Bangladesh is losing the battle against terror: WSJ

[Michael Corleone]

The WWII had devastated the British, London was a totally ruined city because of continuous German bombing and it had few domestic resources/manpower that could re-built it. So, they decided to leave its colonies and concentrate on building their own country. They were in a haste to do so in India because of a continuous independence movement mostly.

If they wanted to focus on rebuilding they would rather hold on to the colonies for their resources. -_-

Well there was actually a British plan to bring 100% literacy to whole united India by 1970 or something like that....but independence movement activists rejected it as too slow! Even now (2016) India is just approaching 80% literacy....and Pakistan is still below 60% and Bangladesh somewhere in the middle.

But we can only speculate and think in hypotheticals...whereas back then there was clear evidence of British mismanagement + sheer resource extraction + forced captive market/deindustrialisation...so I don't think we can blame the leaders of the time in wanting to roll the dice with local rule.

But I got to give Brits credit for various things still. They made detailed assays and surveys of say water resources in Tamil Nadu (I saw the old documents with my own eyes)...carefully marking and planning what is there and what will be needed to support the population with adequate water. No such diligence like this was present post-independence....everyone just rushed to do things for political reasons with no proper planning (and TN is actually one of the better run states in India bureaucratically)....only slowly its being rectified in a somewhat haphazard way. One can only imagine if the same momentum of diligence was allowed to be followed in all matters. Thankfully in this modern day there are many shortcuts and aids that are forcing philosophy change from the ground up (people are asking more and more of their local leaders and bureaucrats and are not content with the same gimmicks and promises from before).

Brits if it weren't for them... there wouldn't have been modern day Mumbai and Indian railways etc etc. they took our resources that's true. They have done few very good things in return. Btw Bangladesh's literacy rate is 80 percent. But amount of high school graduates are around 60-70. And amount of university graduates are still around 50. Part of the problem is brain drain in this country. Just like me now... will leave this country for abroad because of how less opportunity we have.

 

[Jackdaws]

You don't cut the branches, you cut the roots. All terrorism related money and thoughts come from the regressive country known as Saudi Arabia - an American ally flush with petro dollars but with the mindset of nomads. They have poured money into spreading hate and radicalizing youth in South Asia and around the world. Sort them out and you will sort the problem in a decade.

 

[Nilgiri]

Brits if it weren't for them... there wouldn't have been modern day Mumbai and Indian railways etc etc. they took our resources that's true. They have done few very good things in return.

The "good things" they did that you mention were more to extract resources and create the necessary captive markets in India for their manufactured goods. It was not done out of a benevolence or desire to see India truly progress. After all they kept the literacy rate pitifully low (it was much much higher when they arrived at Indian shores). It was not by accident.

Btw Bangladesh's literacy rate is 80 percent.

Not according to UNESCO. UNESCO puts it at around 61.5% for 2015.

http://data.uis.unesco.org/Index.aspx?queryid=166

But amount of high school graduates are around 60-70. And amount of university graduates are still around 50.

Of what, total cohort?

Gross intake ratio to last grade of primary schooling was around 73% for Bangladesh in 2011 and 93% in India same year (now closer to 100%)

For lower secondary its 68% for Bangladesh and 81% for India.

(According to UNESCO) http://data.uis.unesco.org/Index.aspx?queryid=166

Your numbers look way off in enrolment ratios by the world bank as well:

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.SEC.ENRR?locations=BD-IN

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.TER.ENRR?locations=BD-IN-PK

Where tertiary enrolment is about 13% for Bangladesh and 24% for India and 10% for Pakistan.

Part of the problem is brain drain in this country. Just like me now... will leave this country for abroad because of how less opportunity we have.

Yup agreed. It was a big problem in India too during the 90s and early 2000s but now its slowly reversing. Hopefully it will happen for Bangladesh too.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Why is WSJ always like this?

Its like saying the US was losing the war on terror right after 9/11...but would they have said that then especially as the article title?

Yes mistakes were made by Bangladesh before and some will continue to be made (world is an imperfect place), but give them a fair chance to take firm decisive action now.

I have seen this tone whenever they talk about the developing world. That holier than thou attitude stemming from white man's burden and guilt. And then they tag India into their petty agenda too....to really tick all the boxes. No wonder Trump gets their goat really bad.

@bluesky bhai please provide link with all articles you post, thanks

Data does not support WSJ

Here are Islamist terror fatalities in Bangladesh from 2005 to 2016 July 3, its difficult to judge from the data that is BD is losing:

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/bangladesh/database/Fatalities-Islamist Terrorism 2010.htm

 

[bluesky]

I doubt it. If we wanted to rebuild, India could have provided cheap labour. It was out of the kindness of Britain's heart, or maybe we just realised how f*cked up we were.

Do not talk valueless hypothetical things about past matters. History has already been written 70 yrs. ago.

 

[asad71]

1.What WSJ conveniently terms "war on terror" is in reality a revolt of BD youth against SHW/BAL and their efforts at installing Indian hegemony in BD. SHW govt has killed hundreds, if not thousands, in the last three years in illegal office. At least 126 people were killed in the recent local elections. SHW/BAL are blood-thirsty. Because of Indian carte blanche they indulge in any amonut of killing, kidnapping and misdeeds to cling to power for ever without prper election. Their only objective is to make money. One only has to check up the Panama Paper leaks, Swiss Bank reports, and properties recently acquired by Bangladeshis in Malaysia, UK, Canada, Jamaica and USA.
2. The real "terror" in BD is SHW. Remove her, and the nation will be fine. But the Zionist, Western, Indian and Capitalist interests are happy with her services to them.

