Backtracking: India says no helicopters used in 'surgical strikes'

[Gryphon]

US-India COIN cooperation has reached all-time high with the Americans providing IA latest EW jammers with the capability of jamming radars, SAM's and Pakistani soldiers as well.

The fate of 38 infiltrators (present at those 7 so-called launch pads) is known to the entire world thanks to Indian media.

 

[DRDO KALI 10000]

We are not worried at all.
We actually can't wait to bang Indians, their media and high officals for their false and cooked up stories and how they fooled themselves and their nation.
''Sir G Kal Strike'' will be a permanent troll which will be used by Pakistanis.
And as per Helicopter claim, you can check, I have added relevant proof as claimed by your media .......

Claim is commandos dropped on loc on Indian side ,no arial attacks claimed. Nothing wrong harshvardan said. He is right

 

[MM_Haider]

they could be para dropped within their own Lines and then the troops would have trekked into the Pak territory. All I could read was no aerial assets were used for the "strike" ( “There were no aerial strikes,”). But that does not mean no aerial assets were used period.

you mean they could have crawled on a mountainous terrain for three KMs?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Those pics are of the Intl border. the Line of Control is not the International Border. if that were so, you wouldnt have the infiltrations and skirmishes reported both sides.

Electric fences .. Intense patrolling and mines on both sides

As for infiltration .. All so called infiltrators are from IOK.. Residents of Indian occupied Kashmir .. There is a reason why those boys are claimed and buried by the Kashmiris and thousands attend their funerals..

So called infil ended in the early 2000s when the ceasefire agreement was signed.

 

[MM_Haider]

Claim is commandos dropped on loc on Indian side ,no arial attacks claimed. Nothing wrong harshvardan said. He is right

then it is not a surgical strike. It is cross border infiltration which is met with!. You just took the Pakistani line .. congrats!

 

[DRDO KALI 10000]

then it is not a surgical strike. It is cross border infiltration which is met with!. You just took the Pakistani line .. congrats!

I don't know it is whose line, but it is what exactly being claimed. You can call it infiltration and INDIA can call it what ever. But terrorist and terrorism neutralised.

 

[MM_Haider]

I don't know it is whose line, but it is what exactly being claimed. You can call it infiltration and INDIA can call it what ever. But terrorist and terrorism neutralised.

yes that's what Indian establishment fed to its media to please Indian masses.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

I don't know it is whose line, but it is what exactly being claimed. You can call it infiltration and INDIA can call it what ever. But terrorist and terrorism neutralised.

Pakistan wouldn't even have any camps 3km near the border... in artillery range. That's just common sense. 4 days ago Bharat claimed Pakistan evacuated the camps. Is this a joke?
http://zeenews.india.com/news/india...army-bases-civilian-areas-report_1933654.html

 

[Chauvinist]

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Just a day after the Indian government claimed that its army carried out “surgical strikes” inside Pakistan with the support of military choppers, a senior Indian minister retracted the claim saying “these did not involve any aerial operations.”

“There were no aerial strikes,” Indian Minister of State for Information and Broadcasting Rajyavardhan Singh Rathore, himself an ex-Indian Army man, told The Hindu during an interview.

Rathore said the Indian Army crossed the Line of Control (LoC) “on the ground” for carrying out what he termed were “pre-emptive strikes”. “That is not like crossing the international border.”

On Thursday, soon after the Indian military claimed that it had carried out “surgical strikes” against perceived “terrorist launch pads” on the Pakistani side of the LoC in disputed Kashmir region, the Pakistani Army ripped to shreds the Indian farcical claim as an “illusion being deliberately generated by the Indians to create false effects”.

Rathore’s remarks appeared to endorse the version of the army’s media wing, ISPR, which insisted: “there has been no surgical strike by India, instead there had been cross-border fire initiated and conducted by India.”

While Indian media grossly exaggerated New Delhi’s claim the Pakistani media, however, questioned its authenticity.

The Indian Express had called it a “defining moment” but said the government must now be vigilant to ensure that the “clamour for more” did not fuel an escalation in hostilities.

The Hindustan Times welcomed the strikes in an editorial headlined “Befitting response”, and said India would “take satisfaction from the revenge, served cold”.

The Indian army provided little insight as to how the entire operation was conducted. The media there, however, said the operation was a combination of heliborne and ground forces. Special forces were para-dropped for the operation, it added. It said alleged terror launch pads targeted were in the range of 2- 3 kilometres from the LoC.

Some Indian news websites, which mentioned the use of helicopters in the operation:

The Economic Times

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http://tribune.com.pk/story/1191350/backtracking-india-says-no-helicopters-used-surgical-strikes/


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Well, things are getting clear

@Areesh @Dazzler @Windjammer @Side-Winder @DESERT FIGHTER @Bratva

No helicopters but I think "Jahaaz" were used for these SirGKal strikes and they were pretty high that night..
Bhai lambi lambi chornay main to ye hmari Meera ko b maat day gay

 

[PakSword]

Hello All
On the ongoing situation I spoke with one veteran and ex Military person who served at LoC for many years , on Indian "Sir G Kal" strikes ,
Here what he said in my words or simple words,
First of all He said its a big drama staged by Indian Govt (not Army) , according to him its a once or twice a month routine for both Armies on LoC to do this type of "Sir G Kal " strikes , he said one or twice both sides cross LoC "Some time for Fun and some time for Moral and some times for Reacting to any action" so its a routine , but he said force fully no one ever tried to go deep like (4 km to 5km or even 3km) inside the enemy territory, Y because its just not possible , 1 reason train , 2nd Heavily enemy deployment .
So in short he said they may have come into Pakistani side on LoC(Along LoC ) , they may have filmed there movements this time , but unlucky for them , on there way back they faced Pakistani Patrolling Party and there they lost there solders , and there bodies are still there , but that's the one or twice per month routine , its like both sides kill each other Patrolling parties , normally both sides don't own such actions but they are doing it from last 70 years , BUT ONLY THIS time India owns this and claim this as a "Sir G KAL" strike.
Rest Indian media making it a once a life time movie kind of thing with there "resources" , He said listen there DGMO again it will conform what I said .
Like ALONG LoC , mainly.

