Baloch are not traitors

[SBD-3]

Where were you in the 90s? Definitely not in Karachi infact you've never even been to Karachi. So how can you say there has been no ethnic cleansing. Ask the families of the victims, my family is one of them. Anyone who was under 25, muhajir and from a middle or low income family was good as dead. The bullet riddled bodies thrown out in the streets to rot, the soldiers in APC's hunting down young men. The battle grounds of North Nazimabad, Azizabad, Lines Area, Shah Faisal. Thousands killed and thousands missing. Many breadwinners of their family were killed, young women were raped, children were orphaned. There are a few areas in Karachi where you will not find one single 30 year old man, why? Because they were killed or gone missing in the 90s operation. I can tell you more but I don't want to revisit those wounds.
If you don't believe me go to a library and find the newspaper archives, they will tell you stories like 70 killed in Karachi today, 80 killed etc.

And btw this isn't about MQM or anything, it's about human lives regardless of ethnicity.

Just one question? When was there haven't been an ethnic conflict in Karachi? Karachi was peaceful in the 60s and 70s because there was no politics of ethnicity in Karachi. What was happening in 2010 was it delebrately done by the government as well? Ethinicity has become the part of politics in Karachi since late 80s. Those who die are not the target killers but the common people like me and others. A round of cleansing after cleansing, sometimes sponsored by government, sometimes by ourselves. You can say all what you say, but the truth is that now unless we dont consider "Karachi for every1" rather than "Karachi Lovers", "Karachi is mine" mentality. Lives will continue to go down.

 

[darkinsky]

for long the baloch people have been exploited and discriminated by pakistan , its time that the baloch people take things in their own hand and fight for their freedom , and yes all the resourses in baloch belong to the people of balochistan not to pakistan or pakistani army .

if thats the case then this principle will divide india and india will become smaller than even srilanka

 

[Uchiha]

Where were you in the 90s? Definitely not in Karachi infact you've never even been to Karachi. So how can you say there has been no ethnic cleansing. Ask the families of the victims, my family is one of them. Anyone who was under 25, muhajir and from a middle or low income family was good as dead. The bullet riddled bodies thrown out in the streets to rot, the soldiers in APC's hunting down young men. The battle grounds of North Nazimabad, Azizabad, Lines Area, Shah Faisal. Thousands killed and thousands missing. Many breadwinners of their family were killed, young women were raped, children were orphaned. There are a few areas in Karachi where you will not find one single 30 year old man, why? Because they were killed or gone missing in the 90s operation. I can tell you more but I don't want to revisit those wounds.
If you don't believe me go to a library and find the newspaper archives, they will tell you stories like 70 killed in Karachi today, 80 killed etc.

And btw this isn't about MQM or anything, it's about human lives regardless of ethnicity.

I can relate too
my dad hid for days
and many ran away to canada for their lives

 

[Uchiha]

I know where you are going with this, but in Pakistan the educated are the ones that are the criminals.

If it wasnt for those 'criminals' karachi would only be a picnic place for fishing

 

[SQ8]

Baluch are very brave and good hearted people but they are feeling difficulties, neglect and attacks for last few decades.

And would have made the most patriotic of Pakistani's had it not been for vested interests both at home and abroad.
even now, there is time to salvage the situation and allow the Balochi's to show their expression of faith in Pakistan.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

And would have made the most patriotic of Pakistani's had it not been for vested interests both at home and abroad.
even now, there is time to salvage the situation and allow the Balochi's to show their expression of faith in Pakistan.

indeed we are, just like the people from other provinces. The security forces need to take a step back and the political leadership needs to get out of the drawing rooms and stop giving interviews to foreign media and do something meaningful that actually helps the Baloch people who look up to them.


how long can this go on?
dont know , we got a lot of stamina and tolerance
this is why PPP and Pmln ledership is till hopeful to win the next elections. if the political makeup of Balochistan and rest of Pakistan is same then fight between the BLA and the FC will go on.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

whoever EVER claimed Baloch are ''traitors'' needs to be given zero attention.....to say ''traitor'' is a strong word, mind you.

they are very much a part of Pakistan, they are very much patriotic Pakistanis....it's a very complicated issue which many outsiders would not understand.

dig much deeper to learn the true facts

not to say that there arent issues between the Center and some people in the province -who feel disaffected and left out. The region is resource rich and has a very tiny population. The prospects for growth and prosperity are huge, if there is political will.

 

[53fd]

To the people discussing Karachi, so I'm a 100% Bihari "Mohajir" from Karachi. I know all the ins-&-outs of Karachi. I'll be talking about Balochistan in detail in another post.

It is true that there were quite a few (especially sectarian) "Mohajir" killings of qualified doctors & engineers in the 90s, including a few of my relatives as well. But Pakistan has given a lot to my family as well, & God has blessed my family by granting us some of the very top positions in this country, in all fields of life (btw, we are not feudals, we are an educated family, & we've achieved everything on merit). So despite the difficulties our "ethnic group" (& every other ethnic group in this country) has had to face, at the end of the day, no one needs to make me feel good about myself as a Pakistani citizen, because I am very proud of Pakistan despite all its shortcomings. If there is some fault in this country, it is our (& my) fault, we have our stake in this country, & we must rectify the situation. And God willing we will, we need to get out of this petty fighting. I am proud of all my Pakistani brothers regardless of religion or ethnicity, because I have met many wonderful Punjabis, Pakhtuns, Sindhis, Balochis etc, & some not so nice "Mohajirs"; & vice versa. It's a person-by-person case.

