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Armenia's irredentist plan for Georgia

Well as bro ASQ has mentioned their is a lot of difference between the balance of the armed forces of Armenia and Azerbaidjan between now in 2010 and at the start of the Nagorno Karabagh war back in the late 80s.

Russia, France and USA will be providing satellite data about movement and concentration of Azeri forces to Armenia in the future war. Azeris don't seem to realise that they need to be best friend of Iranians in order to block any Iranian support to Armenia. Instead they pick fights with Iran.
 
Azerbaijan was never a part of Iran, contrary Azeri dynasties rueld Iran through history.

Azerbaijan through much of its history has always been united to the remainder of Iran. It was lost from the main body of Iran under Qajjar rule following the Russo-Iranian wars by the Treaty of Gulistan 1813. Other segments were lost in 1828 by the Treaty of Turcomanchay.
 
Its a lie that Azerbaijanis are a part of ruling elite. They are opressed in Iran.

Ruhollah Khomeini was an ethnic Azeri. The Rahber, Khamenei is ethnic Azeri and so is Ahmadinejad and are some of the highest ranks in the Iranian armed forces and the Pasdaran. Also, ethnic Azeri clerics are part of the ruling Iranian Guardian council, which stands above the Iranian parliament (Majalis). There are Azeri cultural centers, religious gathering held in Azeri, parliamentarians and so forth. That is a lot of oppression you speak of.

Your other responses will be, seeing from past forums, Qajjars are not Iranian, Safavids were not Iranian and so forth. Iranian is not even an ethnic, but a group of ethnicities including Lurs, Fars, Azeris etc.

Of course, I know you from past conversations Zakali and I know you will post in response a football stadium video to which I have replied some three odd times myself in different places. This time I shall recycle the same reply and not bother with a new one. To which you will ask me to write to you in Azeri, which after doing so, you will call me a liar and then do so for the remainder of the replies. Anyhow, let's continue....
 
I have Iranian Azerbaijani friends in Canada and they are happy in Iran.

Zakali considers those born in Iranian Azerbajian, or stating themselves to be Azeri, not so if they support Iran. For instance, to Zakali, Khamenei is a Persian (Fars/ Pars) born inside Iranian Azerbaijan. Anyhow, I'll not speak on his behalf. You can ask Zakali himself what ethnicity he considers Khamenei and Ahmadinejad to have.
 
Zakali considers those born in Iranian Azerbajian, or stating themselves to be Azeri, not so if they support Iran. For instance, to Zakali, Khamenei is a Persian (Fars/ Pars) born inside Iranian Azerbaijan. Anyhow, I'll not speak on his behalf. You can ask Zakali himself what ethnicity he considers Khamenei and Ahmadinejad to have.

Newly independent Azerbaijan is in process of creating its new history, heroes and myths. They deny their historical links to Iran and try to claim Iranian Azerbaijan. I have heard many Iranian complain about Iranian Azeris ruling/dominating Iran while Azerbaijanis claim that Iranian Azeris are being oppressed.
 
I don't see anywhere Azerbaijan claiming territories

If so, what was the point of this post?

İnşAllah.

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Newly independent Azerbaijan is in process of creating its new history, heroes and myths. They deny their historical links to Iran and try to claim Iranian Azerbaijan. I have heard many Iranian complain about Iranian Azeris ruling/dominating Iran while Azerbaijanis claim that Iranian Azeris are being oppressed.

I have traveled to the Azerbaijan republic. They are an amiable people generally, very hospitable and quiet helpful. The few ethnic chauvinists though, really undermine this trait-- more on that later. On my visit, I was asked much about the treatment of fellow Azeris in Iran and many of them were quiet surprised because for them an image is created that would otherwise be hard to swallow in Iran. Most of these people had not traveled to Iran themselves. Also, they have an image of Iran whereby ethnic-ism is supposed to be an underlying trait in everything there, whereas, apart from rural settings, ethnicity very rarely comes into play to mean anything more. If I could set a basic to Iranian unity, it isn't ethnicity, but religion (Islam) and to add to it I will not discount the commonality of being Shi'a as being an important ingredient in it-- indeed a historical one too.

Now, returning to what I referring to earlier about being undermined by chauvinists; it is because of them that a very negative image is being taken in Iran which would likely over time create further distances between the two states, unless political overtures are made.

About the last bit you stated, Azeris have historically been very mobile and very integrated into the society forming an important element in the clergy and in trade. As such, some feel that they are over-represented in politics and commerce. However, this is a rather mild feeling and not said to negate them but to stress their presence against the back-drop of being told that they are supposedly oppressed.
 
Persian, read the history. Have you ever heard of Khanates of Azerbaijan? They were independent Khanates in what is now Azerbaijan prior to Russian invasion. Khanates of Azerbaijan at the same time also fought Qajars.

Seljuqs
Atabegs of Azerbaijan
Ak-Koyunlu
Kara-Koyunlu
Safavids

How were Azerbaijan or Azerbaijanis a part of Iran? Azeri dynasties ruled Iran from 10-11th century untill 16-17th century. Unfortunately, Qajars was Persianized. And as result, Azerbaijani region formed independent Khanates and fought Qajars. Northern Khanates were annexed by Russia and southern ones by Qajar.


