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September 1, 2013 | By USMAN ANSARI

ISLAMABAD — Brazil and Pakistan have begun to explore ways to expand their defense industrial relations.

The move could broaden the market for Brazilian arms and help Pakistan widen the range of its defense suppliers, analysts said.

Brazil’s ambassador to Pakistan, Alfredo Leoni, and Pakistan’s federal minister for defense production, Tanveer Hussain, met here in early August to discuss the increased cooperation.

“The scope of relations between the two countries is quite vast. The need is to collaborate, extend support and establish relations in areas of defense production,” Leoni told the Associated Press of Pakistan.

Brazil has a generally more high-tech defense industry than Pakistan, but observers say greater industry cooperation could be mutually beneficial.

“Brazil-Pakistan defense ties seem to be driven by a commercial interest, but have a broader political-strategic side,” said Antônio Sampaio, a research analyst for Latin American issues at the International Institute for Strategic Studies.

“Brazilian interest in the Pakistani defense market fits into Brasilia’s broad strategy of securing buyers for the country’s growing defense industry,” he said, which is “a strategic priority to stimulate a technologically advanced base for economic growth.”

New programs such as the Embraer-led KC-390 airlifter give Brazil a pressing reason to expand its markets, Sampaio said.

Pakistan is also “a key emerging country, acting in several international arenas that Brazil sees as strategically important for its foreign goals,” he said.

Improving commercial and political ties with such states “is a key objective as [Brazil] seeks a greater influence in world affairs,” he said. “In this front, the sheer volume of trade between Brazil and Pakistan is considered low (less than US $300 million in 2012), although it has grown rapidly in recent years.”

Trevor Taylor, a professorial fellow at the Royal United Services Institute and expert in defense industries, said it is natural for the two countries to to improve defense relations.

“Pakistan is not under any UN or EU conventional arms embargo and there is therefore no reason why Brazil, which is trying to build a significant range of defense industrial capabilities with only a limited national defense budget, should not seek to market in Pakistan,” he said. “Brazil will presumably be wary, however, of offering things that might put at risk its nuclear submarine cooperation with France and the success of its commercial aircraft business in Western markets.”

Taylor thinks Pakistan’s motives are more straightforward: “Pakistan for its part must be interested in widening its range of defense suppliers while not damaging its ties with China.”

Pakistan’s most high-profile purchase from Brazil thus far is a 2008 deal for 100 Mectron MAR-1 anti-radiation missiles to equip Pakistan’s Mirage and JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft. Deliveries are underway and the missile has already been integrated onto Mirage.

Usman Shabbir, an analyst with the Pakistan Military Consortium, said another missile may be in Pakistan’s sights already.

“I am sure we will see the A-Darter short-range missile in [Pakistan Air Force] service once production commences in 2014,” he said. The missile is being developed by Mectron in cooperation with South Africa’s Denel Dynamics.

Shabbir said it may be some time, however, before Brazil can offer a greater variety of defense products that would interest Pakistan.

“Pakistan, on the other hand, can supply anything from small arms and ammo to tactical and medium range UAVs,” he said.

Analyst and former Australian defense attaché to Islamabad Brian Cloughley said that although the recent meeting was likely more of a “courtesy call,” the two countries’ defense industrial relationship will improve in time, and small arms may be a way to start for Pakistan.

Brazil, Pakistan Look To Expand Industrial Ties | Defense News | defensenews.com
 
We have been hearing about A-Darter for a while.

Apart from SD-10, and other PL missiles, which other air to air missiles is JF-17 equipped with?
 
Pakistan should offer strategic alliance to all BRICs, Brazil,Russia, India and China.

Whether India takes it is different matter, but i think Russia and Brazil are realizing the importance of Pakistan's location next to the Persian gulf. It's a gateway to Central Asia, where most of the countries have been growing slowly but surely
 
We have been hearing about A-Darter for a while.

Apart from SD-10, and other PL missiles, which other air to air missiles is JF-17 equipped with?
Is it true that Pakistan now produces the MAR-1 missile under license or ToT?
 
Pakistan should offer strategic alliance to all BRICs, Brazil,Russia, India and China.

Whether India takes it is different matter, but i think Russia and Brazil are realizing the importance of Pakistan's location next to the Persian gulf. It's a gateway to Central Asia, where most of the countries have been growing slowly but surely

We should join BRICS and SCO, Russia and China already support us in SCO.
 
Pakistan should offer strategic alliance to all BRICs, Brazil,Russia, India and China.

