Australia must respect China if relations are to improve: Chinese envoy

[nang2]

And what is the point of demanding something people won't give you? That is my point.

It is a part of negotiation. Who told you that something people won't give you eventually? Sure, they won't give you now. But as a part of business, not satisfying that demand is also priced in the business transaction. China may still do business with Australia for something that has the best price even after pricing in that factor. But the moment an alternative shows up, the extra price will make a difference. Of course, politicians don't care about that. Business people do. But in a free country like Australia, politicians can freely screw up business people (and working people with heavy tax) and get all the glory. The same is true in US.

 

[FedererExpress]

I will take a weaker economy and weaker AUS $ as long as we don’t have any relations with China. We were an advanced economy with a very high standard of living when we barely had any economic relations with China. We don’t need them. We don’t want them. It only benefits our export industries while Chinese come here and spy and steal our jobs and inflate house prices making it unaffordable for normal Australians. Opening relations with China has been a disaster for normal Australians. For multinationals, it’s been great but for normal people it’s a disaster. Go around asking normal Australians how they feel about China. Over 90% will hate China. Publicly we might be diplomatic and say nice things about China but privately we all hate China.

China thinks because we get export revenue and tourism revenue that we should like China. No chance. It’s the complete opposite. We don’t want China or their money. We just want to live a free life without a Communist dictatorship telling us how to live our lives. Our corrupt politicians have sold out our country to that criminal Communist dictatorship.

 

[nang2]

I will take a weaker economy and weaker AUS $ as long as we don’t have any relations with China. We were an advanced economy with a very high standard of living when we barely had any economic relations with China. We don’t need them. We don’t want them. It only benefits our export industries while Chinese come here and spy and steal our jobs and inflate house prices making it unaffordable for normal Australians. Opening relations with China has been a disaster for normal Australians. For multinationals, it’s been great but for normal people it’s a disaster. Go around asking normal Australians how they feel about China. Over 90% will hate China. Publicly we might be diplomatic and say nice things about China but privately we all hate China.

China thinks because we get export revenue and tourism revenue that we should like China. No chance. It’s the complete opposite. We don’t want China or their money. We just want to live a free life without a Communist dictatorship telling us how to live our lives. Our corrupt politicians have sold out our country to that criminal Communist dictatorship.

You can sacrifice whatever you have, so long as you don't drag other folks in with you. For example, with a weaker economy and weaker AUS $, you are NOT the only one who sacrifices. You should do with something much simpler and personal, like not buying anything made in China, for a starter.

 

[KungFuLee]

It is a part of negotiation. Who told you that something people won't give you eventually? Sure, they won't give you now. But as a part of business, not satisfying that demand is also priced in the business transaction. China may still do business with Australia for something that has the best price even after pricing in that factor. But the moment an alternative shows up, the extra price will make a difference. Of course, politicians don't care about that. Business people do. But in a free country like Australia, politicians can freely screw up business people (and working people with heavy tax) and get all the glory. The same is true in US.

I don't know how or what kind of tactics you are employing when you are negotiating, it does not work that way. The closest you can describe is you try to heckle, but that work only in private sale like if I were to buy an alarm clock from a vendor and I don't want to pay full price.

When you are talking about a country to country level negotiation. You don't expect people to give you stuff that you don't have, and when you need to ask for stuff, you ask for something tangible. And business world is not like what you said, in a perfect world, supplier and purchaser have equal power. Both can walk away from a deal if that is not good for either or both of them. However, in reality, the purchaser always have more power. Because you don't need to have tangible asset when you buy stuff.

 

[FedererExpress]

I want to say that I respect Hong Kong people and Taiwan people. Just don’t like CCP-ruled China.

 

[nang2]

I don't know how or what kind of tactics you are employing when you are negotiating, it does not work that way. The closest you can describe is you try to heckle, but that work only in private sale like if I were to buy an alarm clock from a vendor and I don't want to pay full price.

When you are talking about a country to country level negotiation. You don't expect people to give you stuff that you don't have, and when you need to ask for stuff, you ask for something tangible. And business world is not like what you said, in a perfect world, supplier and purchaser have equal power. Both can walk away from a deal if that is not good for either or both of them. However, in reality, the purchaser always have more power. Because you don't need to have tangible asset when you buy stuff.

Apparently you have never done a business negotiation.

I want to say that I respect Hong Kong people and Taiwan people. Just don’t like CCP-ruled China.

You can respect whoever you like and dislike whoever you don't like. You don't have to put it out like it is a big deal. Nobody cares about your opinion here, just like nobody cares about mine, either.

 

[Viet]

I will take a weaker economy and weaker AUS $ as long as we don’t have any relations with China. We were an advanced economy with a very high standard of living when we barely had any economic relations with China. We don’t need them. We don’t want them. It only benefits our export industries while Chinese come here and spy and steal our jobs and inflate house prices making it unaffordable for normal Australians. Opening relations with China has been a disaster for normal Australians. For multinationals, it’s been great but for normal people it’s a disaster. Go around asking normal Australians how they feel about China. Over 90% will hate China. Publicly we might be diplomatic and say nice things about China but privately we all hate China.

