Buddhism and Ashoka responsible for India's decline and hardships

[ifesvr]

Because they, the first three, were decayed and dying civilisations.

Well you are getting there. Why or How did these civilizations or societies in Central Asia/Afghanistan/parts of Pakistan started dying. It was clearly not climate or geography but leadership. Practically everyone in India remembers the first 3 kings of the Mauryan Empire but nobody knows who came after Ashoka!

 

[Laozi]

What is your opinion about this? @Joe Shearer @Laozi

Hi

Though I'm not an authority on this subject but It seems that there is a positive correlation in what is stated.

Sure, One shouldn't criticize any religion but if a religion ignores the whole society and ignores the whole Nation in pursuit of Individual Nirvana then that religion is definitely not meant for the Rulers.

Can you imagine a society which has a total population of Monks living on alms

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Why should we invade? The world has always come to us.

China always gets whacked by outsiders and you need a revolution to get Chinese masses to get along.

Mongols, Muslims, Japanese.

that's funny that the world has always come to you, indeed India is special place that is attractive , sure we got whacked but at least we don't claim to be the peace loving and let invaders got away, we were almost brought Mongol into extinction during Ming Dynasty and if not because of Soviet, Mongol will not longer the name that people will hear oftenly today. And as we deal with Invader with their famous forward policy during 1962, our reaction was swift

Read about Chola empire, How Indians conquered most of the parts of South East Asia.

Also India conquered China through cultural invasion!

I lol'ed Indian cultural invasion, Buddha is from Nepal...Buddhism has never been imposed on China by India, our people love spiritual believe and borrow some idea from outside, we have forged our own identity with the concept of Buddhism, it has nothing to do with India...look at these video, we created our own GODs, we don't worship your.

 

[Sky lord]

Tell me what do you think Buddhist majority regions like Afghanistan, Central Asia, East Turkestan and most of Pakistan not only succumbed to the Muslim invasion but easily converted in whole scale to Islam but India in spite of over 650 years of Islamic rule did not?

Don't forget Persia - it was completely converted in 17 years - and Persia was an advanced civilization.

 

[Loafer]

What an idiot Chinese are.

Islam conquered Arabia in a century. Egypt and Iran in 25 years. The first resistance Islam faced was in India. Even after 1400 years Islam is still minority in subcontinent. In the meantime by sea lanes Islam also occupied Indonesia.

If India had beocme Islamic, Chinese wouldn't even have resisted. China would have been Islamic within 100 years I bet.

It is in deep Chinese interest that India stays Hindu.

And FYI only those parts of India are Islamic which were Buddhist majority or had Buddhism as a state subject.

So Hindus are still as they were while Chinese are communist and others have submitted to Islam or Christianity.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Because they, the first three, were decayed and dying civilisations. You also need to know why what is today Pakistan adopted Islam, and the history of Islam in those parts, Multan and Sindh on the one side, and the Punjab on the other. Please read your history before coming out with glib and superficial analyses.

Would be great if you put in a detail post on this or point to good sources

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Ming Dynasty brought Mongols to extinction? CCP is certainly feeding you people alot of fantasies

Ming Dynasty at its greatest extant did not even expand into Modern Mongolian borders

Apparently chickened out however when India integrated Sikkim in 1975. Guess watching this cowardly response lead to deaths of both Mao and Chou shortly after

You're such ignorant, Mongol in 12xx to 15xx centuries is difference from what is today, at that time their capital was set at Beijing and claimed to rule the entire China, after their defeat by Ming, they were confined and condemned to live in these grassland as today...Mongol is a good example on how we Chinese traited the invaders and set example to the rest of the world.

 

[ifesvr]

You also need to know why what is today Pakistan adopted Islam, and the history of Islam in those parts, Multan and Sindh on the one side, and the Punjab on the other. Please read your history before coming out with glib and superficial analyses.

Well, tell me what's the difference with Punjab and Sindh and Afghanistan and Central Asia. Western Punjab was mostly Buddhist majority. Heck, Taxila was in Punjab. Raja Dahir was an unpopular king because he was a Hindu ruler in a buddhist majority Sindh. Those guys must have later regretted of course cause they had to abandon their religion altogether when Mohammed Bin Qasim invaded.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Lmao

Most of Chinese have Mongol DNA in some part. Indians have their own DNA.