Rest I will leave it to all you guys(Professionals from both sides) and seniors from India mainly to judge it .

For Us (Pakistanis) Your Govt played you and your Army , they make it hard for your Army , on LoC ,
From Pakistan side we are enjoying your govt desperation (not Army) , which even fuel by your media , and Please let us Pakistanis enjoy little more , Please release the video especially the killing of 38 terrorists , please do it.
Thank you all
@mods if you guys think this post is not good please delete it , thanks

I have heard very similar story from a very close relative in Air Defense.

He said that Indian army came very close to the front posts yesterday but fortunately for us and unfortunately for them, prior intelligence reports were received about the possible incursion.

He told me that they probably wanted to kill some PA soldiers so that they can have some face saving. But due to the element of surprise, all parties were fired upon from multiple unexpected locations. They couldn't cross the first 50 meters and tried to retreat and while doing so, PA captured one of their men.

As your source mentioned, he also said that it is usual to cross the border once in a while, but it was very unusual movement yesterday. They left behind several bodies on both sides of LoC within 25-50 meters at every location. In the fire fight though, 2 PA soldiers embraced martyrdom and several others have been injured. He confirmed that Indians may have footage but to release it they will have to edit it heavily.

When Indian DGMO called for the presser, he did have an idea that several of the men had not returned and he made a statement that "we do not have plans for further continuation" in order to satisfy PA DGMO in other words that we are retreating, please stop. He also made a foolish statement that there was no casualty on Indian side, and PA officers (my source's companions) laughed at this statement as everybody knew that they can hide the killing of soldiers, how will they hide the captured soldier? He said there is a mechanism to hide deaths in these skirmishes. They will now blame PA every couple of days of cease fire violations and announce killing of one or two soldiers every now and then. But for that to happen, they have to take the bodies and put them in cold storage, which PA is not letting them do (I am against it by the way).

Till this morning when I spoke to him, he said that they are not allowed to pick the bodies. Whenever they try come close, they are fired upon. There are high level talks happening between Indian DGMO and Pakistan DGMO on this issue but there is tactical silence and delay on Pakistani side.

Don't know if they have let Indians pick the bodies or not yet. Will call him again tomorrow to check.

 

[DRDO KALI 10000]

yes that's what Indian establishment fed to its media to please Indian masses.

Friend Truth can be delayed but not suppress forever.

Look back at history. I hope not one more time hearts broke of our Pakistani brother s.
But till then better to keep patients, and refrain unnecessary negitev comments.
I see all Pakistani unnecessary and stupidly commenting like they know everything

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Indian Dream is over. Reality has started coming out.

 

[MM_Haider]

Friend Truth can be delayed but not suppress forever.

Look back at history. I hope not one more time hearts broke of our Pakistani brother s.
But till then better to keep patients, and refrain unnecessary negitev comments.
I see all Pakistani unnecessary and stupidly commenting like they know everything

Does your heart break when you get the news of your 14 soldiers dead bodies lying in open and India not claiming it or one jawan captured? Anyways lets wait for your truth to come out.. !

 

[Joe Shearer]

Your summary is surprisingly similar to OBL raid. Too good to be true.


How do you crawl through mines?

Did you not get that my post was a response to someone's amazing nonsense about the OBL raid? It is not surprisingly similar, it is the raid that I was talking about. Not about the India Pakistani matter that is being discussed.

 

[SQ8]

Hello All
On the ongoing situation I spoke with one veteran and ex Military person who served at LoC for many years , on Indian "Sir G Kal" strikes ,
Here what he said in my words or simple words,
First of all He said its a big drama staged by Indian Govt (not Army) , according to him its a once or twice a month routine for both Armies on LoC to do this type of "Sir G Kal " strikes , he said one or twice both sides cross LoC "Some time for Fun and some time for Moral and some times for Reacting to any action" so its a routine , but he said force fully no one ever tried to go deep like (4 km to 5km or even 3km) inside the enemy territory, Y because its just not possible , 1 reason train , 2nd Heavily enemy deployment .
So in short he said they may have come into Pakistani side on LoC(Along LoC ) , they may have filmed there movements this time , but unlucky for them , on there way back they faced Pakistani Patrolling Party and there they lost there solders , and there bodies are still there , but that's the one or twice per month routine , its like both sides kill each other Patrolling parties , normally both sides don't own such actions but they are doing it from last 70 years , BUT ONLY THIS time India owns this and claim this as a "Sir G KAL" strike.
Rest Indian media making it a once a life time movie kind of thing with there "resources" , He said listen there DGMO again it will conform what I said .
Like ALONG LoC , mainly.

Rest I will leave it to all you guys(Professionals from both sides) and seniors from India mainly to judge it .

For Us (Pakistanis) Your Govt played you and your Army , they make it hard for your Army , on LoC ,
From Pakistan side we are enjoying your govt desperation (not Army) , which even fuel by your media , and Please let us Pakistanis enjoy little more , Please release the video especially the killing of 38 terrorists , please do it.
Thank you all
@mods if you guys think this post is not good please delete it , thanks

@Joe Shearer @hellfire Ignoring the formatting, the little account on the what if that happened is what yours truly has been able to confirm. The IA just decided to come out on what is routine tit for tat.