Australian lawmaker proposes 1 yr in jail, $68,000 fine for forcing kids to wear burqas

[jbond197]

Stop side stepping the question. Are you, or are you not a muslim woman? And I thought this woman wanted to ban them because they were being forced on women, now its a security threat? You guys sure like to jump from one thing to another.
And I agree with your logic, I also think we should ban the Sikh turban, there is no knowing what someone can hide in there. Do we know if a guy isn't cocaine in his turban? or perhaps a bomb? Man, ban the turbans, its a security threat, I feel intimiated whenever I see a Sikh wearing a turban.

Sure that should happen but only if there are enough evidence to prove Sikhs in general cast any kind of threat. Now do they? Sikhs involved in any terror acts are almost unheard of but for Muslims it's like a regular day job. So threat perception forces people to act differently with Muslims. Sorry this may hurt you but thats the harsh reality.

 

[TankMan]

Are you concerned about fellow Muslims that are not allowed to wear bikinis or miniskirts.
If not, you are not worth listening to.

The root of the problem is Muslim nations enforcing dress codes.
Once Muslim women are free to choose how they dress in Iran, KSA etc.,
then Hijab, Burkhas etc. becomes a non-issue in the West.

Until then, I support loss of citizenship and deportation for anyone trying to cajole
a Muslim woman to wear certain clothes.

To be clear, that does not include punishing any Muslim Woman who chooses to wear "modest" clothes.
Such laws would mainly punish men.

You don't have any idea about how the society in Muslim countries is like, so you are not worth listening to.

 

[jamahir]

all forms of Islamic face coverings in public

the burqa or naqaab or chador or chaadar... are not "islamic"... they are cultural impositions on ladies... the burqa particularly, is from iran... these dirty clothings seek to enforce shame within the ladies, and tell them to be ashamed of their own feminine attributes... similar is the "dupatta" chest-shawl prevalent in south asia, particularly india and pakistan, among all religious sects here... similar is the hindu face clothing, ghoonghat.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

You don't have any idea about how the society in Muslim countries is like, so you are not worth listening to.

FACT: Iran will punish women who do not meet government clothing rules.
FACT: KSA will not allow women to drive.

Please, PLEASE explain to me that I am wrong.

 

[TankMan]

FACT: Iran will punish women who do not meet government clothing rules.
FACT: KSA will not allow women to drive.

Please, PLEASE explain to me that I am wrong.

Iran has got it seriously wrong. I condemn them for that, it is not their job to interfere with people's personal matters.
Saudi Arabia's law is just retarded on too many levels, maybe the Sheikhs all were once victims of womens' dangerous driving

My point is that such laws are not required. It is socially unacceptable to wear indecent clothing, for both men and women. For example, Pakistan has no written law that forces women to wear anything and that's why you'd see a lot of western-ish clothing in the cities and urban areas because people living there are pretty open-minded, but you'll probably still hear someone's granny saying how shameless the youth is. (Grannies are like that everywhere,aren't they?) . In rural villages it becomes a lot stricter as even women and girls themselves have strong sentiments against clothing they consider indecent.

However, incidents of 'forcing women' to wear decent clothing are really, really less because, surprisingly for you maybe, it's not the men who want or 'force' women to wear what they consider decent clothes, its the women themselves. I've heard many, many more women complaining and badmouthing about other women on this topic (she's indecent, look her this is visible, shameless, bla bla bla) than men actually give a damn. That's just the way it is. The biggest misconception about this is that it's somehow the men oppressing women. I don't know about Iran or Saudi Arabia and I condemn it if it's like that but in most Muslim countries it's like what i've described above.

Sorry for the wall of text but, well, you asked for an explanation.

 

[Pakistani E]

Sure that should happen but only if there are enough evidence to prove Sikhs in general cast any kind of threat. Now do they? Sikhs involved in any terror acts are almost unheard of but for Muslims it's like a regular day job. So threat perception forces people to act differently with Muslims. Sorry this may hurt you but thats the harsh reality.

I understand your point, but what this lawmaker in Australia is proposing has nothing to do with any "security" situation. Even though I do support a move to criminalise any forcing of niqab, this is just political scoring from a politician who was trying before to pass herself of as a native aborigine. Lol.

 

[jbond197]

I understand your point, but what this lawmaker in Australia is proposing has nothing to do with any "security" situation. Even though I do support a move to criminalise any forcing of niqab, this is just political scoring from a politician who was trying before to pass herself of as a native aborigine. Lol.

The below is stated in the OP, so she infact gave security as one of the justification.

Citing similar justifications used to enact a 2011 ban on full facial veils in France, Lambi said the law was needed for both “basic security reasons” and to facilitate assimilation.

Source: Australian lawmaker proposes 1 yr in jail, $68,000 fine for forcing kids to wear burqas

 

[Pakistani E]

The below is stated in the OP, so she infact gave security as one of the justification.

But how are children being forced to wear burqas a security issue? Trust me, I am not arguing for the sake of argument. As I have already stated, I support any legislation which criminalises any enforcement of the veil, but come on, this is a social issue not a security one.

 

[Belew_Kelew]

The real target is actually Hijab and not burqa, but they need an entry point to indirectly attack Hijab which is an obligation not an option like burqa is. the bottom line is they had a dream of bringing muslims to australia and integrating them weel enough to be their model muslims, the reality became clear when the 600,000 or so muslims are actually more attached to the religion than ever before, so a tactic of making you feel uncomfortable, guilty of following your religion is on full swing down under, and as usual using the secular weapons as a stick. Won't work though infact more people are wearing burqa and hijab these days in OZ. It's so funny though they neglect to mention those strict orthodox jews who wear almost half burqa which really means it's a directed attack.