Britain will have to "think again" about staying in the EU?

[Shotgunner51]

Hammond warns EU partners not to 'snub' UK reform demands - BBC News

Hammond warns EU partners not to 'snub' UK reform demands

Britain will have to "think again" about staying in the EU if other members "snub" its reform demands, the foreign secretary has said.

Philip Hammond told the BBC's Andrew Marr show that, if fundamental change did not happen, the British people would vote to leave.

On Tuesday David Cameron will write to the European Council president, setting out the changes he wants for the UK.

The Vote Leave campaign said his demands were a "dishonest gimmick".

Mr Hammond said Mr Cameron's letter to European Council President Donald Tusk would would set out Britain's argument for reform but it would not include "detailed specific legislative changes".

"We don't want to be excessively prescriptive at the beginning of the discussion. This letter is not the end of the process, it is the beginning of the process," he told BBC1's The Andrew Marr Show.

But he warned the British public would not be "fobbed off with a set of cosmetic alterations to the way the EU works".

And there would have to be "substantive legally-binding change" if the British public were to vote for it in the referendum, adding: "This is about fundamental change in the direction of travel of the European Union."

Other links:

Cameron lays out demands for Britain to stay in EU - Yahoo News
David Cameron sets out EU reform goals - BBC News
UK wants EU to control migrants, protect pound | The Salt Lake Tribune
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[Steve781]

The government has no plans to leave the EU. They just say they do in order to appease those in their own party who are hostile to it.

 

[mb444]

Utter BS.... UK will not be leaving the EU for multitude of reasons.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Utter BS.... UK will not be leaving the EU for multitude of reasons.

Only a fool or people who don't know much about British politics and interests will think we will leave the E.U.

However, our leaders will obviously use this threat of leaving to get more reforms from the E.U that serves our interests(limits/more control on immigration, protecting the pound and London's leading financial role in the world etc), even some reforms the E.U wouldn't have agreed to under normal circumstances(i.e no threat of leaving. lol). It just political games man.

 

[oproh]

UK will not leave, the country is a weakling. Without EU you have 20+ irrelevant countries plus germany, with EU you have that strong influential entity that is slightly on par with the likes of america, Russia and China.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Only a fool or people who don't know much about British politics and interests will think we will leave the E.U.

However our leaders will obviously use this threat of leaving to get more reforms from the E.U that serves our interests(limits on immigration, protecting the pound and London's leading financial role in the world etc) more even better, even some reforms the E.U wouldn't have agreed to in normal circumstances(i.e no threat of leaving.lol). It just political games man.

Yeah I think that's what London is doing, and given the current circumstances high chance that EU will fold to London's demands.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Without EU you have 20+ irrelevant countries plus germany, with EU you have that strong influential entity that is slightly on par with the likes of america, Russia and China.

lol. You seem to be overestimating yourselves and your Russian friend ALOT. Who told you the E.U IS SLIGHTLY AT PAR with Russia and China Do you even know what you are talking about? European powers are still more advanced/developed/ahead of both you and your Russian friend, and they have more world military reach/influence than both of you even today. You seem to be leaving a dream world were you think only your diminished Russian friend and you are the real boss running the show.

 

[waz]

I hope we do bloody leave! The EU is a debacle. Lord god, just look at the finances.

The term sinking ship comes into mind.

It's not up to the government, it's up to the people. The referendum will be an vote to get out. The feeling amongst the British people is one of anger and just simply enough is enough. Anyone thinking those "reforms" will happen is living in cloud cuckoo land. The hedge funds are firmly behind the "out" vote. You know when hey get involved the big guns have come out. The current pot for the campaign stands at £87 million, with the "in" campaign having virtually nothing. Oh they do have Tony Blair running their campaign, remember him? Not many people want to.

 

[Audio]

I hope we do bloody leave! The EU is a debacle. Lord god, just look at the finances.

This money is peanuts on a larger scale which a platform such as the EU can provide...

Was surprised to read the "hedge funds want out comment" especially since the fat cat bankers (Rothschilds) whose magazine i read every week (the Economist) run a thinly veiled "no exit" campaign.

Went to search, best i could find is a "Small group of financiers" according to Bloomberg.

Brexit in the City: Meet the Driven Money Men Backing EU 'Out' Vote - Bloomberg Business

 

[silo]

I hope we do bloody leave! The EU is a debacle. Lord god, just look at the finances.

The term sinking ship comes into mind.

It's not up to the government, it's up to the people. The referendum will be an vote to get out. The feeling amongst the British people is one of anger and just simply enough is enough. Anyone thinking those "reforms" will happen is living in cloud cuckoo land. The hedge funds are firmly behind the "out" vote. You know when hey get involved the big guns have come out. The current pot for the campaign stands at £87 million, with the "in" campaign having virtually nothing. Oh they do have Tony Blair running their campaign, remember him? Not many people want to.

