Burhan Wani’s killing ‘deplorable’, violates Kashmiris’ rights: Pakistan

[unbiasedopinion]

And religion is the only factor that you are using to defend your occupation and your crimes in Kashmi

Totally bogus....There is no religious angel in India's stand. India has been very clear, that religion cannot be the factor for any discussion on Kashmir.

 

[boxer_B]

South China is not our problem. You are bringing something totally irrelevant to Kashmir to defend your occupation and oppression in Kashmir. Our position on SCS is clear. The ASEAN countries should solve the problem by themselves instead of allowing outsiders like India or USA to meddle in between. This is our position on SCS even though it has nothing to do with Kashmir. As for thanks for accepting the fact that you guys have no morale. That is the biggest reason that you would lose Kashmir. You just agreed with what I have been saying all along.

Why are you supporting China's stance on Historical Maps/ nine dashed lines in SCS and then claim its totally irrelevant to Kashmir ? And even then, proof was not presented that Hans actually settled there.

On the other hand, Hindus were and are part of Kashmir demography even before Islam was born.

You cannot wet yours Hands by saying China's position is legitimate and dry in case of Kashmir.

And another hypocrisy, you want intermediary in Kashmir, while in SCS, its matter of ASEAN countries.

What retard is running your foreign policy ?

And none of the 40 civilians that you murderered were holding AK47 or grenade. In civilized countries unlike India civilians are not killed and pellet guns are not used to blind hundreds of civilians.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...behind-stone-pelters/articleshow/53183182.cms

This is from Kashmiri source.

http://thenorthlines.com/grenades-hurled-security-forces-pulwama-two-jawans-injured/

Your selective heartwrenching isn't fooling anyone. When you level whole villages using thousands of pounds of High explosives.

BTW, below is what happens in your brotherly civilized nations.

And you might legitimize Indian position on Kashmir in your own world. Nobody here is in your illogical nonsensical theories about Kashmir. even Kashmiris don't care let alone Pakistanis. You didn't prove anything from Xinjaing or Tibet. They are non issues and totally irrelevant. They have complete different history, dynamics and issues as compared to Indian occupied Kashmir. It is hilarious to think that you are under delusion that you are proving anything by bringing non issues in between the discussion. Bring something from Alaska to prove your psoition on Kashmir. It only exposes your weakness when it comes to Kashmir that you have to run here and there and clutch at straws to prove your point.

No, you are the one clutching at the straws. You are tunneled vision to prove your claim of righteousness. You are the one ignoring history and demography of Kashmir. You are the one that claimed Article 370 removal is useless.

And you are the one who thinks Kashmir is for Pakistan and Muslims even when word Kashmir and Muslims is an oxymoron.

We would only hold plebiscite in AJK when India agrees to holding plebiscite in IOK simultaneously. We have no problem with plebiscite. WE are sure to win anyways since people of AJK are with us. It is India that is afraid of plebiscite since it knows it would lose badly if that happens. You agree to plebiscite in IOK and we would hold it before you. But we all know that would never happen. Deep inside your heart you know that you don't stand a chance in a plebiscite.

You cannot dictate your own terms in holding plebiscite and then fan Kashmir issue in UN every other day. Even exiled Kashmiris hold you responsible for fomenting trouble in the valley.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...ndia-say-kashmiri-leaders-116071600115_1.html

Exiled Kashmiri leaders in Geneva and Brussels have criticised Pakistan for not fulfilling its part of the UN resolutions on Kashmir and have said that Islamabad has no right to point fingers at India when it itself remains in violation of the resolutions it so frequently flags and talks about.

Mr Jamil Maqsood, Secretary, Foreign Affairs of the United Kashmir People's National Party, who is currently based in Brussels, said, "Since the Pakistan Army continues to occupy large parts of Kashmir in defiance of the UN resolutions, it has no right to talk about the implementation of the UN resolutions whose first condition is the de-militarisation of areas held by the Pakistan Army."

 

[Areesh]

Why are you supporting China's stance on Historical Maps/ nine dashed lines in SCS and then claim its totally irrelevant to Kashmir ? And even then, proof was not presented that Hans actually settled there.

