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Britain's trade deficit with China has more than tripled during the pandemic after successive lockdowns sparked a wave of spending on electronic goods.

The UK imported £40.5bn more from China than it exported to the country in the year to June 2021, according to data from the Department for International Trade, a huge increase from the £11.8bn deficit in the previous 12 months.

The imbalance was driven by a 38pc surge in goods imports from China, while UK exports also declined by 34pc.


The figures will raise concerns about China's growing influence in Britain amid fears over national security.

Jonathan Ashworth, an expert on the Chinese economy at Fathom Consulting, said the Communist country's exports had boomed during the pandemic because of an uptick in demand for technology required to work from home and stay connected with family members online.

The British population has also been spending less in restaurants and shops on local high streets.

Mr Ashworth said: "UK goods imports have become much higher and I suspect one of the factors driving that is large spending on the types of electronic goods required in the ongoing pandemic. There has been less spending on services in the UK economy and more spending on goods.

"And that has been a phenomenon seen across a number of advanced economies, and it has really helped Chinese exports.

"UK exports to China have also fallen sharply. I suspect this is related to weakness in the Chinese economy, but also the spending of domestic Chinese consumers might be weighed towards the electronics and goods required to work from home."

He warned the Chinese economy would take a knock when the pandemic recedes.

Mr Ashworth said: "In general, there's no doubt China has had difficulties with supply chain issues and the difficulties sourcing materials."

"But from a Chinese perspective, the key positive is that for more than a year now there has been really strong spending on their goods from advanced economies. It would be a risk for the Chinese economy if we get the virus under control, and we get back to spending more on services in the UK."

Lord Purvis of Tweed, a Liberal Democrat spokesperson for international trade, said the surge in the trade deficit had weakened Britain's influence on human rights issues in China.

He said: "It's become apparent that the Government is taking us on a very worrying journey of becoming heavily dependent on China for trade in goods, and moving away from our nearest market in Europe.

"We are now very dependent on imports of goods from China over which we have no leverage whatsoever. In fact, quite the reverse.

"And therefore when it comes to debating issues such as human rights, our opportunity as the UK is considerably weaker. I think from the UK's point of view this is now a geopolitical issue that we need to be airing a lot more."

Prime Minister Boris Johnson raised concerns about alleged human rights abuses in the country's Xinjiang province in an October call with the Chinese President Xi Jinping.

It is thought that more than a million Uyghur Muslims have been interned in forced labour camps in the region. China has denied the claims.

A Government spokesman said: "The UK will pursue a positive trading relationship with China in non-strategic areas, ensuring that our national security, freedom and democracy are protected, and that China is held to account on its international commitments.

"We support the right kind of globalisation - one that generates economic value for all and is based on free enterprise, human rights and rule of law."

 
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To have trade surplus with some and deficit with some is normal. China has trade deficit with both Korea and Japan.

UK should stay cool.
 
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China UK trade imports
Britain's trade deficit with China has more than tripled during the pandemic after successive lockdowns sparked a wave of spending on electronic goods.

The UK imported £40.5bn more from China than it exported to the country in the year to June 2021, according to data from the Department for International Trade, a huge increase from the £11.8bn deficit in the previous 12 months.

The imbalance was driven by a 38pc surge in goods imports from China, while UK exports also declined by 34pc.


The figures will raise concerns about China's growing influence in Britain amid fears over national security.

Jonathan Ashworth, an expert on the Chinese economy at Fathom Consulting, said the Communist country's exports had boomed during the pandemic because of an uptick in demand for technology required to work from home and stay connected with family members online.

The British population has also been spending less in restaurants and shops on local high streets.

Mr Ashworth said: "UK goods imports have become much higher and I suspect one of the factors driving that is large spending on the types of electronic goods required in the ongoing pandemic. There has been less spending on services in the UK economy and more spending on goods.

"And that has been a phenomenon seen across a number of advanced economies, and it has really helped Chinese exports.

"UK exports to China have also fallen sharply. I suspect this is related to weakness in the Chinese economy, but also the spending of domestic Chinese consumers might be weighed towards the electronics and goods required to work from home."

He warned the Chinese economy would take a knock when the pandemic recedes.

Mr Ashworth said: "In general, there's no doubt China has had difficulties with supply chain issues and the difficulties sourcing materials."

"But from a Chinese perspective, the key positive is that for more than a year now there has been really strong spending on their goods from advanced economies. It would be a risk for the Chinese economy if we get the virus under control, and we get back to spending more on services in the UK."

Lord Purvis of Tweed, a Liberal Democrat spokesperson for international trade, said the surge in the trade deficit had weakened Britain's influence on human rights issues in China.

He said: "It's become apparent that the Government is taking us on a very worrying journey of becoming heavily dependent on China for trade in goods, and moving away from our nearest market in Europe.

"We are now very dependent on imports of goods from China over which we have no leverage whatsoever. In fact, quite the reverse.

"And therefore when it comes to debating issues such as human rights, our opportunity as the UK is considerably weaker. I think from the UK's point of view this is now a geopolitical issue that we need to be airing a lot more."