Buddhism or Nepal both have no existence without Hinduism. Buddha himself was a Hindu. Now don't claim he was a Chinese or a Pakistani. Lol

Don't commit civilizational robbery. West had done enough. We are not going to spare anyone now from claiming or taking anything Indic.

or you should say that Mongol has Chinese DNA as for Indian you guys got invaded by Persans, Arab, Greek and Britsh, most of "white" Indian DNA are from these people, only the darky one are the naitve Indian...you should be proud of yourself....LMAO taking about DNA.

And I lol'ed again that Buddha is Indian, at that time there is no such country call India, the subcontinent was fragmented into dozen states and kingdoms. nice try to steal Nepal's heritage.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Well you are getting there. Why or How did these civilizations or societies in Central Asia/Afghanistan/parts of Pakistan started dying. It was clearly not climate or geography but leadership. Practically everyone in India remembers the first 3 kings of the Mauryan Empire but nobody knows who came after Ashoka!

Don't be an absolute idiot. Social decay does not depend on leadership. At this level of knowledge and information, you have to do an undergraduate course in history. Please do your learning on your own. I am not in a position to help you.

Hi

Though I'm not an authority on this subject but It seems that there is a positive correlation in what is stated.

Sure, One shouldn't criticize any religion but if a religion ignores the whole society and ignores the whole Nation in pursuit of Individual Nirvana then that religion is definitely not meant for the Rulers.

Can you imagine a society which has a total population of Monks living on alms

@ifesvr

Here you are. You can hold hands and tell each other you are learned scholars. Bless you both.

LMAO for point 2., it's not because you don't attempted, simply you're not capable...to funny losers are trying to turn argument into their favor with load of excuse.

Is there anything more stupid than an Indian fanboy?

Yes.

A Chinese fanboy.

Why don't you take your infantile behaviour and shove it where the monkey put the nuts? If you have nothing of value to contribute, try not to demonstrate it with a brass band in attendance.

Irony that a Chinese mentions that given Chinese excuse for poor performance against its invaders has been that China was always an inward looking peaceful civilization.

Guess that makes China a civilization of "funny losers are trying to turn argument into their favor with load of excuse"

More or less.

One of the most invaded countries in Asia, and still given to hissy fits when the Japanese go to Yasukuni, still reminding the world of the infamous Nanking Massacre, and yet given to pompous little speeches about others.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

Just look at Buddhist Japan - the most brutal and expansionist empire ever.

Its not the religion, its the people and culture that matters most.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Read about Chola empire, How Indians conquered most of the parts of South East Asia.

Also India conquered China through cultural invasion!

That was not deliberate. There was no grand council of monks siting and saying,"We aren't doing anything in the JAS quarter. Why not invade China culturally?" The fact is that the Chinese found the theology irresistible and adopted it in greater and greater numbers. Let's leave it at that.

Just look at Buddhist Japan - the most brutal and expansionist empire ever.

Its not the religion, its the people and culture that matters most.

Sensible and to the point. Thank you.

that's funny that the world has always come to you, indeed India is special place that is attractive , sure we got whacked but at least we don't claim to be the peace loving and let invaders got away, we were almost brought Mongol into extinction during Ming Dynasty and if not because of Soviet, Mongol will not longer the name that people will hear oftenly today. And as we deal with Invader with their famous forward policy during 1962, our reaction was swift



I lol'ed Indian cultural invasion, Buddha is from Nepal...Buddhism has never been imposed on China by India, our people love spiritual believe and borrow some idea from outside, we have forged our own identity with the concept of Buddhism, it has nothing to do with India...look at these video, we created our own GODs, we don't worship your.

Don't be more of an idiot than people already know. There was no political entity called Nepal, and there was no ethnic division among the tribesmen to whom the Buddha belonged and those lived in the plains. Further, the exact place of the Buddha's birth was in question in the nineteenth century; it was solved decades ago. Read "The Buddha and Dr. Fuehrer" and educate yourself. His reign, his recognition of the defects of Brahminical religion and his responses were embedded deep in Indian cultural history.

