Argentina evaluates Korean FA-50 fighter

[Zarvan]

The Argentine Air Force (Fuerza Aérea Argentina - FAA) is evaluating the Korean Aerospace Industries (KAI) FA-50 Fighting Eagle as a potential new platform, IHS Jane's has learned.

An Argentine delegation visited the Republic of Korea Air Force's (RoKAF's) 16th Fighter Wing at Yecheon on 7 September, according to the Facebook page of one of the FAA pilots who was also photographed taking-off in a TA-50 Golden Eagle operational trainer variant of the FA-50.

No further details were revealed.

The FAA has a pressing need to acquire a new fighter type following the retirement of the Dassault Mirage III and Mirage 5 fleets in late 2015, and the subsequent grounding of the Douglas A-4R Fightinghawk fleet.




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[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I do remember saying this thing was a threat to the JF-17 (and Tejas) in the lightweight fighter market.

http://quwa.org/2015/12/01/keep-an-eye-out-for-south-koreas-fa-50-golden-eagle/

 

[Stannis Baratheon]

I do remember saying this thing was a threat to the JF-17 (and Tejas) in the lightweight fighter market.

http://quwa.org/2015/12/01/keep-an-eye-out-for-south-koreas-fa-50-golden-eagle/

This thing already has an export market. There are 4 countries that have made an order for the Fa-50, whereas neither of Tejas or JF-17 still have to attract any customers.

 

[Jaga Badmash]

This thing already has an export market. There are 4 countries that have made an order for the Fa-50, whereas neither of Tejas or JF-17 still have to attract any customers.

JF-17 already secure 2 export orders and please don't compare any fighter with Tejas.

I do remember saying this thing was a threat to the JF-17 (and Tejas) in the lightweight fighter market.

http://quwa.org/2015/12/01/keep-an-eye-out-for-south-koreas-fa-50-golden-eagle/

FA-50 is a trainer jet hence no comparison with fighter air craft like JF-17.

even Pakistan Air Force is considering purchase of the South Korean KAI T-50 Lead In Fighter Trainer (LIFT) to revamp its Air Force training program.

 

[Penguin]

JF-17 already secure 2 export orders and please don't compare any fighter with Tejas.


FA-50 is a trainer jet hence no comparison with fighter air craft like JF-17.

even Pakistan Air Force is considering purchase of the South Korean KAI T-50 Lead In Fighter Trainer (LIFT) to revamp its Air Force training program.

If it is a trainer, how come it has a FA designation? The FA-50 is very comparable to a light fighter like Northrop F-5.

The T-50 has been developed into aerobatic and combat variants, namely T-50B (trainer), TA-50 (aerobatics), and FA-50.(fighter)

Pakistan Air Force is considering purchase of the South Korean KAI T-50 Lead In Fighter Trainer (LIFT)

The TA-50 variant is a more heavily armed version of the T-50 trainer, intended for lead-in fighter training and light attack roles. It is equipped with the Elta EL/M-2032 fire control radar. The TA-50 is designed to operate as a full-fledged combat platform for precision-guided weapons, air-to-air missiles, and air-to-ground missiles. The TA-50 can mount additional utility pods for reconnaissance, targeting assistance, and electronic warfare.

The FA-50 is the most advanced version of the T-50, possessing more internal fuel capacity, enhanced avionics, a longer radome and a tactical datalink. It is equipped with a modified Israeli EL/M-2032 pulse-Doppler radar with Korean-specific modifications by LIG Nex1. The engine could be either Eurojet EJ200 or General Electric F414, upgraded to 20,000 lb or 22,000 lb thrust, roughly 12-25% higher than the F404's thrust; and are offered to prospective customers for the T-50. The radar of the FA-50 has a range two-thirds greater than the TA-50's radar. The EL/M-2032 was initially chosen over Lockheed Martin's preferred AN/APG-67(V)4 and SELEX Vixen 500E active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars. Other AESA radars such as Raytheon Advanced Combat Radar and Northrop Grumman's Scalable Agile Beam Radar are options for future production. Samsung Thales is also independently developing a domestic multi-mode AESA radar for the FA-50.

T-50B

TA-50

FA-50

 

[Jaga Badmash]

If it is a trainer, how come it has a FA designation? The FA-50 is very comparable to a light fighter like Northrop F-5.

