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Jinnah had charisma of a true leader, but keep in mind he was a human, not an angel. He made many mistakes that i can list. While he didn't end feudal system in Pakistan from day 1, he ignored Kashmir, and the aspirations of Bengalis.

Actually he was an Indian nationalist at first. In Gujrat sabha, he was the president and when Gandhi arrived from South Africa he began with a speech saying 'i'm amused to see a mohammadin (a muslim) controlling a hindu society. Such voice brought a huge dent to Jinnah's heart. This is an example for you. People can change from time.

Right and the only true leader of Pakistan is Nawar right? That's why he tried to become dictator for life in the late 90s by becoming "ameer ul momineen"
Jinnah had the vision and capability to create Pakistan with his hard work despite knowing that he would die soon after.
Nawaz only has the vision to feed his stomach.
Vote for a true leader who has lead his entire life, vote for Imran Khan.
 
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Right and the only true leader of Pakistan is Nawar right? That's why he tried to become dictator for life in the late 90s by becoming "ameer ul momineen"
Jinnah had the vision and capability to create Pakistan with his hard work despite knowing that he would die soon after.
Nawaz only has the vision to feed his stomach.
Vote for a true leader who has lead his entire life, vote for Imran Khan.

Jinnah had a vision to create Pakistan but what happened thereafter ? Feudalism in Pakistan did not end from day 1, Kashmir was not solved, and he didn't listen to aspirations of Bengalis. Before he died, he had enough time to decide his successor. Someone like Liquat Ali Khan is haunting Pakistan to this day. Jinnah will always be my idol, but for his struggle to create this nation. Understand the difference between individual and collective approach.

The fact remains, PTI has people like kasuris, tareens, makhdooms, zafars, khans, nawabs, who were not too long ago lotas in other parties. So much so for a party of 'change'
 
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Jinnah had a vision to create Pakistan but what happened thereafter ? Feudalism in Pakistan did not end from day 1, Kashmir was not solved, and he didn't listen to aspirations of Bengalis. Before he died, he had enough time to decide his successor. Someone like Liquat Ali Khan is haunting Pakistan to this day. Jinnah will always be my idol, but for his struggle to create this nation. Understand the difference.

The fact remains, PTI has people like kasuris, tareens, makhdooms, zafars, khans, nawabs, who were once lotas in other parties. So much so for a party of 'change'

Jinnah had 1 year to start a nation from scratch. he did not have a military, he did not have a civil society he did not have a beurocracy. The only thing Jinnah had was his convictions and with just that he created a nation. Nawaz has been in power for the better part of 30 years, what insitutions has he created? what progress has he made? show me where he took on the the feudals?
You cannot, all you can do is point fingers at others and cry.
Well get used to crying because soon you will be crying alot more.

Everyone in PTI has been elected by the people if you don't like that then that's too bad, but unlike you we have vision, honesty and sincerity. We don't make alliances with terrorist groups to get into power and we don't accept "electables" from Q-league after saying that we won't accept a single one of them.... Noora leage does tho ;)

At the end of the day you people had 30 years to fix Pakistan and all you did was bring it to it's knees. If you enjoy such a corrupt government then please move to Zimbabwe and leave the people of Pakistan alone so they become part of the civilized human society.
 
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Jinnah had 1 year to start a nation from scratch. he did not have a military, he did not have a civil society he did not have a beurocracy. The only thing Jinnah had was his convictions and with just that he created a nation. Nawaz has been in power for the better part of 30 years, what insitutions has he created? what progress has he made? show me where he took on the the feudals?
You cannot, all you can do is point fingers at others and cry.
Well get used to crying because soon you will be crying alot more.

Everyone in PTI has been elected by the people if you don't like that then that's too bad, but unlike you we have vision, honesty and sincerity. We don't make alliances with terrorist groups to get into power and we don't accept "electables" from Q-league after saying that we won't accept a single one of them.... Noora leage does tho ;)

At the end of the day you people had 30 years to fix Pakistan and all you did was bring it to it's knees. If you enjoy such a corrupt government then please move to Zimbabwe and leave the people of Pakistan alone so they become part of the civilized human society.

Jinnah had Muslims on his side. Whatever he did, people died for him. Still don't see my point ? There was strong sense of nationalism back then but having been gifted with such asset, he was not able to find his successor and in the end choose someone like Liquat Ali Khan, who became a nightmare for Pakistan's policies.

Both IK and NS are not Jinnah. Jinnah will always remain Jinnah, known for the creation of Pakistan

Keep telling yourself that. The fact is PTI is not a party of 'change'. You added lotas from all over the place. According to article 62/63, you need a degree to contest in elections. After 2 or 3 rickshaw drivers air themselves on commercials for publicity, PTI will kick them out. Already minority and women wings have raised objections with regards to the the party functioning collectively
 
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Jinnah had Muslims on his side. Whatever he did, people died for him. Still don't see my point ? There was strong sense of nationalism back then but having been gifted with such asset, he was not able to find his successor and in the end choose someone like Liquat Ali Khan, who became a nightmare for Pakistan's policies.

Both IK and NS are not Jinnah. Jinnah will always remain Jinnah, known for the creation of Pakistan

Keep telling yourself that. The fact is PTI is not a party of 'change'. You added lotas from all over the place. According to article 62/63, you need a degree to contest in elections. After 2 or 3 rickshaw drivers air themselves on commercials for publicity, PTI will kick them out. Already minority and women wings have raised objections with regards to the the party functioning collectively

doing what you do best I see, making things up and hoping people are too stupid to question you. I will agree with you on one part, Nawaz is no Jinnah and he never will be ;)

Yes, there was nationalism during the time for Jinnah, but guess what? IT WAS FOR INDIA! All of India was united in getting rid of the British, it didn't matter if you were Muslim, Hindu or Sikh. In the elections of 20s and 30s AIML got only 5-10% of the vote. But Jinnah was smart enough to know that Muslims would be in trouble if we just went with Congress. He literally had to manufacture Pakistani nationalism he had to create a nation. Your Ganja cannot even make a road much less create a nation.