We are saying it is irrelevant to Kashmir since it is irreverent to Kashmir. You can bring it a hundred time. Still it would remain irrelevant to Kashmir. You are bringing irreverent because you have nothing to defend for your occupation and oppression. Kashmiri resistence against you has already made your position vulnerable and weak. No SCS is going to change that.

On the other hand, Hindus were and are part of Kashmir demography even before Islam was born.

Majority of Kashmir is muslim today. Even if all of the kashmiri pandits re send back to valley they would remain a tiny minority. So cut me this cr@p. Hinduism also had connection with Pakistan and BD. Today they muslims and that's what matters.

You cannot wet yours Hands by saying China's position is legitimate and dry in case of Kashmir.

Irrelevant issues. Today it is SCS. tomorrow you would bring Syria war to defend your occupation in Kashmir. Nobody here in Pakistan considers that these events have any relevance or importance with Kashmir.

And another hypocrisy, you want intermediary in Kashmir, while in SCS, its matter of ASEAN countries.

Yeah because Kashmir has UN resolutions. SCS again is irrelevant. Just like Kashyapa. It is irrelevant today.

What retard is running your foreign policy ?

Someone who understands the simple logic that Kashmir and SCS have nothing in common and are totally irrelevant. Something you don't want to understand. Something any sane mind would understand.

This is from Kashmiri source.

When you kill 40 civilians and blind hundreds more then people obviously are not going to hurl roses on you. It is obvious that they would hurl grenades. Stop being in delusions. Accept ground realities. Accept people don't want to live with you. Start the process of plebiscite and give them independence or try to win their minds. There is no third option.

Your selective heartwrenching isn't fooling anyone. When you level whole villages using thousands of pounds of High explosives.

BTW, below is what happens in your brotherly civilized nations.

Meaningless and irrelevant. Not going to impress anyone here. Sorry.

No, you are the one clutching at the straws. You are tunneled vision to prove your claim of righteousness. You are the one ignoring history and demography of Kashmir. You are the one that claimed Article 370 removal is useless.

And you are the one who thinks Kashmir is for Pakistan and Muslims even when word Kashmir and Muslims is an oxymoron.

No dear it is you who is clutching at straws. You want to remove article 370? Remove it. You are welcome to remove article 370. It is the only connection that exists between Kashmir and India. Remove it. Even Omar Abdullah and Mehbooba Mufti won't accept it let alone any random Kashmiris.

And there are many areas that have hindu names and are part of Pakistan. So we don't give a f*ck about Kahsmir and its name.

You cannot dictate your own terms in holding plebiscite and then fan Kashmir issue in UN every other day. Even exiled Kashmiris hold you responsible for fomenting trouble in the valley.

We are not dictating anything dear. These so called Kashmiri leaders and you should also know a few ground realities.Pakistan has no problem with plebiscite. It would fulfill all the conditions as per UN resolutions once India would be ready for plebiscite in IOK. It is hilarious to expect Pakistan to hold plebiscite while India is running away from it despite promising it. Once India would accept ground realities and stop being a delusional fool calling Kashmir its integral part then Pakistan would be ready to hold plebiscite or fulfill its conditions. Before that we would wait for India to regain its sanity that it has lost in past few decades.

Totally bogus....There is no religious angel in India's stand. India has been very clear, that religion cannot be the factor for any discussion on Kashmir.

Read your compatriots posts to read religious angle. Even if there is no religious angle. Kashmir is still a disputed territory that India is forcefully occupying by oppressing local population. Nothing can change that.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Read your compatriots posts to read religious angle. Even if there is no religious angle. Kashmir is still a disputed territory that India is forcefully occupying by oppressing local population. Nothing can change that

Why should I read his, when your commented on mine with religious angle.. I didnt bring the religion..
But even now If I read this post of your, seems you were saying since muslims are majority now, it does not matter what the past was. Is this the basis of your argument. If that is it, then Kashmir is currently with india, do what ever you want to do. Slowly and steadly, all these noise makers will shut their mouth. it is a long process, but it will happen.