China thinks because we get export revenue and tourism revenue that we should like China. No chance. It’s the complete opposite. We don’t want China or their money. We just want to live a free life without a Communist dictatorship telling us how to live our lives. Our corrupt politicians have sold out our country to that criminal Communist dictatorship.

Smartphones, TV sets, 5G, cars, buses, etc Australia can buy everything consumer products from Vietnam while we can buy natural resources from Australia. Win win.

 

[KungFuLee]

Apparently you have never done a business negotiation.

Apparently you know nothing about me.

 

[nang2]

Apparently you know nothing about me.

Apparently I don't know everything about you.

 

[conworldus]

Yeah you sure are free to be a paranoid sociopath who lives in a China threat hallucination 24/7. Excellent.

No. We are a free country and we will freely criticise a totalitarian Communist dictatorship whenever we want. End of story.

 

[thewayoftheworld]

It is not about hating China, it is about doing business. If and when I do business, I don't love or hate the people I do business with, I just do the exchange and move on to the next business.

That is where you and most Chinese member here getting emotion. Money is Money, Relationship is Relationship, just because Australian love Anime, that does not mean they have to bow down to Japanese Culture, Just because Australian love their Hamburger, that does not mean they need to bow down to the American (Austral-US relationship is another issue, which was explained before) The same way if Australian do business with China, they don't need to love or hate China. They don't need to respect or disrespect China to do business. It's a conscious transaction

Sometime I wonder what in the world do people like you populate. If money is money, then why all the sanctions. You can't expect to earn money from people you hate. They wouldn't give it to you. The bottom line is Australian is a racist country founded upon theft. Why are Anglo on the other side of the world. Australia should respect their natives and the people the land rightly belong. Not some racist Anglo society. China should let Australian economy rot. What do Australia proves beside the dirt that they stole.

 

[FedererExpress]

Smartphones, TV sets, 5G, cars, buses, etc Australia can buy everything consumer products from Vietnam while we can buy natural resources from Australia. Win win.

We would love to buy Made in Vietnam goods my friend. Vietnam is a friend and I have great respect for the Vietnamese people.

 

[KungFuLee]

Sometime I wonder what in the world do people like you populate. If money is money, then why all the sanctions. You can't expect to earn money from people you hate. They wouldn't give it to you. The bottom line is Australian is a racist country founded upon theft. Why are Anglo on the other side of the world. Australia should respect their natives and the people the land rightly belong. Not some racist Anglo society. China should let Australian economy rot. What do Australia proves beside the dirt that they stole.

First, I am not an Australian, I have no intention to become one. I am a Hong Kong Chinese in Australia doing a Master degree in Accounting and maybe afterward, a MBA.

Secondly, you very obviously not in line with world politics and economy development. Take US and China as an example. They hate each other, at time, they want to kill each other, and it actually did some 70 years ago. And even with trade war and each side sabre rattling, business does not stop with the two relationship at all time low. How that "Hate" translate to business world? American hate Chinese, Chinese hate American, yet business as usual. As in a Chinese proverb we always uses "(Horse) races keep racing and dances keep dancing"

That is the reason why I said, money is money, sanction/trade war is done as a business/economic tactics, it have nothing to do with business making money, if you really want more example, go look up how many waiver applied with the US State Department about doing business in Iran?

And finally, not going to stick up with the Australian, but what Australia being a racist country or formed by convict or from theft have to do with China demand Respect from Australia? So if aboriginal leader from the promised land come out and flip Chinese the finger, would you be more okay with that?

Apparently I don't know everything about you.

You should say you don't know anything about me.

 

[8888888888888]

Depends on what kind of unofficial relations, USA wants Australia to be unfriendly to China but doesn't offer any economic compensation if relational go bad so they just use human rights which doesn't help much. China wants Australia to have a bad relationship with USA which isn't hard to do seeing that USA loves to order Australia around so China just throws money which is good enough.

New Zealand has bad relations with USA because of environment reasons so China doesn't do much with New Zealand.

 

[KungFuLee]

Depends on what kind of unofficial relations, USA wants Australia to be unfriendly to China but doesn't offer any economic compensation if relational go bad so they just use human rights which doesn't help much. China wants Australia to have a bad relationship with USA which isn't hard to do seeing that USA loves to order Australia around so China just throws money which is good enough.

New Zealand has bad relations with USA because of environment reasons so China doesn't do much with New Zealand.

You probably have not met any Australian in your life.

Aussie don't like people play big and throw money around, in fact they despise them, if you act like Mr Big and slab a bundle of cash everywhere, they hate these people because you ain't "true blue bloke". And unfortunately, most Chinese in Australia have the same thinking, and that is the reason why Aussie don't like Chinese much.

Australia is going to align themselves with the American in far foreseeable future, as I said, the current Australian Government is extremely anti-China, and I don't think it will change in the next few decade.