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Aurangzeb - The Great Ruler

What's your opinion on Aurangzeb

  • He was a horrible ruler

  • He was a great ruler

  • He was an okay ruler


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Yup he gave patronage to several temples as well.

He is convenient scapegoat overall. But I am not defending the bad stuff he did (the family power struggle, treatment of his father, leaning toward authoritarian religious doctrine as state policy overall etc).

I have hard time believing that two brothers (him and Dara Shikoh) could be so different as portrayed by many quarters....the reality is more nuanced
Sacking temples wasn't limited to Mughals.. it was practised even by Hindu kings after defeating or for punishing descent.

Ok - would you call a ruler who drains the state treasury to the brink of bankruptcy and imposes a tax on a section of his population for their religious beliefs a capable ruler?
If you could google, you'd know that Muslims have to pay more taxes, while non Muslims paid jizya, Muslims had to pay Zakat,Usher,Kharaj etc.
 
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Ok - would you call a ruler who drains the state treasury to the brink of bankruptcy and imposes a tax on a section of his population for their religious beliefs a capable ruler?

So long as the state remains functioning and powerful, he can do what he pleases so long as it's not against Islam in my eyes.

Non Muslims have to pay taxes, just like Muslims. Just because you're non Muslim doesn't mean you won't get taxed, nothing wrong with Jizya at all.
 
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and imposes a tax on a section of his population for their religious beliefs a capable ruler?
Very capable rulers like Balban, Alauddin Khilji, Feroz Shah, Sikandar Lodi and Sher Shah imposed Jizya on Hindus. It was also imposed on Hindus in Deccan sultanates of south...... Akbar was the first Muslim ruler to abolish it. The move of reinstating Jizya itself does not stamp Aurangzeb to be an inept person but whether it was beneficial at all in that period, is debatable. As i have already mentioned, Mughal state machinery was plagued with corruption , bribery and inefficiency and some of the Hindu subjects might have been harassed by the corrupt officials over the Jizya.

Jizya itself is not a punishment of non-Muslims , not a mark of inferiority. The Jizya mentioned in Quran and early Islam was not poll-tax , it was a round sum paid by the inhabitants of a village i.e collective tribute in lieu of military service. Its a misconception that it was imposed on those who refused to accept Islam. Those non-Muslims who excused themselves from serving in the army of Muslims, agreed to pay tribute in lieu. Those Christian Arabs who fought alongside Muslims against Sassanids, were exempted from Jizya. By paying tribute of Jizya, those non-Muslim peasants also ensured that they are given the military protection from attacks and raids. In Ottoman period, those Christians were exempted from Jizya who were providing military service to them. For example in a book on Ottoman history, i read that some Albanian Christians were exempted from Jizya because they were a guarding a pass for them and were providing a military contingent to them. Interestingly Ottomans imposed Jizya on Egyptian peasants, Muslims, who were not enlisting themselves in their army. Some Umayyad rulers also imposed Jizya on newly converted Muslims of Khorasan and Central Asia. Aurangzeb exempted Rajputs (who were providing military service) and all other Hindus who were officers and servants of the state . Note that he imposed Jizya two decades after he ascended throne, in 1679, Munucci (Italian gunman in his service) says that he did so because his treasure was shrinking. And because he felt bound as his court was dominated by Maulvis and because he wanted to appear as champion of Islam , which he was not.

In defense of Aurangzeb would say he abolished certain other additional taxes on Hindus which had nothing to do with Islam. Manucci says Aurangzeb abolished a large tax on Hindu pilgrims who used to visit their sacred places. There was also tax on Hindus carrying the ashes of their dead to be thrown into Ganges. Manucci says Aurangzeb also abolished that tax (Source: Storia da Mogal, Vol-II, p-61).

I see modern day Hindus raging and boiling over this imposition of Jizya on their ancestors. Its silly. Auranzeb is a very complex character and can be not viewed in black and white.

@dsr478 @DESERT FIGHTER @xairhossi @Tesky @Kambojaric
 
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Very capable rulers like Balban, Alauddin Khilji, Feroz Shah, Sikandar Lodi and Sher Shah imposed Jizya on Hindus. It was also imposed on Hindus in Deccan sultanates of south...... Akbar was the first Muslim ruler to abolish it. The move of reinstating Jizya itself does not stamp Aurangzeb to be an inept person but whether it was beneficial at all in that period, is debatable. As i have already mentioned, Mughal state machinery was plagued with corruption , bribery and inefficiency and some of the Hindu subjects might have been harassed by the corrupt officials over the Jizya.