 

[boxer_B]

We are saying it is irrelevant to Kashmir since it is irreverent to Kashmir. You can bring it a hundred time. Still it would remain irrelevant to Kashmir. You are bringing irreverent because you have nothing to defend for your occupation and oppression. Kashmiri resistence against you has already made your position vulnerable and weak. No SCS is going to change that.



Majority of Kashmir is muslim today. Even if all of the kashmiri pandits re send back to valley they would remain a tiny minority. So cut me this cr@p. Hinduism also had connection with Pakistan and BD. Today they muslims and that's what matters.



Irrelevant issues. Today it is SCS. tomorrow you would bring Syria war to defend your occupation in Kashmir. Nobody here in Pakistan considers that these events have any relevance or importance with Kashmir.



Yeah because Kashmir has UN resolutions. SCS again is irrelevant. Just like Kashyapa. It is irrelevant today.



Someone who understands the simple logic that Kashmir and SCS have nothing in common and are totally irrelevant. Something you don't want to understand. Something any sane mind would understand.

Doesn't matter how many times you harp irrelevant, Your "irrelevant" is irrelevant here. You are imposing your point of view without being logical.

Whether its Kashmir or SCS, two plus two will remain four. On top of that, Pakistan is going to the same Court of Arbitration in Hague for IWT whose judgement was rejected by China with Pakistan's support.

LOL, Start your opening statement with "SCS judgement is irrelevant in this proceeding"

When you kill 40 civilians and blind hundreds more then people obviously are not going to hurl roses on you. It is obvious that they would hurl grenades. Stop being in delusions. Accept ground realities. Accept people don't want to live with you. Start the process of plebiscite and give them independence or try to win their minds. There is no third option.


Meaningless and irrelevant. Not going to impress anyone here. Sorry.

Your point is null and void. Check the date on articles. These attacks were happening way before causalities.

Anyone who challenges writ of state is put down more ruthlessly than what Indian Police have done. And do you know how many security personals have been injured? Two can play victim card game.

No dear it is you who is clutching at straws. You want to remove article 370? Remove it. You are welcome to remove article 370. It is the only connection that exists between Kashmir and India. Remove it. Even Omar Abdullah and Mehbooba Mufti won't accept it let alone any random Kashmiris.

And there are many areas that have hindu names and are part of Pakistan. So we don't give a f*ck about Kahsmir and its name.

Tell this to Kashmiris with Hindu surname. Changing that will be a good start.

We are not dictating anything dear. These so called Kashmiri leaders and you should also know a few ground realities.Pakistan has no problem with plebiscite. It would fulfill all the conditions as per UN resolutions once India would be ready for plebiscite in IOK. It is hilarious to expect Pakistan to hold plebiscite while India is running away from it despite promising it. Once India would accept ground realities and stop being a delusional fool calling Kashmir its integral part then Pakistan would be ready to hold plebiscite or fulfill its conditions. Before that we would wait for India to regain its sanity that it has lost in past few decades.

Conditions of both nations are evident which shows who is saner and who is insane.

Why don't you accept pre-condition in UN that we will vacate P0K if India conducts plebiscite? That's the only obligation Pakistan has to fulfill. And what are you worried about ? You have NASR.

Read your compatriots posts to read religious angle. Even if there is no religious angle. Kashmir is still a disputed territory that India is forcefully occupying by oppressing local population. Nothing can change that.

Pakistan and Sunnis in Kashmir already gave it religious angle by forcing Pandits out of Valley.

I only legitimized India's stand. Most Pakistani's are proud of fact that Muslims ruled India for 1400 years. Even naming missiles on name of invaders What will be the next missile from Pakistan? Indira Gandhi missile or General Manekshaw missile ?

India is a secular state, it will never play religious card in Kashmir conflict, However, it's religious annexation from so called Kashmiri point of view. It always was. And water.

Kashmiri life isn't more expensive for Pakistan than India.

