clear.

But the impact of her decision yesterday to order a Muslim woman to remove her burqa in Western Australia's District Court is unlikely to remain so localised.

A prosecution witness known only as Tasneem, 36, has kept her surname a secret but will have to show her face in the fraud trial of a former Muslim school director called Anwar Sayed.
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Mr Sayed's defence team - to their client's apparent dismay - had argued the jury should be able to see her facial expressions.

Tasneem had a ''right to religious expression'', Judge Deane found, but she had to be fair to everyone involved in the trial.

The decision was reported around the world and will be popular in Western Australia, with about 80 per cent of 3000 recent respondents to the watoday.com.au and 6PR radio websites believing the witness should be made to remove her burqa.

But some argue that a burqa-shrouded witness would be similar to others not forced to show their faces in court. ''Consider, for instance, a scenario in which a recent burns victim is called to give evidence. Imagine it is possible for her to remove the protective bandages she wears over her face, but to do so would cause pain and distress,'' Fleur Johns and Jacqueline Mowbray from the Sydney Centre for International Law at the University of Sydney wrote recently.

The Perth case will be seen as a precedent - despite the judge's exhortations - in courts and other public places where bureaucracy grapples with Muslim women who wish to remain faceless.

Tasneem removes her burqa when she visits the doctor, dentist or passes through customs. She and other wearers in Australia have to pull the garment aside when they pose for a photograph for a passport or driver's licence, although road authorities allow the picture to be taken in private by a female staff member.

Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott were drawn into the burqa debate earlier in the election campaign with both describing it as ''confronting''. Ms Gillard even said it hampered court proceedings.

Conservative politicians such as the Reverend Fred Nile and Senator Cory Bernardi have called for broader bans than the one in France, where burqas must be removed in government buildings including schools.

NSW nearly had its own burqa brouhaha last month when Carnita Matthews accused a police officer of removing hers during a random breath test. She was later charged with knowingly making a false statement.

Burqa decision ripples across world
 
The problem can be solved by setting up an official panel of females which may check & confirm her identity.

I don't know why a fuss is being made out of this issue.
 
I thought Burqa isn't mandated by Islam?

DBC the religious beliefs should not be considered here but basic humanitarian rights.

If you want to put on a T-shirt and not a full sleeve one , no one gives me the right to ask you not to wear it.

We have similar issues with NADRA when females go there for ID / Passports / Driver licenses - but there is always female staff present to serve females which avoids problems and preserves their right to observe Veil.
 
this is where religion basically steps into totalitarianism. "i want the right for no man to ever be be able to see me in public. no matter what, no matter if its a court jury". wtf is that?

freedom of religious expression is overrated. Totalitarian non sense which imposes extra costs on others shouldn't be tolerated.
 
this is where religion basically steps into totalitarianism. "i want the right for no man to ever be be able to see me in public. no matter what, no matter if its a court jury". wtf is that?

freedom of religious expression is overrated. Totalitarian non sense which imposes extra costs on others shouldn't be tolerated.

Excuse me mister we are talking about "Progressive societies" not yours where women are paraded naked for 8 kms.
 
DBC the religious beliefs should not be considered here but basic humanitarian rights.

If you want to put on a T-shirt and not a full sleeve one , no one gives me the right to ask you not to wear it.

We have similar issues with NADRA when females go there for ID / Passports / Driver licenses - but there is always female staff present to serve females which avoids problems and preserves their right to observe Veil.

Thanks BB, I wanted clarification for my own understanding. I thought the news report implied it is a religious requirement.

Tasneem had a ''right to religious expression'', Judge Deane found, but she had to be fair to everyone involved in the trial.
 
this is where religion basically steps into totalitarianism. "i want the right for no man to ever be be able to see me in public. no matter what, no matter if its a court jury". wtf is that?

freedom of religious expression is overrated. Totalitarian non sense which imposes extra costs on others shouldn't be tolerated.

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Ah the savior from the religious intolerant !

Now are you familiar with female infanticide or aborting female fetus in India ? It kills millions in India. Ever heard of folks going around with ultra-sonogram and buzz like "spend 600 Rupees now and save 50000 Rupees later. Extra cost in India is million of lives. You should learn about them things, and turn your attention at home instead of trolling here.

You seem to be pretty tolerant of kind of behavior where a woman is treated as a burden.

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If there is a Law that states she has to show her face to the concerned people, than she just has to. If not than she will face contempt charges. Simple as that.
 
It is the same society where they have Nunes to wear Burka but not muslim Womens.....and they still say the freedom of right........If they become naked on roads they are happy (The disguised form or Humanity like animals).....and if a women is covering her self they are not happy.....They want every women in Naked as they minds are poloted all the time.....The is west
 
Excuse me mister we are talking about "Progressive societies" not yours where women are paraded naked for 8 kms.

Look who is talking here...the dude defending "progressive societies" where he has the freedom to voice &/or practice his perverted interpretation of facts!
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The Massive female participation in a force is little more than providing sex for soldiers , which undermines their capabilities.

Burkha has nothing to do with religion or religious expression, its been debated here before and those were the conclusions of many respected members here. So that BS doesnt stand!
As for the other dimwit bringing in Nuns here, its their religious dress code, Burkha is NOT a religious dress code.
 
Look who is talking here...the dude defending "progressive societies" where he has the freedom to voice &/or practice his perverted interpretation of facts!
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Burkha has nothing to do with religion or religious expression, its been debated here before and those were the conclusions of many respected members here. So that BS doesnt stand!
As for the other dimwit bringing in Nuns here, its their religious dress code, Burkha is NOT a religious dress code.

I do not agree with people when they say that few indians are pathetic - but in your case i must agree with them as you cant stop trolling can you?

I was referring to Guerrilla warfare in that Quote which is from another thread & what implications my statement has with this thread ?
 
I was referring to Guerrilla warfare in that Quote which is from another thread & what implications my statement has with this thread ?

Exactly the same "implications" as your quote on some tribals (fvcking morons they are) making 2 ladies walk naked for 8 miles and "progressive societies" has with this thread!

Btw, your previous statement on women soldiers gave it up for ya!
 

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