You keep talking about Lotas and 62/63 like you are some angel. How retarded are you that, while you are covered in $hit, you are pointing to mud stains on someone else. You want to talk Lota? how about all the electable on PMLN? Nawaz once said that he would never accept all those PMLQ lotas..... but now his party if filled with them. And while you are making up lies about PTI, your own party workers are setting themselves on fire in front of the media. If you people had any humanity in you, you would be deeply ashamed of that. But instead it's a poor woman so who cares right? poor people are only good to feed on, that is why you don't want them to have any power and crying about PTI ELECTING poor people. Once poor people understand that they have power, Ganja is done for and your whole party will relocate to Saudi. You people are nothing but a parasite to the country and it's poor people, the sooner we cure you the sooner Pakistan will recover :)
 
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doing what you do best I see, making things up and hoping people are too stupid to question you. I will agree with you on one part, Nawaz is no Jinnah and he never will be ;)

Yes, there was nationalism during the time for Jinnah, but guess what? IT WAS FOR INDIA! All of India was united in getting rid of the British, it didn't matter if you were Muslim, Hindu or Sikh. In the elections of 20s and 30s AIML got only 5-10% of the vote. But Jinnah was smart enough to know that Muslims would be in trouble if we just went with Congress. He literally had to manufacture Pakistani nationalism he had to create a nation. Your Ganja cannot even make a road much less create a nation.

You keep talking about Lotas and 62/63 like you are some angel. How retarded are you that, while you are covered in $hit, you are pointing to mud stains on someone else. You want to talk Lota? how about all the electable on PMLN? Nawaz once said that he would never accept all those PMLQ lotas..... but now his party if filled with them. And while you are making up lies about PTI, your own party workers are setting themselves on fire in front of the media. If you people had any humanity in you, you would be deeply ashamed of that. But instead it's a poor woman so who cares right? poor people are only good to feed on, that is why you don't want them to have any power and crying about PTI ELECTING poor people. Once poor people understand that they have power, Ganja is done for and your whole party will relocate to Saudi. You people are nothing but a parasite to the country and it's poor people, the sooner we cure you the sooner Pakistan will recover :)


Jinnah was smart to create Pakistan but that does not change the fact what i had said. He didn't solve feudal system, solve kashmir, and listen to Bengali aspirations. He was a human who did really great things and some really poor things.

Regarding nationalism, i was referring to the creation of Pakistan. We do not have the same sense of unity today. Let me make this clear. Many are torn between PML-N, PTI, PPP, MQM, Army, and Taliban. We have over 105 bloody parties.

Yes Yes for you guys nawaz sharif is more important over Zardari. You PTI fanboys are pooping in your pants because you know PML-N will win in Punjab. :D

Yeah 1 person played with fire but that was an 'attempt'. You guys on the other hand fired AK-47s in dozen districts and god knows injured how many. Where is your humanity ? :lol:

Poor people should be given chance, but they should not be used as a toilet paper. I'm totally against the article 62/63 as no one can cross a certain limit. When your party knew the rules and regulations beforehand, they played dirty politics.

Here is what your youth have to say

http://tribune.com.pk/story/531641/...h-activists-disgruntled-by-ticket-allocation/
 
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Great news. The part i liked the most is that PMN-N brought Balochis and Pashtuns to the same table.

Cb4 we are talking about PML-N not PMN-N whats next voting for PTI :omghaha:
 
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First of all just because PTI did not form any alliance doesn't mean they can't win.
Secondly PTI did not announce their candidate yet so guessing them is a waste of time until announcement. Can you please also state the name of the person you are calling a candidate?
Lastly no one can predict future so assuming PML-N already won is a bit amateurish.

If Mansha Sindhu gets ticket from NA 126 (I had assumed that he already has an assurance, sorry for being presumptuous here), then I would have been correct after all. I am not going to say anymore that this and wait for facts to establish themselves before proceeding.

IK's policy may well work, but in my view it is not going to deliver results like some are hoping. But I do hope that he triumphs in KPK and makes a good opposition leader to keep PML(N) straight.

What kind of drugs are you on?
What compromise?
You are spewing nonsense right now.
If we listen to people like you we would not even have Pakistan. "Jinnah should compromise with Congress and stay with India"
It's really funny when you see a low IQ person trying to give advice to people. It's like a baby trying to talk, even though it's mostly nonsense you just gotta smile and nod until they go away.

My friend opinions of politics are not worth getting so upset about. I am sure you are a nice person, but just not today. We can agree to disagree like gentle educated folks. That would probably be better than acting like internet warriors.

I am stating facts on the ground (apart from my assumption that certain someone has an assured ticket from NA126), and bringing a strawman argument does nothing to dissuade me. There definitely are Kachra politicians in PTI, just like other parties and I do hope that these Kachra people do not overwhelm IK.

Rest easy my friend, I am still voting for PTI - I just do not see them forming federal government this time around. I call it as I see it, not as I want it.
 
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I feel pity on these blind noora supporters for the fact that they simply have nothing to criticize Imran Khan except his personal life. And when they talk about IK's personal life and spit venom, it also backfires, because NS and SS are not saints either, they are even more morally corrupt than IK in their personal lives.. :omghaha:
 
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