 

[Areesh]

Why should I read his, when your commented on mine with religious angle.. I didnt bring the religion..
But even now If I read this post of your, seems you were saying since muslims are majority now, it does not matter what the past was. Is this the basis of your argument. If that is it, then Kashmir is currently with india, do what ever you want to do. Slowly and steadly, all these noise makers will shut their mouth. it is a long process, but it will happen.

I didn't bring religious angle either. It is only you guys who brought the religion to this discussion.

Yes Kashmir is muslim majority today and its past doesn't matter. It is also a fact that Muslim majority of Kashmir won't be changed and f they have decided that they don't want to live with India then nothing in this world can stop them. Slow and steadily freedom movement would only move further. From one generation to another. India is desperate and fighting a war where it sure to lose unless it somehow manages to convince local population to live with it which apparently isn't going to happen.

Doesn't matter how many times you harp irrelevant, Your "irrelevant" is irrelevant here. You are imposing your point of view without being logical.

it is irrelevant. No matter how many times you bring it into the discussion it would remain irrelevant.

Whether its Kashmir or SCS, two plus two will remain four. On top of that, Pakistan is going to the same Court of Arbitration in Hague for IWT whose judgement was rejected by China with Pakistan's support.

Nope. This is not simple mathematics. These are conflicts who that differ from each other on a lot of issues. They have different history. They have different ground realities. They have different conditions and demographics. They have different politics. You can't compare each other. This is not a grade 1 mathematics class.

LOL, Start your opening statement with "SCS judgement is irrelevant in this proceeding"

It sure is irrelevant when it comes to Kashmir issue. You know. Different conflicts Different situations. One can't be applied to other.

Your point is null and void. Check the date on articles. These attacks were happening way before causalities.

Yeah freedom movement of Kashmir is a continuous process. Anyways you are just pushing Kashmiris towards militancy with your oppression and tyranny. You try to crush them they respond back. In the end it is your occupation of Kashmir that is root cause of all evils.

Anyone who challenges writ of state is put down more ruthlessly than what Indian Police have done. And do you know how many security personals have been injured? Two can play victim card game.

Writ would be challenged. Since Kashmiris are totally alienated an pushed to the wall by Indian occupation there would be resistance. It is you who know need to accept the fact that Kashmiris don't want to live with you and it is India that is forcefully occupying Kashmir against the will of the local population.

Tell this to Kashmiris with Hindu surname. Changing that will be a good start.

Not needed. One can have any surname. It doesn't matter on Kashmir or its freedom movement.

Conditions of both nations are evident which shows who is saner and who is insane.

It is actually situation in IOK that shows who is sane and who has gone insane. It is actually you and your country not us.

Why don't you accept pre-condition in UN that we will vacate P0K if India conducts plebiscite? That's the only obligation Pakistan has to fulfill. And what are you worried about ? You have NASR.

Already answered dear. What is the point of asking the same question again and again. W would fulfill any condition only when India would officially accept to hold plebiscite in its part of occupied territory. If India would keep repeating the bullsh!t of integral part then don't expect Pakistan to fulfill its conditions. Agree to a plebiscite. We would fulfill the conditions within no time. We don't have anything to fear. We would win the plebiscite easily. We know that. It is India that is running away from the plebiscite.

Pakistan and Sunnis in Kashmir already gave it religious angle by forcing Pandits out of Valley.

Aaah. The pundits. The same old excuse and pawns of occupations.

I only legitimized India's stand. Most Pakistani's are proud of fact that Muslims ruled India for 1400 years. Even naming missiles on name of invaders What will be the next missile from Pakistan? Indira Gandhi missile or General Manekshaw missile ?

Irrelevant bullcr@p.

India is a secular state, it will never play religious card in Kashmir conflict, However, it's religious annexation from so called Kashmiri point of view. It always was. And water.

India is a joke of a secular state. Even if it play religious card on Kashmir it would fail. There is no different result for India in any situation.

[QUOT]Kashmiri life isn't more expensive for Pakistan than India. [/QUOTE]

Kashmiri life is cheap for India. That is why it is killing them in dozens.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

I didn't bring religious angle either. It is only you guys who brought the religion to this discussion.