Hi,
My friend,one must be a "fool" to think the UK will leave the EU,of course the UK by probably taking this decision is just pressuring the EU to get (as we say) a greater part of the cake. (as @mike2000 is back pointed out)

The consequences of leaving EU would be negative for the UK. (I think)

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According to a German report :

If the United Kingdom (UK) exits the EU in 2018, it would reduce that country’s exports and make imports more expensive. Depending on the extent of trade policy isolation, the UK’s real gross domestic product (GDP) per capita would be between 0.6 and 3.0 percent lower in the year 2030 than if the country remained in the EU. If we take into account the dynamic effects that economic integration has on investment and innovation behavior, the GDP losses could rise to 14 percent. In addition, it will bring unforeseeable political disadvantages for the EU

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Do the British people know the real consequences of leaving EU ? The impact ? Why do they want to leave EU ? Immigration?

 

[waz]

This money is peanuts on a larger scale which a platform such as the EU can provide...

Was surprised to read the "hedge funds want out comment" especially since the fat cat bankers (Rothschilds) whose magazine i read every week (the Economist) run a thinly veiled "no exit" campaign.

Went to search, best i could find is a "Small group of financiers" according to Bloomberg.

Brexit in the City: Meet the Driven Money Men Backing EU 'Out' Vote - Bloomberg Business

The money isn't peanuts, it can be used within the UK. At this point in time there are cuts to policing, teaching, the NHS and so forth. That's a hard pill to swallow for many Brits, whilst billions go to the EU. As for the money it can provide, the level of world trade for the EU has fallen. In the month of June, trade figures read Just 45.1pc of the goods that the UK exported, that month went to the EU, down from 52pc in the previous year. The world around us is becoming more important.
The Standard ran a piece on the hedge funds. I'll scan it and put it up here. I used to work in the city, and there is real anger at the curbs the EU is trying to impose on our financial market. That's also part of the reform agenda.

 

[Audio]

Why do they want to leave EU ? Immigration?

There's more or less the same amount of EU citizens living in UK as is UK citizens in the EU. With the added caveat that UK citizens are largely elderly and EU citizens are largely younger and still in labor force.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5cd640f6-9025-11e3-a776-00144feab7de.html#axzz3rDlmX2Xm

Revealed: thousands of Britons on benefits across EU | UK news | The Guardian

 

[waz]

Hi,
My friend,one must be a "fool" to think the UK will leave the EU,of course the UK by probably taking this decision is just pressuring the EU to get (as we say) a greater part of the cake. (as @mike2000 is back pointed out)

The consequences of leaving EU would be negative for the UK. (I think)

-
According to a German report :

If the United Kingdom (UK) exits the EU in 2018, it would reduce that country’s exports and make imports more expensive. Depending on the extent of trade policy isolation, the UK’s real gross domestic product (GDP) per capita would be between 0.6 and 3.0 percent lower in the year 2030 than if the country remained in the EU. If we take into account the dynamic effects that economic integration has on investment and innovation behavior, the GDP losses could rise to 14 percent. In addition, it will bring unforeseeable political disadvantages for the EU

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Do the British people know the real consequences of leaving EU ? The impact ? Why do they want to leave EU ? Immigration?

Silo my friend, with each coming year the UK is reducing its level of exports to the EU and increasing them to trading partners around the world. There will be no trade isolation, this is scare mongering. Free trade agreements will stay remain in place and the UK buys more goods than it sells to Europe. We have one of the most dynamic consumer markets in the world, you don't stop trading with that.
The British people are firmly aware of the consequences and the country did very well before the EU. There are a multitude of reasons for leaving the UK. If the reforms however are accepted, then the bulk of the people may decide to stay.

 

[Audio]

The money isn't peanuts, it can be used within the UK. At this point in time there cuts to policing, teaching, the NHS and so forth. That's a hard pill to swallow for many Brits, whilst billions go to the EU.

When was there ever enough money for everyone?

Also:

Professor Myddelton: I have been observing British Governments waste money for 50years and more, so the idea that there is a huge difference between the EU wasting money and the British Government wasting money is a mistake.

The economic and financial costs and benefits of UK's EU membership inquiry - UK Parliament

2nd PDF, at the very bottom

As for the money it can provide, the level of world trade for the EU has fallen. In the month of June, trade figures read Just 45.1pc of the goods that the UK exported, that month went to the EU, down from 52pc in the previous year. The world around us is becoming more important.

Factsheet 2 - Benefits of EU membership outweigh costs - CBI

Look, am not in the mood of going around hunting for numbers atm, i'll just say i don't think you'll leave.

 

[livingdead]

The government has no plans to leave the EU. They just say they do in order to appease those in their own party who are hostile to it.

not everything goes as per plan.. nobody thought scottish referendum will win 45 percent support for yes....
govt was in panic during final week, throwing everything at them scots hoping they will bite the bait.

I am expecting similar panic if tide turns and mood becomes anti european.. cameron will find it difficult to justify to british public to remain within union.. especially if he gets nothing.