Jizya itself is not a punishment of non-Muslims , not a mark of inferiority. The Jizya mentioned in Quran and early Islam was not poll-tax , it was a round sum paid by the inhabitants of a village i.e collective tribute in lieu of military service. Its a misconception that it was imposed on those who refused to accept Islam. Those non-Muslims who excused themselves from serving in the army of Muslims, agreed to pay tribute in lieu. Those Christian Arabs who fought alongside Muslims against Sassanids, were exempted from Jizya. By paying tribute of Jizya, those non-Muslim peasants also ensured that they are given the military protection from attacks and raids. In Ottoman period, those Christians were exempted from Jizya who were providing military service to them. For example in a book on Ottoman history, i read that some Albanian Christians were exempted from Jizya because they were a guarding a pass for them and were providing a military contingent to them. Interestingly Ottomans imposed Jizya on Egyptian peasants, Muslims, who were not enlisting themselves in their army. Some Umayyad rulers also imposed Jizya on newly converted Muslims of Khorasan and Central Asia. Aurangzeb exempted Rajputs (who were providing military service) and all other Hindus who were officers and servants of the state . Note that he imposed Jizya two decades after he ascended throne, in 1679, Munucci (Italian gunman in his service) says that he did so because his treasure was shrinking. And because he felt bound as his court was dominated by Maulvis and because he wanted to appear as champion of Islam , which he was not.

In defense of Aurangzeb would say he abolished certain other additional taxes on Hindus which had nothing to do with Islam. Manucci says Aurangzeb abolished a large tax on Hindu pilgrims who used to visit their sacred places. There was also tax on Hindus carrying the ashes of their dead to be thrown into Ganges. Manucci says Aurangzeb also abolished that tax (Source: Storia da Mogal, Vol-II, p-61).

I see modern day Hindus raging and boiling over this imposition of Jizya on their ancestors. Its silly. Auranzeb is a very complex character and can be not viewed in black and white.

@dsr478 @DESERT FIGHTER @xairhossi @Tesky @Kambojaric


While Aurangzeb was extending the empire in the east and south, and consolidating his position on the northwest marches, he was also concerned with the strengthening of Islam throughout the kingdom. His attempt to conduct the affairs of state according to traditional Islamic policy brought to the fore the problem that had confronted every ruler who had attempted to make Islam the guiding force: the position of the Hindu majority in relation to the government. In 1688, when he forbade music at the royal court and took other puritanical steps in conformity with strict injunctions of Muslim law, he affected both Hindus and Muslims. When jizya, abolished for nearly a century, was reimposed in 1679, it was the Hindus alone who suffered.

By now Aurangzeb had accepted the policy of regulating his government in accordance with strict Islamic law, and many orders implementing this policy were issued. A large number of taxes were abolished which had been levied in India for centuries but which were not authorized by Islamic law. Possibly it was the unfavorable effect of these remissions on the state exchequer which led to the exploration of other lawful sources of revenue. The fact that, according to the most responsible account, the reimposition of jizya was suggested by an officer of the finance department would seem to show that it was primarily a fiscal measure. The theologians, who were becoming dominant at the court, naturally endorsed the proposal, and Aurangzeb carried it out with his customary thoroughness.

Another measure which has caused adverse comment is the issue of orders at various stages regarding the destruction of Hindu temples. Originally these orders applied to a few specific cases—such as the temple at Mathura built by Abul Fazl's murderer, to which a railing had been added by Aurangzeb's rival, Dara Shukoh. More far-reaching is the claim that when it was reported to him that Hindus were teaching Muslims their "wicked science," Aurangzeb issued orders to all governors "ordering the destruction of temples and schools and totally prohibiting the teaching and infidel practices of the unbelievers." That such an order was actually given is doubtful; certainly it was never carried out with any thoroughness. However, it is incontestable that at a certain stage Aurangzeb tried to enforce strict Islamic law by ordering the destruction of newly built Hindu temples. Later, the procedure was adopted of closing down rather than destroying the newly built temples in Hindu localities. It is also true that very often the orders of destruction remained a dead letter, but Aurangzeb was too deeply committed to the ordering of his government according to Islamic law to omit its implementation in so significant a matter. The fact that a total ban on the construction of new temples was adopted only by later jurists, and was a departure from the earlier Muslim practice as laid down by Muhammad ibn Qasim in Sind, was no concern of the correct, conscientious, and legal-minded Aurangzeb.