About the specifics in Karachi, it is a huge city whose population is increasing rapidly. It is also a place where political parties fuel the emotions of various ethnic group through ethnic warfare. In the 70s & before, when there was a huge influx of "Mohajirs" into Karachi & Hyderabad, the "Mohajirs" eventually displaced the dominance of Sindhis in these cosmopolitan cities (comparable to the situation of the large number of Pakhtuns in Karachi today threatening to displace the "Mohajir" majority through their large influx). As a result, the "Mohajirs" came under a certain amount of persecution. Altaf Hussain formed the Mohajir Qaumi Movement (which later became the Muttahida Qaumi Movement), & armed their workers in Karachi in huge huge numbers. And the problems of guns is seen in Karachi today, although it is not one-sided now (there has been a great in flow of guns from Pakhtuns as well). Then there are places like Lyari (dominated by Balochs) which have a lot of gangs as well (there are huge poverty issues here).

The problems of Karachi are because of "bad management" of the city, nothing else.

 

[SQ8]

dont know , we got a lot of stamina and tolerance
this si why PPP and Pmln ledership is till hopeful to win the next elections. if the political makeup of Balochistan and rest of Pakistan is same then fight between the BLA and the FC will go on.

There has to be a concentrated effort in lieu of addressing concerns where it comes to "detaching" the Baloch youth from leaders such as Brahamdagh. This may need Musharraf to be put on trail.. the other less "blatant" Bugti's forgiven.. but Brahamdagh taken out of their loop.
Nobody will fight you as long as they are fed, clothed and given shelter..
If the estranged ones see a brighter future with Pakistan, they will look to it regardless of what the feudal Sardar's say.
It was all ok as long as you had feudals in the BLA, it went awry when the intellectuals and cultural leaders joined the fray.

 

[53fd]

Btw, when we are talking about the Baloch people & Pakistan, which Baloch people are we talking about. The Marri, Bugtis or Mengal tribes? Or the Jamalis, Rind, Magsi, Kaasi tribes as well as the Hazaras, Makranis etc? There are intra-tribal (even between the Bugtis & the Marris) & inter-tribal conflicts as well. If one looks carefully at the district wise violence in Balochistan, one will see that there are certain small pockets in Balochistan that have high violence, whereas most parts of Balochistan are relatively peaceful. There has been huge neglect on Balochistan from all governments post 1947. As a result of the incompetence & the neglect shown of all our governments post 1947, it gave some 'opportunists' across our Western border the ammunition, which they used to support the Baloch nationalists (who exploited the common Baloch man with genuine grievances), & have been giving Pakistan 'headaches'.

There is a feeling in some circles in Balochistan that they are being 'used', that Balochistan is the place where the rest of Pakistan gets its gas from, without much benefit for the people of Balochistan (& many Baloch people who have these thoughts are NOT separatists). This is definitely true. However, one must also realize that Balochistan is the most sparsely populated province of Pakistan (this is no excuse for the lack of development in Balochistan though).

Just like the Pakistani authorities managed to infiltrate & create faultlines within the groups in the FATA, Pakistan needs to do the same within the Baloch nationalists, & bring greater benefit to, & a better quality of life the people of Balochistan, to bring the ones that are currently under the control of the Baloch nationalists & sardars out of their strangehold. Pakistan needs to forge better relations with the non-secessionist tribals, but they must support the Baloch people over the tribals that want to keep them down. The Baloch insurgency is diminishing, albeit slowly.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Where were you in the 90s? Definitely not in Karachi infact you've never even been to Karachi. So how can you say there has been no ethnic cleansing. Ask the families of the victims, my family is one of them. Anyone who was under 25, muhajir and from a middle or low income family was good as dead. The bullet riddled bodies thrown out in the streets to rot, the soldiers in APC's hunting down young men. The battle grounds of North Nazimabad, Azizabad, Lines Area, Shah Faisal. Thousands killed and thousands missing. Many breadwinners of their family were killed, young women were raped, children were orphaned. There are a few areas in Karachi where you will not find one single 30 year old man, why? Because they were killed or gone missing in the 90s operation. I can tell you more but I don't want to revisit those wounds.
If you don't believe me go to a library and find the newspaper archives, they will tell you stories like 70 killed in Karachi today, 80 killed etc.

And btw this isn't about MQM or anything, it's about human lives regardless of ethnicity.

Yeah ethic cleansing... those twerps with drilling machines deserved it....

The ppl thanks your nonsense posts are indians...



Dont need a freakin certificate from anybody to prove our patriotism:

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

actually on many many MANY things ---i'll side with and defend the Baloch tribes before i ever side with the successive federal governments

Baluchistan easily should have been the richest and most affluent provinces in the country.....the real problem is the government which lacks the ability to deliver basic services to the people; but also the tribal/feudals in the Baloch tribal society have made it very difficult for investment and infra. to come in


the reason for that is simply power.....their fear losing power over their people. they have an interest to keep the ''aam-aadmi'' backwards

i hope the mindset changes.......


but Baluch peoples' loyalty is unquestioned. They are very honest people, and your life is in good hands if you have them by your side. (i speak from experience, by the way)

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

in fact, I dont know if i'll anger some friends on this forum.....(not that i care)


but Nawab Bugti -- while yes he did some actions and said some things i question -- he was a true Pakistani patriot, he loved Pakistan and had good intentions for Pakistan

i dont know exact circumstance how he was killed -- but his death was a damn huge loss for Pakistan.....Ive never been so open about it until now. The more i read about him, the more i shake my head and say ''what the hell happened''

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Seems, after Bangladesh, its a turn of Baloch.....Pak is paying for its own mistakes...

not a chance; except maybe in Bollywood land

 

[bubble123]

They cant even spell specific areas that they tend to show care for, "Wajiristan", "Muhazir

damn good bro. These are just armchair generals glued with their monitors 24x7.