Prime Minister Boris Johnson raised concerns about alleged human rights abuses in the country's Xinjiang province in an October call with the Chinese President Xi Jinping.

It is thought that more than a million Uyghur Muslims have been interned in forced labour camps in the region. China has denied the claims.

A Government spokesman said: "The UK will pursue a positive trading relationship with China in non-strategic areas, ensuring that our national security, freedom and democracy are protected, and that China is held to account on its international commitments.

"We support the right kind of globalisation - one that generates economic value for all and is based on free enterprise, human rights and rule of law."


Hey UK. Try exporting opium to China for trade surplus.
 
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There's an even bigger trade deficit between the US and China, all in China's favour.

Does the US sound or look dependent on China?
 
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why would anyone be surprised.

they ban everything china wants to buy. so the only things left they can sell is raw materials or luxury items neither of which is a particularly huge market, not compared to house hold goods anyhow.
then they cry about trade imbalance.
 
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There's an even bigger trade deficit between the US and China, all in China's favour.

Does the US sound or look dependent on China?
UK is different. Found this short message. I am just reposting it. That is all.

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Selfridges in London now sold to Thai buyers.
The Qataris bought Harrods and major shops in Kensington,
the casinos in London and UK are almost all owned by Malaysians, the Genting group and Quek Leng Chan group,
the Rolls Royce and Bentley retail group controlled by Vincent Tan of Malaysia,
Chelsea football owned by Russian,
Newcastle football owned by Saudi Prince,
Manchester United owned by an American Jewish family,
Wolves football owned by Chinese from China , and a few more football clubs are foreign owned!
The Indians control the petrol stations chain and the chemist shops and the steel industry, and a lot of other things in London and UK as a whole are now owned by foreigners .

The Finance Minister (Chancellor of the Exchequer ), the Home Minister, the Health Minister, the Business Minister and a host of other top government officials, are Indians or Pakistanis.

Seems like the entire United Kingdom now is owned by foreigners, directly or indirectly ! This, the nation of pure English breed that conquered and ruled almost half the world about two centuries ago for more than a hundred years. The genes weakened and the new generation is diminishing? A generational puzzle of still unknown factors!

This happened in history many times — the Roman Empire, the Sulaiman Empire, the Mongolian Empire, the Spanish and British empires, next will be the US.

**End Quote
 
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UK is different. Found this short message. I am just reposting it. That is all.

**Quote
Selfridges in London now sold to Thai buyers.
The Qataris bought Harrods and major shops in Kensington,
the casinos in London and UK are almost all owned by Malaysians, the Genting group and Quek Leng Chan group,
the Rolls Royce and Bentley retail group controlled by Vincent Tan of Malaysia,
Chelsea football owned by Russian,
Newcastle football owned by Saudi Prince,
Manchester United owned by an American Jewish family,
Wolves football owned by Chinese from China , and a few more football clubs are foreign owned!
The Indians control the petrol stations chain and the chemist shops and the steel industry, and a lot of other things in London and UK as a whole are now owned by foreigners .

The Finance Minister (Chancellor of the Exchequer ), the Home Minister, the Health Minister, the Business Minister and a host of other top government officials, are Indians or Pakistanis.

Seems like the entire United Kingdom now is owned by foreigners, directly or indirectly ! This, the nation of pure English breed that conquered and ruled almost half the world about two centuries ago for more than a hundred years. The genes weakened and the new generation is diminishing? A generational puzzle of still unknown factors!

This happened in history many times — the Roman Empire, the Sulaiman Empire, the Mongolian Empire, the Spanish and British empires, next will be the US.

**End Quote
I think the UK is a lot bigger, powerful and richer than most people realise.

Mainland UK that you hear about is 243,000 sq km in area but the total UK and it's dependencies are spread over a few continents and thats nearly 2 million sq km in size in total.

More importantly, you must never think of the UK as a small island on its own. It's made up of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand (combined, the largest country on Earth) which is further backed up by the most powerful country in the world, the United States.
 
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next will be the US
Quality of western imperialist have diminished massively in recent years. A combination of hubris and "think tanks" corrupted by factional lobbies (Israeli & Indian being the most influential) has led to fiasco after fiasco for the USA in the ME and Asia. The USA mainland has more natural and human resources then the empires you mentioned had....IMO, USA will remain important globally (especially when compared to UK), although not as dominant.
 
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United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand
UK become irrelevant after WW2. All its colonies are independent countries.....common wealth is only for playing cricket :lol: . UK could have been more powerful then USA, China or USSR/Russia if it better integrated and developed its colonies centuries ago.....its imperial strategy to leave the colonies undeveloped sources of raw material for UK based industries was foolish in the long run. A dominant continental industrial power (Germany) would relegate British imperial economic strategy to the dust pin of history.

This is where the Americans were smarter, they economically developed their post war protectorates, Japan, W Germany, S Korea, GCC....etc. They let them build up industry and get wealthy.....but these protectorates had to export globally in dollars. This is why the dollar remains the global reserve currency and will give this up very slowly. American imperial economic strategy is actually must better than the old British imperial economic strategy was.
 
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