Yes Kashmir is muslim majority today and its past doesn't matter. It is also a fact that Muslim majority of Kashmir won't be changed and f they have decided that they don't want to live with India then nothing in this world can stop them. Slow and steadily freedom movement would only move further. From one generation to another. India is desperate and fighting a war where it sure to lose unless it somehow manages to convince local population to live with it which apparently isn't going to happen.

What ever is today, will be past tomorrow. So, hold your breadth laddy, you will regret if you dont remember your past. Past is to teach lesson, you cannot just forget it. India has learnt its lesson. we have seen one division based on religious line, it aint gonna happen again.. mark my word..

Your claim of muslim majority aligning with you was shattered in 1971.. I dont need to say it again.. It is your past..oh wait a minute, you dont seem to be good in remembering your past, may be we need to repeat it again for you to witness it in your lifetime.

Nope. This is not simple mathematics. These are conflicts who that differ from each other on a lot of issues. They have different history. They have different ground realities. They have different conditions and demographics. They have different politics. You can't compare each other. This is not a grade 1 mathematics class.

You are funny guy.. you contradict your statements in one post. Just above you said past does not matter and now in this section you are putting your whole argument on history..

Already answered dear. What is the point of asking the same question again and again. W would fulfill any condition only when India would officially accept to hold plebiscite in its part of occupied territory. If India would keep repeating the bullsh!t of integral part then don't expect Pakistan to fulfill its conditions. Agree to a plebiscite. We would fulfill the conditions within no time. We don't have anything to fear. We would win the plebiscite easily. We know that. It is India that is running away from the plebiscite.

First vacate the occupied land Mr pakistani. Then we will talk. As per UN resolution there was no condition for any party to commit on anything for plebecite, but pakistan to vacate land is a pre-condition for any progress further. Till you dont vacate the land, your talk of UN plebiscite is bull...

 

[Sage]

The Legend of Burhan Wani will live forever ...!

 

[Areesh]

What ever is today, will be past tomorrow. So, hold your breadth laddy, you will regret if you dont remember your past. Past is to teach lesson, you cannot just forget it. India has learnt its lesson. we have seen one division based on religious line, it aint gonna happen again.. mark my word..

I am not going to mark your words since your words mean nothing. In fact state of India and its bullsh!t statements and policy about Kashmir mean nothing to us. Today Kashmir is under Indian occupation. Tomorrow it would be past. Tomorrow when Kashmir would be free. Tomorrow when Kashmir issue would be resolved for good. Has happened before. Would happen again. Your policies would make sure that they happen again.

Your claim of muslim majority aligning with you was shattered in 1971.. I dont need to say it again.. It is your past..oh wait a minute, you dont seem to be good in remembering your past, may be we need to repeat it again for you to witness it in your lifetime

Typical Bharati facesaving. When nothing works run towards 1971. Yes it is our past. Won't happen again sincr there i no mukti bahini with a thousands of kilometer distance between two wings of Pakistan to help you out this time. This time it is Kahsmiris humiliating bharatis who are clutching desperately to hold on to their occupation.

You are funny guy.. you contradict your statements in one post. Just above you said past does not matter and now in this section you are putting your whole argument on history..

Read the above post again. It was meant for your compatriot who was trying to bring South China Sea to defend your occupation and action in Kashmir. I said you can't defend occupation of Kashmir with South China Sea since both are two different issues with two completely different histories and conditions. So read the post again before finding contradictions in my post.

First vacate the occupied land Mr pakistani. Then we will talk. As per UN resolution there was no condition for any party to commit on anything for plebecite, but pakistan to vacate land is a pre-condition for any progress further. Till you dont vacate the land, your talk of UN plebiscite is bull...

I think I have already explained it. Pakistan would fulfill any condition if and only if India agrees to plebiscite in area under its control. Once you come forward and officially declare that you want to hold plebiscite in Kashmir only then we would vacate any area. Before that forget about it. People of AJK want us to be in AJK. We won't vacate it. If you want Pakistan to vacate then ask your government to accept Kashmir as disputed territory and officially agree to plebiscite to be held in IOK.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

I think I have already explained it. Pakistan would fulfill any condition if and only if India agrees to plebiscite in area under its control.