The T-50 has been developed into aerobatic and combat variants, namely T-50B (trainer), TA-50 (aerobatics), and FA-50.(fighter)

Pakistan Air Force is considering purchase of the South Korean KAI T-50 Lead In Fighter Trainer (LIFT)

The TA-50 variant is a more heavily armed version of the T-50 trainer, intended for lead-in fighter training and light attack roles. It is equipped with the Elta EL/M-2032 fire control radar. The TA-50 is designed to operate as a full-fledged combat platform for precision-guided weapons, air-to-air missiles, and air-to-ground missiles. The TA-50 can mount additional utility pods for reconnaissance, targeting assistance, and electronic warfare.

The FA-50 is the most advanced version of the T-50, possessing more internal fuel capacity, enhanced avionics, a longer radome and a tactical datalink. It is equipped with a modified Israeli EL/M-2032 pulse-Doppler radar with Korean-specific modifications by LIG Nex1. The engine could be either Eurojet EJ200 or General Electric F414, upgraded to 20,000 lb or 22,000 lb thrust, roughly 12-25% higher than the F404's thrust; and are offered to prospective customers for the T-50. The radar of the FA-50 has a range two-thirds greater than the TA-50's radar. The EL/M-2032 was initially chosen over Lockheed Martin's preferred AN/APG-67(V)4 and SELEX Vixen 500E active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars. Other AESA radars such as Raytheon Advanced Combat Radar and Northrop Grumman's Scalable Agile Beam Radar are options for future production. Samsung Thales is also independently developing a domestic multi-mode AESA radar for the FA-50.

T-50B

TA-50

FA-50

If we compare it with JF-17 what outcome will come means which is more potent fighter....Does FA-50 has any plans for single seat dedicated fighter?

What you think about inferior speed just mach 1.5 what you think about dog fight scenario.

 

[Zarvan]

If it is a trainer, how come it has a FA designation? The FA-50 is very comparable to a light fighter like Northrop F-5.

The T-50 has been developed into aerobatic and combat variants, namely T-50B (trainer), TA-50 (aerobatics), and FA-50.(fighter)

Pakistan Air Force is considering purchase of the South Korean KAI T-50 Lead In Fighter Trainer (LIFT)

The TA-50 variant is a more heavily armed version of the T-50 trainer, intended for lead-in fighter training and light attack roles. It is equipped with the Elta EL/M-2032 fire control radar. The TA-50 is designed to operate as a full-fledged combat platform for precision-guided weapons, air-to-air missiles, and air-to-ground missiles. The TA-50 can mount additional utility pods for reconnaissance, targeting assistance, and electronic warfare.

The FA-50 is the most advanced version of the T-50, possessing more internal fuel capacity, enhanced avionics, a longer radome and a tactical datalink. It is equipped with a modified Israeli EL/M-2032 pulse-Doppler radar with Korean-specific modifications by LIG Nex1. The engine could be either Eurojet EJ200 or General Electric F414, upgraded to 20,000 lb or 22,000 lb thrust, roughly 12-25% higher than the F404's thrust; and are offered to prospective customers for the T-50. The radar of the FA-50 has a range two-thirds greater than the TA-50's radar. The EL/M-2032 was initially chosen over Lockheed Martin's preferred AN/APG-67(V)4 and SELEX Vixen 500E active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars. Other AESA radars such as Raytheon Advanced Combat Radar and Northrop Grumman's Scalable Agile Beam Radar are options for future production. Samsung Thales is also independently developing a domestic multi-mode AESA radar for the FA-50.

T-50B

TA-50

FA-50

FA-50 is the fi

If it is a trainer, how come it has a FA designation? The FA-50 is very comparable to a light fighter like Northrop F-5.

The T-50 has been developed into aerobatic and combat variants, namely T-50B (trainer), TA-50 (aerobatics), and FA-50.(fighter)

Pakistan Air Force is considering purchase of the South Korean KAI T-50 Lead In Fighter Trainer (LIFT)

The TA-50 variant is a more heavily armed version of the T-50 trainer, intended for lead-in fighter training and light attack roles. It is equipped with the Elta EL/M-2032 fire control radar. The TA-50 is designed to operate as a full-fledged combat platform for precision-guided weapons, air-to-air missiles, and air-to-ground missiles. The TA-50 can mount additional utility pods for reconnaissance, targeting assistance, and electronic warfare.

The FA-50 is the most advanced version of the T-50, possessing more internal fuel capacity, enhanced avionics, a longer radome and a tactical datalink. It is equipped with a modified Israeli EL/M-2032 pulse-Doppler radar with Korean-specific modifications by LIG Nex1. The engine could be either Eurojet EJ200 or General Electric F414, upgraded to 20,000 lb or 22,000 lb thrust, roughly 12-25% higher than the F404's thrust; and are offered to prospective customers for the T-50. The radar of the FA-50 has a range two-thirds greater than the TA-50's radar. The EL/M-2032 was initially chosen over Lockheed Martin's preferred AN/APG-67(V)4 and SELEX Vixen 500E active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars. Other AESA radars such as Raytheon Advanced Combat Radar and Northrop Grumman's Scalable Agile Beam Radar are options for future production. Samsung Thales is also independently developing a domestic multi-mode AESA radar for the FA-50.

