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BAE Systems and Mahindra Defence are exploring joining forces to build an Indian mine-protected vehicle.

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BAE Systems said in a statement Feb. 12 that the new vehicle would be modeled on the "highly successful RG-31 mine protected vehicle. BAE Systems has already supplied 165 mine protected vehicles known as Casspir to the Indian Army since 1999."

"At this year's 5th Defense and Naval Exhibition -- DEFEXPO -- a BAE Systems RG-31 (was) on display on the Mahindra Defence stand," BAE Systems said.

"Nearly 600 RG-31s are in service with the United States, Canada, and other forces, including the United Nations. Under the U.S. Department of Defense's Mine Resistant Ambush Protected -- MRAP -- program, 624 RG-31s have been ordered," the company said.

"Mahindra is an enormously capable world class company with the skills to become a strong partner for BAE Systems on the development of a mine protected vehicle for India," said Mike Mendoza, BAE Systems' managing director India.

"Mahindra Defence Systems is in the business of providing vehicle protection to defense forces," said Brig. Khutub Hai, chief executive of Mahindra Defence Systems. "Our cooperation with BAE Systems, who are leaders in this field, for joint production of mine protected vehicles is a strategic fit for our vehicle armoring business."

"The all-steel, welded armor, monocoque hull of the RG-31 protects occupants from anti-tank mine detonations and is proven to have saved the lives of countless crews from mines and roadside bomb attacks. With a modular interior layout the vehicle can be configured as an APC, command vehicle, ambulance, surveillance vehicle and for many other uses. In standard APC configuration, this air-conditioned vehicle carries a crew of 8-10," BAE Systems said.
 
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Hmm, it's good for insurgent tactics like in rough terrain of Afghanistan against Taliban IEDs, but in case of war with Pakistan, it would at the receiving end of a MBT's 122mm shells. Plus like the US MRAPs it might be too costly and hulky to run.

Just my 2 cents :)
 
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Why not make indegenously?
Also BAE and mahindra will make an indian MRAP?dont u call tht a joint venture instead of indian>?
And they are just planing a vehicle how long will it take?
Thanks God Almighty HIT already has an indegenous MRAP.
 
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Hmm, it's good for insurgent tactics like in rough terrain of Afghanistan against Taliban IEDs, but in case of war with Pakistan, it would at the receiving end of a MBT's 122mm shells. Plus like the US MRAPs it might be too costly and hulky to run.

Just my 2 cents :)

And the other side would be aware of the employment risks. They too could use it in their NE or in Kashmir. Who knows if its good enough and BAE markets it to Pakistan, we may also consider it.
 
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Blain are u aware of the Al Sil-Sil MRAP developed by HIT?If not check out the videos on PDF.
Thnks
 
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And the other side would be aware of the employment risks. They too could use it in their NE or in Kashmir. Who knows if its good enough and BAE markets it to Pakistan, we may also consider it.


These huge metal machines are not for Pakistan Army. Even the US Army is having problems with their mobility and lack of speed. It's not the armor that may be the real problem but the fact that one time or the other soldiers do have to come out and fight.

As long as US Army men are inside they are fine. But to go into the population to help with their notion of winning the hearts and minds of the Afghan population, they are easy target anyway. Limited use for Pakistan. Perhaps the V-shaped hull could be adopted on an existing APC with tracks rather than wheels?

Last, the other day we were discussing the A-100 MBRLs and the Smerch, Plus MBTs, these MRAPs are big machines and easy target for any anti tank weapon and helicopters. Good for transporting soldiers where the enemy like Taliban doesn't have sophisticated missiles like TOW and Hellfire. But India vs Pakistan or Pakistan vs India with hundreds of MBTs, that's a totally different story.
 
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Blain are u aware of the Al Sil-Sil MRAP developed by HIT?If not check out the videos on PDF.
Thnks

PN,

I have not seen it. Please do post a link to the video.

However, HIT and MVRD are constantly developing designs and concepts. The issue is whether they meet Pakistan Army's staff requirements and are inducted. If they are inducted then we would not need to look at alternates, however thus far these vehicles have not been inducted in FATA/Swat theaters where they are needed the most.

Since I am not privy to where they are in terms of evaluation of these MRAPs, I cannot say with certainty whether or not they will be inducted. As such other options are worth considering.
 
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These huge metal machines are not for Pakistan Army. Even the US Army is having problems with their mobility and lack of speed. It's not the armor that may be the real problem but the fact that one time or the other soldiers do have to come out and fight.

As long as US Army men are inside they are fine. But to go into the population to help with their notion of winning the hearts and minds of the Afghan population, they are easy target anyway. Limited use for Pakistan. Perhaps the V-shaped hull could be adopted on an existing APC with tracks rather than wheels?

Last, the other day we were discussing the A-100 MBRLs and the Smerch, Plus MBTs, these MRAPs are big machines and easy target for any anti tank weapon and helicopters. Good for transporting soldiers where the enemy like Taliban doesn't have sophisticated missiles like TOW and Hellfire. But India vs Pakistan or Pakistan vs India with hundreds of MBTs, that's a totally different story.

Penumbra,

I do not foresee MRAPs being used to transport troops on a conventional battlefield, however some of these offer greater protection than the M-113s in use currently. If the ATGMs can be used against the MRAPs, what happens to M-113s?

Anyway, that I think is a separate discussion. I am in agreement that this is a platform to be used in built up areas or in rough open terrain but against insurgents with limited firepower but with ability to spring traps with mines etc.
 
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PN,

I have not seen it. Please do post a link to the video.

However, HIT and MVRD are constantly developing designs and concepts. The issue is whether they meet Pakistan Army's staff requirements and are inducted. If they are inducted then we would not need to look at alternates, however thus far these vehicles have not been inducted in FATA/Swat theaters where they are needed the most.

Since I am not privy to where they are in terms of evaluation of these MRAPs, I cannot say with certainty whether or not they will be inducted. As such other options are worth considering.

Well sir in waziristan as u know most of the transport was done by helis (largest heli borne ops after vietnam war) as well the MRAP is still in testing......Here is the videos please see the vehicle (kinda looks like israeli wild cat)...not to forget the new upgraded AK-I.
Thanks
 
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Why not make indegenously?
Also BAE and mahindra will make an indian MRAP?dont u call tht a joint venture instead of indian>?
And they are just planing a vehicle how long will it take?
Thanks God Almighty HIT already has an indegenous MRAP.

Its complete new JV product developed by Mahindra-BAE.



Mahidra-BAE will just bid to win a tander floated by the MoD like many others including TATA, Ashok Leyland, OFB etc etc. Many of them are either indigenous or JV.

In India its not like someone built it and joined the army but you have to win against Indian and international competitors.


From TATA...

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From OFB...

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From AL...



Shri Lakshmi Cotsyn Ltd's Drona...


Mahindra's...

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