Also tell us about why Iran supports Armenia, still in 2010. Elchibey (may God rest his soul) was president only during 1 year.

That may be the case with Azeri Turks outside of their own regions, but talking about Southern Azerbaijan, there is an strong nationalism. And Persians will never be able to supress that.
 
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Persian, read the history. Have you ever heard of Khanates of Azerbaijan? They were independent Khanates in what is now Azerbaijan prior to Russian invasion. Khanates of Azerbaijan at the same time also fought Qajars.

Seljuqs
Atabegs of Azerbaijan
Ak-Koyunlu
Kara-Koyunlu
Safavids

How were Azerbaijan or Azerbaijanis a part of Iran? Azeri dynasties ruled Iran from 10-11th century untill 16-17th century. Unfortunately, Qajars was Persianized. And as result, Azerbaijani region formed independent Khanates and fought Qajars. Northern Khanates were annexed by Russia and southern ones by Qajar.


Also tell us about why Iran supports Armenia, still in 2010. Elchibey (may God rest his soul) was president only during 1 year.

That may be the case with Azeri Turks outside of their own regions, but talking about Southern Azerbaijan, there is an strong nationalism. And Persians will never be able to supress that.

Firstly, I knew you would address me as a 'Persian' (not that I am concerned) because an Azeri is someone in your mind who agrees with your ethnic chauvinist views or loathes the other ethnicities of Iran. This is why Khomeini, Khamenei and Ahmadinejad are all non-Azeris to you because they could care less about linguistics or provincialism. I like to de-ethnicise myself further so here are some other ethnicities you could use instead next time for it gets rather redundant and boring each time to be Persian: Lur, Baloch, Kurd, Arab, Ajam, Talysh, Mazandarani and so forth.

Continuing...

Russian (because your father is Russian), I would advise you to read the history yourself and without the added ethnic bias. Azerbaijan and the remainder of Iran have existed as a unified state for much of their history and have been united by a series of clans and ruling families. Also, the Qajjars, next to the Pahlavis, amongst the worst ruling dynasties of older Iran, in the duration of Qajjar rule the boundaries and revolts shrunk the domain to less than half their size (roughly modern-day Iran). Regardless, being an element of history, it concerns me the least what is the political status of the Azerbaijani republic, as that is something for it's own people to decide.

First, tell us why Azerbaijan supports Israel? When confronting Armenia, a 'Muslim' card is used and when confronting Israel (or receiving aid from them), Azerbaijan always plays the 'we're a secular country card.' I'll make no mention of the alleged listening posts on the borders. Also, Iran's ties to Armenia are necessitated by Azerbaijan republic's own stances on Iran. Tell us why you haven't answered what was the point of your post with the fallacious map, when as you say, no such claims exist?

Thirdly, how many times have you been to Iranian Azerbaijan to make such claims? Iranians are generally very nationalistic and amongst them Iranian Azeris are probably more nationalistic about Iran. A large proportion of front line deaths were those of Azeris during the Iraqi Imposed war, despite Saddam's main military thrust being situation in lands much further south. The predominant ideology in Iran though is an Islamic one. (note: I know you haven't visited even once, but stated it just to strengthen my point.)

Lastly, what is your failing is the ultra-valuation on ethnicity. If reflects your inability to think out of a pseudo-tribal sense. You remind me of a similar chauvinistic ethnic-Kurd and anti-Turk member Kermanshahi-- except in your case Turkey is replaced by Iran ('fars-estan' in your terminology) and Kurds by Azeris, otherwise the logic is the same fault-ridden one. Indeed, it is better if you argue with him because likewise his answer is always you're lying and so forth despite being shown otherwise and would then continue with ethnic insults. Persians can be as horrid, ****** and demented as Azeris who in turn can be as horrid, ****** and demented as any other people for all three traits recognizes no race. Anyhow, you're answer is going to be, ' you lier' and 'ethnicity is everything' so I'll end the post here sensing it's complete useless.
 
What do you mean by Azerbaijan supports Israel? Azerbaijan sells Israel oil and Israel sells Azerbaijan weapons, technology etc...

While Iranian relation with Armenia are based on Persian Mollah paranoia about Azerbaijan.

Incomparable.
 
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What do you mean by Azerbaijan supports Israel? Azerbaijan sells Israel oil and Israel sells Azerbaijan weapons, technology etc...

While Iranian relation with Armenia are based on Persian Mollah paranoia about Azerbaijan.

Incomparable.

Iranian 'Mollas' have no paranoia about Azerbaijan, rather it is the opposite. Iran was amongst the countries quickest to recognize and establish relations with the republic and the first to sign a mutual diplomatic accord with the new state. In fact they are the one's who were most eager to establish relations with the republic and the one's calling for an elimination of the visa requirements. Elchibey, with his irredentist plans however, made certain that relations were to become mired and alienated the republic from Iran. Ilham Aliyev only aided this view. So, incomparable indeed.

Also, your consensus of Israel-Azerbaijan relations is rather simplistic. The two have economic, bilateral and strategic ties with expanding military relations. Furthermore, there are allegations that Israeli intelligence maintains listening posts along the republic's border with Iran.
 

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