Beijing action on CNPC may spur foreign probes

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Beijing's investigation of China National Petroleum Corp executives exposes the country's largest state-owned energy firm to possible probes by the authorities in the United States and Britain under their anti-bribery laws, analysts said.

The investigation is believed to be linked to former security tsar Zhou Yongkang.

Beijing action on CNPC may spur foreign probes | South China Morning Post

I didn't open to bash, I'm genuinly interested in possible ramifications of a potential trial of Zhou Yongkang as this is a person that knows lot's and lot's of dirt about everyone in the upper echelons of the CCP.
So, are they really gonna put him on trial? Or is it just a show, so the people can see top officials being investigated but they won't find anything? Or he has to go because he supported Bo Xilai?

Those are the only three reasons i can think of, though, as i understand it there's some sort of code of honor between the top clique never to expose their own even after a person leaves a position of power.
Chinese members input would be most appreciated, though anyone can ofcourse comment.

 

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Beijing action on CNPC may spur foreign probes | South China Morning Post

I didn't open to bash, I'm genuinly interested in possible ramifications of a potential trial of Zhou Yongkang as this is a person that knows lot's and lot's of dirt about everyone in the upper echelons of the CCP.
So, are they really gonna put him on trial? Or is it just a show, so the people can see top officials being investigated but they won't find anything? Or he has to go because he supported Bo Xilai?

Those are the only three reasons i can think of, though, as i understand it there's some sort of code of honor between the top clique never to expose their own even after a person leaves a position of power.
Chinese members input would be most appreciated, though anyone can ofcourse comment.

China is moving towards reform, and they must make examples of some people. That's just the way it is. There may be a code, but that code only is in effect when everything is rosie, when **** goes down, it's every man woman and child for themselves.

During the previous decade, stability is what the country needs, but to move forward, reform must happen. A new breed of people needs to come into power.

As to an investigation. I won't read too much into it. It's not like any large corps from any country is clean. What's the difference between election donation and bribes, when people on that level do business, they know exactly what they are doing and can always work around it.

Bottom line, if making CNPC's life difficult is going to be for everyone's benefit, then it will happen, if not, then it won't. It's not like pre-investigation, these governments thought that large businesses are saints.

 

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As to an investigation. I won't read too much into it. It's not like any large corps from any country is clean. What's the difference between election donation and bribes, when people on that level do business, they know exactly what they are doing and can always work around it.

Bottom line, if making CNPC's life difficult is going to be for everyone's benefit, then it will happen, if not, then it won't. It's not like pre-investigation, these governments thought that large businesses are saints.

Thanks for the reply.

The difference could be that noone will want to resign from the Politburo Standing Commitee from now on.

I agree it sounds outlandish, but, if the rule to not investigate top officials was broken after a person being investigated left their position, that can only mean their political clout has lessened to a degree their current and former peers see them as vulnerable enough or in a position to be taken out.

So, when others still residing members of the Commitee see this, knowing they all have something to hide, what do you think will be going through their mind? If i stand down i'll get investigated maybe?

As for Zhou Yongkang himself, what are the chances he looses it and starts naming other top officials? Maybe on a televised trial like Bo Xilai's was.

 

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Thanks for the reply.

The difference could be that noone will want to resign from the Politburo Standing Commitee from now on.

I agree it sounds outlandish, but, if the rule to not investigate top officials was broken after a person being investigated left their position, that can only mean their political clout has lessened to a degree their current and former peers see them as vulnerable enough or in a position to be taken out.

So, when others still residing members of the Commitee see this, knowing they all have something to hide, what do you think will be going through their mind? If i stand down i'll get investigated maybe?

As for Zhou Yongkang himself, what are the chances he looses it and starts naming other top officials? Maybe on a televised trial like Bo Xilai's was.

First they won't stand down. They can't. It's like the mob, you can't quit. A politician have people who support them, if he leaves then he's leaving them behind and after all they did to help get him there, they won't like it. Besides, people who make it that far loves power and won't leave.

As to when they do leave, it's not their choice, it's not like they can not leave if they want to. China no longer has a Mao or a Deng, the power is very much divided. It's democracy without democracy.

If they are investigated, it's because they went to far. No one wants to really investigate their colleagues, Chinese politics is pretty stable right now, the revolution fever is all but gone. However if you go too far, no one can protect you.

When they became politicians, they knew the risk and the reward. They don't think it will happen to them, but they know the risks.

The chance he loses it is none, and even if he did, he won't do anything, he can't. His crimes can be either very little or very big, he knows that and he should know what will factor into it.

 

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First they won't stand down. They can't. It's like the mob, you can't quit. A politician have people who support them, if he leaves then he's leaving them behind and after all they did to help get him there, they won't like it. Besides, people who make it that far loves power and won't leave.

As to when they do leave, it's not their choice, it's not like they can not leave if they want to. China no longer has a Mao or a Deng, the power is very much divided. It's democracy without democracy.

You misunderstood me, i'm not talking in general terms. I'm talking about the ones sitting for the 10 year term in the Commitee (Politburo Standing Commitee) of the CCP must stand down as per the rules. And if they'll see on this case that standing down exposes and weakens them in such a way that their successors might throw them under the bus for the sake of their own popularity, imho their motivation to step down and enjoy a happy, rich retirement will be greatly diminished, because that happy and rich retirement will be in danger of never happening to it's fullest extent.

The chance he loses it is none, and even if he did, he won't do anything, he can't. His crimes can be either very little or very big, he knows that and he should know what will factor into it.

Yes, i figured as much, that it's all a bit of a show.

 

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China is moving towards reform, and they must make examples of some people. That's just the way it is. There may be a code, but that code only is in effect when everything is rosie, when **** goes down, it's every man woman and child for themselves.

During the previous decade, stability is what the country needs, but to move forward, reform must happen. A new breed of people needs to come into power.

As to an investigation. I won't read too much into it. It's not like any large corps from any country is clean. What's the difference between election donation and bribes, when people on that level do business, they know exactly what they are doing and can always work around it.

Bottom line, if making CNPC's life difficult is going to be for everyone's benefit, then it will happen, if not, then it won't. It's not like pre-investigation, these governments thought that large businesses are saints.

At least the corrupt people are being Investigated in your country