As a part of general policy of ordering the affairs of the state in accordance with the views of the ulama, certain discriminatory orders against the Hindus were issued: for example, imposition of higher customs duties, 5 percent on the goods of the Hindus as against 2 percent on those of Muslims. These were generally in accordance with the practice of the times, but they marked a departure not only from the political philosophy governing Mughal government, but also from the policy followed hitherto by most Muslim rulers in India.

Aurangzeb has often been accused of closing the doors of official employment on the Hindus, but a study of the list of his officers shows this is not so. Actually there were more Hindu officers under him than under any other Mughal emperor. Though this was primarily due to a general increase in the number of officers, it shows that there was no ban on the employment of the Hindus.

That Aurangzeb's religious policy was unpopular at the time is true, but that it was an important factor, as usually charged, in the downfall of the empire, is doubtful. The Hindu uprisings of his reign seem to have had no wide religious appeal, and they were supressed with the help of Hindu leaders. Their significance comes in the following reigns, when the rulers were no longer able to meet opposition as effectively—and as ruthlessly—as had Aurangzeb. His religious policy aimed at strengthening an empire already overextended in Shah Jahan's time; that it failed in its objective is probably true, but the mistake should not be made of assuming that the attempt was a major element in the later political decay. It should be seen, rather, as part of an unsuccessful attempt to stave off disaster. Seen in this light, his religious policy is one element, but not a causal one, save in its failure to achieve its intended goal, among the many that have to be considered in seeking an understanding of Aurangzeb's difficulties.

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/ikram/part2_15.html
 
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No, they couldn't control it because they were incompetent.

All those generations from Babur to Aurangzeb where competent .Right?
I dont think so.They had something that Auramgzeb destroyed with his expansionist policies ..
Once you lost the trust of majority people you will lost the rule be it in monarchy or in democracy.
 
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A man who killed his entire family for the sake of power on the other hand the article propogates him as a good pious muslim " forget good muslim ruler this isnt even a definition of a good human being ! My definition is one has to be a good human to be a good muslim
Good on you for saying this. He also killed 7 & 9 year old kids of Guru Gobind Singh Ji as they refuse to become muslims. We (Sikhs) hate him for doing that.
 
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Aurangzeb was not a monster even by his own era standard. Indians troll Audrey on twitter every day who wrote book on Aurangzeb from neutral POV.
https://twitter.com/AudreyTruschke

He did go against Sikh gurus but couple of things to keep in mind. Unlike the myth we are lead to believe Sikhs didn't save "hindus" from Mughals. If anything its believed it was hindus and muslims mullahs who told Aurangzeb to take care off new cult and religion.

Said all that it's true that just for being persian speaker many refugees running away from Mongol hordes moved to India. And despite running for life they soon became part of elite class of India because of foreign muslim rule. They were so called ashraf while even native muslims were ajlaf. Clearly native locals were 2nd class citizens by modern standard.

British did it differently, for them all were same. They didn't try to settle down and bring their own with them.
 
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No, they couldn't control it because they were incompetent.
He received a stable empire from his earlier Mughals and what did he leave for his successors. An unstable empire at the brink of bankruptcy ?
He made a tradition that killing brothers, kinsmen and Kings for throne was legitimate.
Hahaha and his successors were only trying to save their necks or cutting someone else's.
He made sure that Mughal Empire implodes.
After all killing your brothers is acceptable if you are a good Muslim as in read Quran and kill Hindus, right??
 
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He received a stable empire from his earlier Mughals and what did he leave for his successors. An unstable empire at the brink of bankruptcy ?
He made a tradition that killing brothers, kinsmen and Kings for throne was legitimate.
Hahaha and his successors were only trying to save their necks or cutting someone else's.
He made sure that Mughal Empire implodes.
After all killing your brothers is acceptable if you are a good Muslim as in read Quran and kill Hindus, right??
Indeed. We should throw artificial religions lime Christianity out and revert to natural ways of life based on philosophy and inquiry.
 
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He was a scumbag jihadi.
How history turns... mughals was a corruption of Mongol.this is because Mongols unleashed havoc in Muslim land's of Asia minor and really killed all the men and inserted their male genes into the Sunni population there. The word Khan which we associate with Islam is actually Chinese. The Chinese also inserted their male genes in the south east Asian Hindu populations and made them muslims. India is the last land which is pure. Now cpec is just a modern vein of the Chinese need tho dominate. Beware all.
 