Whether India takes it is different matter, but i think Russia and Brazil are realizing the importance of Pakistan's location next to the Persian gulf. It's a gateway to Central Asia, where most of the countries have been growing slowly but surely

Strangely Pakistani current and previous government was oblivious about the "importance of Pakistan's location next to the Persian gulf."
 
Is it true that Pakistan now produces the MAR-1 missile under license or ToT?

NO,

MAR-1 ARM has been integrated on Mirage III/5 ROSE fighters while efforts are on to do the same with JF-17s. Once it's done and the first missiles are delivered to PAF by Mectron in 2014, Pakistan may push for ToT.

R-Darter BVR missiles & MAA-1A Piranha SRAAMs are currently in PAF service. Pak will get Mectron MAR-1 ARM, A-Darter SRAAM, MAA-1B Piranha SRAAMs in future.
 
NO,

MAR-1 ARM has been integrated on Mirage III/5 ROSE fighters while efforts are on to do the same with JF-17s. Once it's done and the first missiles are delivered to PAF by Mectron in 2014, Pakistan may push for ToT.

R-Darter BVR missiles & MAA-1A Piranha SRAAMs are currently in PAF service. Pak will get Mectron MAR-1 ARM, A-Darter SRAAM, MAA-1B Piranha SRAAMs in future.


I believe the initial batch of 100 MAR 1 was delivered to PAF a year or two back. I think it was the MAR 1A version.
 
Nope, Those were training rounds, Live rounds delivery will began next year.

Not sure but sure lay it doesn't take 6 years to deliver 100 missiles ... also an mou was also signed for the. B version..and from the talks,rumours the first priority was for JF... not entirely sure abt the last part though..
 
Not sure but sure lay it doesn't take 6 years to deliver 100 missiles ... also an mou was also signed for the. B version..and from the talks,rumours the first priority was for JF... not entirely sure abt the last part though..


Missile development phase ended early 2013 and production phase started in mid to late mid 2013.

When PAF signed the deal, missile was still being developed. Hence such a 5-6 year delay from contract to deliver actual War round

Mectron's MAR-1 to be operational in Pakistan next year:

Robert Hewson, Rio de Janeirio:


2013-04-18

Brazil's Mectron will start deliveries of operational MAR-1 anti-radiation missiles to Pakistan next year.

Under a contract announced by Brazil and Pakistan in 2008, Mectron has now completed MAR-1 integration with Pakistan's Mirage III/V aircraft and has also handed over the mission planning, logistics, and support equipment, plus MAR-1 training rounds and simulators to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). However, some final development testing remains to be done with the missile in Brazil. Mectron says once this is completed the way will be clear to deliver fully operational 'warshot' missiles to both Brazil and Pakistan.

"MAR deliveries will begin next year and we have to deliver to Pakistan next year," stressed one Mectron source, pointing to the company's contractual obligations. In December 2008, Brazil's Chamber of Foreign Commerce ( Camara de Comercio Exterior ) approved export funding guarantees for the sale of 100 MAR-1 missiles to Pakistan.

Speaking at the LAAD 2013 defence exhibition, held in Rio de Janeiro from 9-12 April, a senior official stated : "The plans for Brazil and Pakistan are progressing in parallel, but Pakistan is pressing harder because it needs the missile more urgently. In Brazil the FAB [Força Aérea Brasileira] wants to operate the MAR-1 on its A-1M (upgraded Embraer AMX) aircraft and is waiting for that aircraft to be properly established in service so it can do the missile integration work in one pass. For the PAF, the Mirage integration is already finished; that work started in Brazil and was completed in Pakistan."

Mectron has integrated the MAR-1 on the Mirage using a stand-alone weapon controller with a separate computer that is independent of the aircraft's other systems. Mectron notes that while the PAF also plans to integrate the MAR-1 on its JF-17 Thunder lightweight fighters, that work has not yet been placed under contract. "We are not dealing with the Chinese today," said a Mectron official, adding that the Mirage integration work did not involve Dassault or any contact with France.

In November 2012, China's LOEC exhibited a new anti-radiation missile, the LOEC LD-10, that it said was intended to equip aircraft including the JF-17. A Mectron official commented: "We know China is developing an ARM, but we don't know if it works. We know that our missile does."

JDW
 
We have been hearing about A-Darter for a while.

Apart from SD-10, and other PL missiles, which other air to air missiles is JF-17 equipped with?

Problem with A-darter, It is still in development phase.
 
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