T-50B

TA-50

FA-50

FA-50 is the fighter version of TA-50 Sir and it is being produced by South Korea for fighting role and it's quite effective if we look at North Korean Air Force.

 

[Penguin]

If we compare it with JF-17 what outcome will come means which is more potent fighter....Does FA-50 has any plans for single seat dedicated fighter?

What you think about inferior speed just mach 1.5 what you think about dog fight scenario.

What is your point? Argentinia decides what it will consider. That can be JF-17 or FA-50, irrespective of how comparable they are. There is also the small matter of what they can afford. The A4 Skyhawk and Super Etendard jets weren't particularly fast either, yet important during Falklands War

FA-50 is the fi

FA-50 is the fighter version of TA-50 Sir and it is being produced by South Korea for fighting role and it's quite effective if we look at North Korean Air Force.

Yes, that is what I said already

 

[Jaga Badmash]

What is your point? Argentinia decides what it will consider. That can be JF-17 or FA-50, irrespective of how comparable they are. There is also the small matter of what they can afford. The A4 Skyhawk and Super Etendard jets weren't particularly fast either, yet important during Falklands War

Just for your info FA-50 price is same as JF-17 Block II around USD30 million. Probably Pakistan backed of due to relations with UK.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Just for your info FA-50 price is same as JF-17 Block II around USD30 million. Probably Pakistan backed of due to relations with UK.

That has already been explained here:

https://defence.pk/threads/full-sto...b-gripen-ng-and-eyes-second-hand-kfir.388391/

Argentina was not satisfied with the JF-17 that was on offer, and the modifications needed,
would make the price of the solution unattractive.

For the Gripen E, the UK would veto use of UK manufactured equipment,
and while it would be possible to replace them, the cost a redesign would make the
price unattractive.

 

[Penguin]

Just for your info FA-50 price is same as JF-17 Block II around USD30 million. Probably Pakistan backed of due to relations with UK.

But you have to consider not single aircraft cost but total package (i.e. including spares, training, maintenance services etc. It may well be that one or the other gives better value for money in that respect.).
And this is coupled to operational costs (over the lifetime) > an engine like RD-33 or the derivative used in JF-17 may well require more maintenance (fewer hours between service) and may be more expensive for that reason (reliability). Or one or the other engine may consume more fuel (efficiency).
So it is not that simple a comparison.

REPOST FROM: https://defenseissues.wordpress.com/2014/12/06/fighter-aircraft-engine-comparision/

Mechanical reliability and maintainability

Mechanical reliability depends in part on mechanical complexity. While most engines use the same basic architecture, there are things they very clearly differ in.

EJ200 has 8 compressor and 2 turbine stages
M88 has 9 compressor and 2 turbine stages
RM-12 has 10 compressor and 2 turbine stages
F-135 has 9 compressor and 3 turbine stages
F-119 has 9 compressor and 2 turbine stages
F404-GE-402 has 10 compressor and 2 turbine stages
F414-400 has 10 compressor and 2 turbine stages
AL-31F has 13 compressor and 2 turbine stages
AL-41F has 13 compressor and 2 turbine stages

While this is a vast oversimplification, going by number of stages alone, EJ200 would be the most reliable and easiest to maintan, while AL-31 would be the least reliable. EJ200 also has the fewest 1st stage fan blades of any modern fighter aircraft engine. F-119 has an additional failure point in form of the thrust vectoring nozzle, and the F-135 variant used on the F-35B has two additional failure points – TVC nozzle and a lift fan, plus a third failure point in form of doors for the lift fan which techically are not part of the engine. In the F-135s case, several weight reduction measures also made it far more vulnerable to the combat damage.

Many of these engines also use modular design to simplify maintenance. Number of modules is as follows:

EJ200: 15
M88: 21
RM-12: 6
F-135: 5
F-119: 4
F404-GE-402: 6
F-414-400: 6

As it can be seen, M88 and EJ200 would be easiest to maintain, especially the M88.

Service life is as follows:

EJ200: 6.000 h
M88: ??
RM-12: 4.000 h
F-135: 2.000 h
F119: 6.000 h (?)
F404-GE-402: 4.000 h
F414-400: 6.000 h
AL-31F: 1.500 h
AL-41F: 4.000 h

Overall, EJ200 is the most user-friendly engine.