If you talk abut UN resolution, then first condition for any progress was for Pakistan to vacate without any precondition. Now this is not right. you guys not following UN resolution as well..So bad...you are changing your own stance...

Typical Bharati facesaving. When nothing works run towards 1971.

This is not facesaving..that is the only fact. Many in pakistan have agreed two nation theory was defeated with 1971. Hence your whole logic of kashmir being muslim got defeated as well..

 

[jung41]

Itna hi pyar hai to bula lo na sare burhano ko pak me. Pata Chal jayega unhe be aap ka pyar

 

[Areesh]

If you talk abut UN resolution, then first condition for any progress was for Pakistan to vacate without any precondition. Now this is not right. you guys not following UN resolution as well..So bad...you are changing your own stance...

Pakistan is ready to vacate. But only after India officially agrees to plebiscite in IOK. UN resolution asks Pakistan to vacate AJK. It doesn't say anywhere without any precondition. Pakistan is ready to vacate but only after Indian guarantee. Nobody here trusts mass murderes and killers like you. Or else we would continue to place our forces in AJK to defend it from Indian aggression. Even Karachi agreement allows us to keep forces in AJK. We don't want massacre that India is committing in Srinagar, Pulwama and Barmulla to happen in Muzaffarabad, Mirpur and Rawalkot. People of AJK don't want that.

We never changed our stance. It is you who play with words and terms in UN resolution to run away from plebiscite.

This is not facesaving..that is the only fact. Many in pakistan have agreed two nation theory was defeated with 1971. Hence your whole logic of kashmir being muslim got defeated as well..

It is a facesaving. Two nation theory was never defeated in 1971. BD didn't become a state of India. It is a sovereign state today. There is a big sizeable number of BD population that doesn't like India. Tell me that Two nation theory failed when BD would become your part again. Till then running to 1971 would be a face saving.

So my logic of Kashmir being muslims didn't get defeat or beaten anywhere either.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Pakistan is ready to vacate. But only after India officially agrees to plebiscite in IOK. UN resolution asks Pakistan to vacate AJK. It doesn't say anywhere without any precondition. Pakistan is ready to vacate but only after Indian guarantee. Nobody here trusts mass murderes and killers like you. Or else we would continue to place our forces in AJK to defend it from Indian aggression. Even Karachi agreement allows us to keep forces in AJK. We don't want massacre that India is committing in Srinagar, Pulwama and Barmulla to happen in Muzaffarabad, Mirpur and Rawalkot. People of AJK don't want that.

UN said to vacate whole of princely state of J&K including Baltistan and Giglit and AJk and the area ceeded by Pakistan to China. First vacate it, then we will talk.

Now you come to karachi agreement, when it suits you. if you are talking about UN resolution, the first step is pending your completion.

 

[Areesh]

UN said to vacate whole of princely state of J&K including Baltistan and Giglit and AJk and the area ceeded by Pakistan to China. First vacate it, then we will talk.

Already explained. First officially accept the reality that Kashmir is a disputed territory then any talk of vacating.

Now you come to karachi agreement, when it suits you. if you are talking about UN resolution, the first step is pending your completion.

Both Karachi agreement and UN resolution suits us. You run away from UN resolution we would bring Karachi agreement. You hide behind Karachi agreement we would bring UN resolution.

Our position is clear. Let's see how long bharat mata would act like an ostrich and run away from hard realities.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Already explained. First officially accept the reality that Kashmir is a disputed territory then any talk of vacating.



Both Karachi agreement and UN resolution suits us. You run away from UN resolution we would bring Karachi agreement. You hide behind Karachi agreement we would bring UN resolution.

Our position is clear. Let's see how long bharat mata would act like an ostrich and run away from hard realities.

It is not we running away, it is you who is not fulfilling its own commitment but bringing unnecessary conditions which ever suits you. World does not run on your fancies..
Bharat mata will remain where she is..it is "Jaan se pyara Pakistan" which is confused...