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Its a serious issue that whenever Aurangzeb is mentioned, Indians end up having a twist and look it from a lenses that is beyond black and white.

Quite frankly there is no discussion to be had bcz many are blinded. One of my fav mughal emperors, he was not that awesome nor was he like what the Hindus portray.

The jizya was imposed by many great rulers not just in India but all over the Muslim world and I feel many scream jizya jizya without even understanding what is it or even comprehending that Muslims paid additional taxes like zakat, kharaj e.t.c along with other taxes like pasture tax, horse tax e.t.c. I don't think jizya needs anymore definition or explanation as @Mian Babban has already done it very well.

Then we come to his treatment of father. In 1657 shah jehan fell I'll and a tussle began between murad, Shuja,dara and Aurangzeb. If I am correct didn't shuja start the brother war by invading Dara's governance. The biggest mistake posters make is that they look at history from a lense of today sitting in their comfort and rules of today and they fail to understand or comprehend the feeling of the situation and the feelings of a person in that situation. Look at it from this point of view. You are with your army and your three brothers have their armies. Your father suddenly fell I'll and it looks like he won't make it. The throne is empty and rumors are growing and reports are increasing that your brothers are moving their forces and readying their forces. The nobles and clergy are supporting you to take the initiative and then what happens. You see one brother invade the other. What will you do? Obviously not say my brothers love bcz somebody in the court highlights that your great great grandfather did the same thing when he divided his empire and took no action when his brother invaded his territory and annexed Punjab and the result was that he was thrown out of subcontinent hunted for his life and sought refuge in Persia and you can't even do that bcx your father and the Persian shah Abbas II annexed qandahar which threw the relations down.

What will you do in such a situation? I don't blame any of them. Very easy to sit and criticize them in AC rooms while eating chips, completely different to go through it and we don't respect this enough. The situation. I don't any brethren wars fighting for the throne be it in the ottoman or the mughals or the safavids.

It did have massive negative effects. As for stable empire. That's a question. Quite frankly the empire was bankrupt. The army was large and needed money. The expensive artists and singers was a waste of cash. The stupid peacock throne had bankrupted the state and quite frankly the lavish splendor of jehangir and shah jehan had destroyed the economy and the nepotism employed by nur jehan also did not help. A bank rupted empire didn't go to IMF for loans back then. It meant it was dead unless mass reforms take place. Imposition of jizya, the kicking out of patroned singers and artists were required on top of it all they had rebellions in the north east and north west frontier and news were coming that deccan was becoming a threat and was increasing ties with Persia. The area needed to be secured although I am not impressed by the Deccan policy of Aurangzeb ( empire became too large to be controlled from a center and the next rulers were simply too incompetent ) but arguments can be made that it was required. Dont discount qandahar bcz economically and strategically it was a pearl. Lets also not forget the wasteful central asian campaign of balkh and badakshan by shah jehan which were a massive waste and the three times seige of qandahar which destroyed the prestige and moral of the army and the economy. In those times a defeat was a huge sign of weakness which was likely to bring revolts and it did. Both in the north west and north east frontier. You can't discount them and you can't turn the clock at the beginning and end of a reign. Each reign effects the other.

Never black and white. Infact his religious policy was also not black and white.

Yup he gave patronage to several temples as well

He is convenient scapegoat overall.

Very convenient. The images that have been created contradict them all. All the mughal emperors. In reality they were so different and faced so many problems.
@Joe Shearer what do say at the lack of situational sense and glass lenses employed by people when viewing history.
 
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Beside all this oppressing Hindu stuff, I consider him an Complete idiot because starting a war against all the Southern Kingdoms because they were shias ! And rajput rebellion did not help either.

Due to this he lost all the wealth his Father's have created on Mindless fighting against our own Shia brothers.

I remember when I was in school and this girl's surname was that and I used to bully her and call it 'orangeseb' lmao. I'm not a bully now though, I'm well behaved. This is when we were kids
You have attitude issues :D
 
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He received a stable empire from his earlier Mughals and what did he leave for his successors. An unstable empire at the brink of bankruptcy ?
He made a tradition that killing brothers, kinsmen and Kings for throne was legitimate.
Hahaha and his successors were only trying to save their necks or cutting someone else's.
He made sure that Mughal Empire implodes.
After all killing your brothers is acceptable if you are a good Muslim as in read Quran and kill Hindus, right??

No empire last for ever, Mughals ruled subcontinent more then Mauryas 40 years of rule.
 
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