You are really painfully stupid and bumptious. It is becoming difficult to read your posts. I think you are a suitable candidate for my ignore list. I cannot afford to get ill reading your bilge.

Don't forget Persia - it was completely converted in 17 years - and Persia was an advanced civilization.

And a decaying one.

Would be great if you put in a detail post on this or point to good sources

Not today. I am nursing a very sick person.

Well, tell me what's the difference with Punjab and Sindh and Afghanistan and Central Asia. Western Punjab was mostly Buddhist majority. Heck, Taxila was in Punjab. Raja Dahir was an unpopular king because he was a Hindu ruler in a buddhist majority Sindh. Those guys must have later regretted of course cause they had to abandon their religion altogether when Mohammed Bin Qasim invaded.

As I said, start reading on your own. Not superficially, but with purpose and direction.

or you should say that Mongol has Chinese DNA as for Indian you guys got invaded by Persans, Arab, Greek and Britsh, most of "white" Indian DNA are from these people, only the darky one are the naitve Indian...you should be proud of yourself....LMAO taking about DNA.

And I lol'ed again that Buddha is Indian, at that time there is no such country call India, the subcontinent was fragmented into dozen states and kingdoms. nice try to steal Nepal's heritage.

God, this guy is too much. With his shallow, superficial knowledge and his smileys as a substitute for information.

@Dungeness tell me: what should I think? That this is representative of Chinese posts?

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

A Chinese fanboy.

Why don't you take your infantile behaviour and shove it where the monkey put the nuts? If you have nothing of value to contribute, try not to demonstrate it with a brass band in attendance.


More or less.

One of the most invaded countries in Asia, and still given to hissy fits when the Japanese go to Yasukuni, still reminding the world of the infamous Nanking Massacre, and yet given to pompous little speeches about others.

True hurt , sorry to bruise your Indian's ego. and don't tell me that India has better history than China, you guys have been the most colonized country in time record by Mughal (500s years) and British (200s years)...and still worship their language as your , and why not go ask Winston Churchill what he had said about India, you simply can't accept the fact that India was not capable to defend itself in ancient time but instead of find a lamb excuse to claim India rarely attempted to go on the offensive against invaders

God, this guy is too much. With his shallow, superficial knowledge and his smileys as a substitute for information.

@Dungeness tell me: what should I think? That this is representative of Chinese posts?

True hurt, go for personal attack won't add anything value into your argument

 

[Loafer]

or you should say that Mongol has Chinese DNA as for Indian you guys got invaded by Persans, Arab, Greek and Britsh, most of "white" Indian DNA are from these people, only the darky one are the naitve Indian...you should be proud of yourself....LMAO taking about DNA.

And I lol'ed again that Buddha is Indian, at that time there is no such country call India, the subcontinent was fragmented into dozen states and kingdoms. nice try to steal Nepal's heritage.

Idiot I said Buddha is a Hindu. Even India or anything Indian is also Hindu.

True hurt , sorry to bruise your Indian's ego. and don't tell me that India has better history than China, you guys have been the most colonized country in time record by Mughal (500s years) and British (200s years)...and still worship their language as your , and why not go ask Winston Churchill what he had said about India, you simply can't accept the fact that India was not capable to defend itself in ancient time but instead of find a lamb excuse to claim India rarely attempted to go on the offensive against invaders



True hurt, go for personal attack won't add anything value into your argument

Every invasion in China has resulted in massacre of Chinese populace. To save your head in shame you bring excuses of the top order like we absorbed them, no one knows them and all BS. Truth is Chinese have been owned completely in history. Today you are owned by European ideology of Communism.

What is Chinese of communism?

India is still the same culture same language same religion same continuity same heritage.

Chinese are kids in civilziation.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Idiot I said Buddha is a Hindu. Even India or anything Indian is also Hindu.



Every invasion in China has resulted in massacre of Chinese populace. To save your head in shame you bring excuses of the top order like we absorbed them, no one knows them and all BS. Truth is Chinese have been owned completely in history. Today you are owned by European ideology of Communism.

What is Chinese of communism?

India is still the same culture same language same religion same continuity same heritage.

Chinese are kids in civilziation.

Hmmmph.

Not a bad post.

Most unexpected.