 

[bluesky]

You don't cut the branches, you cut the roots. All terrorism related money and thoughts come from the regressive country known as Saudi Arabia - an American ally flush with petro dollars but with the mindset of nomads. They have poured money into spreading hate and radicalizing youth in South Asia and around the world. Sort them out and you will sort the problem in a decade.

So, do you think the Saudi Badshah is financing the terrorism throughout the world?

 

[Jackdaws]

So, do you think the Saudi Badshah is financing the terrorism throughout the world?

The Saudi state is and thus the King is also involved. I am unsure of the internal power games within the Saudi state - am sure there are people at different spectrums of right and left wings but yes, the Saudi state is the root cause of pretty much all the terror around the world.

 

[Nilgiri]

1.What WSJ conveniently terms "war on terror" is in reality a revolt of BD youth against SHW/BAL and their efforts at installing Indian hegemony in BD. SHW govt has killed hundreds, if not thousands, in the last three years in illegal office. At least 126 people were killed in the recent local elections. SHW/BAL are blood-thirsty. Because of Indian carte blanche they indulge in any amonut of killing, kidnapping and misdeeds to cling to power for ever without prper election. Their only objective is to make money. One only has to check up the Panama Paper leaks, Swiss Bank reports, and properties recently acquired by Bangladeshis in Malaysia, UK, Canada, Jamaica and USA.
2. The real "terror" in BD is SHW. Remove her, and the nation will be fine. But the Zionist, Western, Indian and Capitalist interests are happy with her services to them.

Has RCMP knocked on your door yet?

 

[bluesky]

So, do you think the Saudi Badshah is financing the terrorism throughout the world?

It is the Wahaabis of Saudi Arabia that is funding terrorism. To this Sunni die hard group it is no more than the following the instruction given in an old book.

 

[Michael Corleone]

The "good things" they did that you mention were more to extract resources and create the necessary captive markets in India for their manufactured goods. It was not done out of a benevolence or desire to see India truly progress. After all they kept the literacy rate pitifully low (it was much much higher when they arrived at Indian shores). It was not by accident.



Not according to UNESCO. UNESCO puts it at around 61.5% for 2015.

http://data.uis.unesco.org/Index.aspx?queryid=166



Of what, total cohort?

Gross intake ratio to last grade of primary schooling was around 73% for Bangladesh in 2011 and 93% in India same year (now closer to 100%)

For lower secondary its 68% for Bangladesh and 81% for India.

(According to UNESCO) http://data.uis.unesco.org/Index.aspx?queryid=166

Your numbers look way off in enrolment ratios by the world bank as well:

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.SEC.ENRR?locations=BD-IN

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.TER.ENRR?locations=BD-IN-PK

Where tertiary enrolment is about 13% for Bangladesh and 24% for India and 10% for Pakistan.



Yup agreed. It was a big problem in India too during the 90s and early 2000s but now its slowly reversing. Hopefully it will happen for Bangladesh too.

Well yeah, British did the dev all for their interest obviously.

Technical horseshit. I realized after viewing the CIA govt website. You're right. Wrong info as always from bd news channel. Brain drain doesn't stops in Bangladesh until more opportunities and reforms are taken. Until they finally realize like Indian govt did.

 

[Nilgiri]

Brain drain doesn't stops in Bangladesh until more opportunities and reforms are taken. Until they finally realize like Indian govt did.

For that to happen, Bangladesh needs a 3rd national party heavily focused on only development (and neutral+pragmatic in every other sphere)....rather than dominated by the family duopoly going on right now.

If BJP was another family run party, I would despise it almost as much as Congress.

 

[Michael Corleone]

For that to happen, Bangladesh needs a 3rd national party heavily focused on only development (and neutral+pragmatic in every other sphere)....rather than dominated by the family duopoly going on right now.

If BJP was another family run party, I would despise it almost as much as Congress.

Then consider it never happening in bd. And the only way Bangladesh holds on to its talent is if the people decide to live a trashy life with rough edges to do what they want in Bangladesh. On their own.

 

[Nilgiri]

Then consider it never happening in bd. And the only way Bangladesh holds on to its talent is if the people decide to live a trashy life with rough edges to do what they want in Bangladesh. On their own.

Its sad situation then. I refuse to believe a country of 170 million people that will stablise somewhere at 200 million people is going to have this nonsense going on for such a long time. At some point Bangladesh has to mature right? Enough enlightened people there should boycott both parties and form a third viable one....and focus on grassroots development programs to show they mean what they say...i.e make a party cadre of only dedicated social workers.

Bangladeshis must never be resigned to their political fate or give up on it!

 

[Michael Corleone]

It is the Wahaabis of Saudi Arabia that is funding terrorism. To this Sunni die hard group it is no more than the following the instruction given in an old book.

More like their own agenda than anything written in the book.

Its sad situation then. I refuse to believe a country of 170 million people that will stablise somewhere at 200 million people is going to have this nonsense going on for such a long time. At some point Bangladesh has to mature right? Enough enlightened people there should boycott both parties and form a third viable one....and focus on grassroots development programs to show they mean what they say...i.e make a party cadre of only dedicated social workers.

Bangladeshis must never be resigned to their political fate or give up on it!

I find no youth interested in politics tbh. It's a dirty game.