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BRAVO! China shipbuilding new orders up over 200% in first half
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You need money for those, a healthy economy is much more important than a few warships.I thought at first it was warships clicked faster than speed of light I wanted to find out whos ordering but than I found it was commericial ships I am just a warship fanatic that is where my interest is at
You need money for those, a healthy economy is much more important than a few warships.
You need money for those, a healthy economy is much more important than a few warships.
What I was saying is to sustain military build up, you need a healthy economy..A strong military is needed to deter criminals. Having money without strong security is asking for disaster.
China should have leanrned this lesson from the Song and Qing dynasties in history where both of them had the world largest GDP but with weak and corrupted military and gov. The results, both Song and Qing were humiliatingly defeated by the barbaric Mongols and British.A strong military is needed to deter criminals. Having money without strong security is asking for disaster.
China should have leanrned this lesson from the Song and Qing dynasties in history where both of them had the world largest GDP but with weak and corrupted military and gov. The results, both Song and Qing were humiliatingly defeated by the barbaric Mongols and British.
Yes, indeed the Song was the weakest out of all four major dynasties founded by Han Chinese. Maybe, the Qing was the weakest and most corrupt at its late stage.Qing Dynasty is because they fail to modernize in 19th century. In the early-mid period of Qing Dynasty is strong enough.
They winning many expansion campaign (Ten Great Campaigns)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Great_Campaigns
Meanwhile Song Dynasty is much more complicated issue.
They didn't have foothold in Northern China (under Liao state at that time). This meant that the Song lacked a good supply of calvary, both in terms of horses and in people with the skills to use them in battle, and thus on the open plains of Northern China they were continually at a huge military disadvantage, and suffered a number of humiliating military reversals, which cemented their reputation as one of the “weakest” Chinese dynasties. (Though arguably, in relative terms the Qing were weaker near their end, and humiliated to an even larger degree).
But relative weakness does not translate into absolute weakness. I have little doubt that if the armies of the Northern Song had faced off with the armies of the Han or Tang dynasties when all three were at their peaks, the Song would have stomped their predecessors without much difficulty.
The Song was an economic powerhouse the likes of which the world had not yet seen to that point, and indeed not matched for quite some time afterwards. Their economic organization had evolved to a surprising modern degree, and they were on the cusp of an industrial revolution of their own before military reversals against the Jin set them back.
Their wealth was also underpinned by an astonishing agricultural productivity which allowed them to support a huge population. China being known for a large population relative to other world powers of its time basically began with the Song. They also pioneered the use of gunpowder weaponry technology, and they possessed an excellent navy.
The Mongols ultimately had to draw upon the resources of their entire empire, bringing in Trebuchets and other Seige warfare techniques from their Middle East conquests, and building a Navy of their own through the recruitment of expertise in the regions of North China they already controlled, before they could overcome the Southern Song defences, meaning that they essentially had to conquer the rest of their empire first before obtaining the resources they needed to overrun the Song.
Indeed, if it were not for the incompetence of their leadership in the final years, it is quite conceivable that they could have held off the Mongols indefinitely, and not been conquered at all.
And those Mongols need almost half of century to conquer Southern Song Empire (44 Years) While others, like Turkic Kievan rus, Arabs, eastern european slav surrender to Mongols in matter of months even days.
But yes, my favorite is Tang Dynasty Even until this day, many Chinese Hokkien people in Indonesia & South East Asia calls themselves as Teng Lang (People from Tang)
Teng Lang /təŋ laŋ/ is another term originating from Hokkien. It literally means ‘the people (lâng) of the Tang (tnĝ ) dynasty.’
https://www.sil.org/system/files/re...48570380267654218017959519/silesr2011_028.pdf
In that time, Chinese Territory successfully reach Aral Sea & Persian Border.
If not because Persian Empire is their Ally, I believe they will expand much further to the west reaching Caspian Sea and Middle East
Tang Empire Territory, Colonies, and Protectorate at its Peak (618-907 A.D)