Are you in favor of IRGC's involvement in non-military fields ? ( Iranian members only )

[The SiLent crY]

In the name of God

Hey fellas ,

Many of you might already know me and some new members might not . I used to be a hot-headed supporter of the Islamic Republic a couple of years ago but as the time went by and I witnessed things inside the IR , it dramatically changed my perspective nevertheless I'm still a supporter of the Islamic Republic's core ideas or better slogans , many of which have sadly proven to be unachievable dreams in my humble opinion .

A question that has risen in my mind over the past few months is about the IRGC and its influence inside the country . I haven't been able to measure whether their role in our internal affairs such as Economy , Politics , Culture , Sports and on top of all that management is constructive and positive or the opposite .

I would appreciate your comments . especially guys like @Serpentine God what's the meaning of the user name man ? Are you fucking with us?! , @mohsen who seems to be a total principlist though we never saw things eye to eye but I've always respected him , @SOHEIL , who I still think is a perv jerk but in a good way and all other Iranian members . ( Sorry if I forgot to mention other members ) .

 

[Full Moon]

In the name of God

Hey fellas ,

Many of you might already know me and some new members might not . I used to be a hot-headed supporter of the Islamic Republic a couple of years ago but as the time went by and I witnessed things inside the IR , it dramatically changed my perspective nevertheless I'm still a supporter of the Islamic Republic's core ideas or better slogans , many of which have sadly proven to be unachievable dreams in my humble opinion .

A question that has risen in my mind over the past few months is about the IRGC and its influence inside the country . I haven't been able to measure whether their role in our internal affairs such as Economy , Politics , Culture , Sports and on top of all that management is constructive and positive or the opposite .

I would appreciate your comments . especially guys like @Serpentine God what's the meaning of the user name man ? Are you fucking with us?! , @mohsen who seems to be a total principlist though we never saw things eye to eye but I've always respected him , @SOHEIL , who I still think is a perv jerk but in a good way and all other Iranian members . ( Sorry if I forgot to mention other members ) .[/QUOTE
IRGC

You are taking steps in the right direction. The answer is no, the IRGC should keep itself away from politics and shut down Khatem Al Anbia خاتم الأنبياء Company that it operates. This is not possible, however, because no one gives up power willingly.

 

[mohsen]

In the name of God

Hey fellas ,

Many of you might already know me and some new members might not . I used to be a hot-headed supporter of the Islamic Republic a couple of years ago but as the time went by and I witnessed things inside the IR , it dramatically changed my perspective nevertheless I'm still a supporter of the Islamic Republic's core ideas or better slogans , many of which have sadly proven to be unachievable dreams in my humble opinion .

A question that has risen in my mind over the past few months is about the IRGC and its influence inside the country . I haven't been able to measure whether their role in our internal affairs such as Economy , Politics , Culture , Sports and on top of all that management is constructive and positive or the opposite .

I would appreciate your comments . especially guys like @Serpentine God what's the meaning of the user name man ? Are you fucking with us?! , @mohsen who seems to be a total principlist though we never saw things eye to eye but I've always respected him , @SOHEIL , who I still think is a perv jerk but in a good way and all other Iranian members . ( Sorry if I forgot to mention other members ) .

IRGC chief commander already explained that they wont take the projects that internal companies can take.

so the question is wrong and misleading.
this is the right question:
which one do you prefer, foreign companies and foreign workers or IRGC backed private companies and internal workers?

for example in the south pars field, do you prefer the IRGC to use the private companies to take the projects, use Iranian workers and engineers, work on R&D to develop domestic products or do you prefer foreign companies like TOTAL with super extra concessions to take the projects, use foreign workers, be able to withdraw from projects at any minute and threaten our policies and independence, keep us backwarded and dependent forever and finally give our secret information to our rival countries (as they did all of it in the past)?

are you satisfied with the current state of our car industry, assembling the lowest quality cars in the world with few times more price? that's an example of cooperation with foreign companies. if you like it then stand against IRGC's involvement in our economy.

IRGC isn't just a military unite, it's an organization, remember it's full name, the guardians of revolution, economy is part of that revolution too.

me personally wish someday IRGC would push away all of our fake car manufactures (assembly facilities with layers upon layers of corruption).

 

[PeeD]

The construction capability and technology of the IRGC is responsible for the vast underground missile "cities".

They can either leave their very high (expensive) capability unused when one phase of the missile cities is completed or use it as mohsen correctly said in cases where internal companies have no capability due to size or complexity.

This is perfectly in the national interest, as national resources were spent to equip the IRGC with the necessary high capability which then again was necessary for the missile cities (THE national deterrence).

The IRGC's missile deterrence would likely never be where it is now without their own income. The budget given to them is too small for how they are actually performing.
However it must be kept a close eye that private companies are not significantly harmed.

 

[ilia]

Khatem Al Anbia in Iran = army corps of engineers in USA

So...

 

[OldTwilight]

The silent cry

I'm sure you really didn't work with private companies in khouzestan , busher , and other provinces ( except Tehran or esfahan ) ....

Most of workers and engineers prefer working for IRIGc Rather than so called private companies .....

 

[AmirPatriot]

The construction capability and technology of the IRGC is responsible for the vast underground missile "cities".

They can either leave their very high (expensive) capability unused when one phase of the missile cities is completed or use it as mohsen correctly said in cases where internal companies have no capability due to size or complexity.

This is perfectly in the national interest, as national resources were spent to equip the IRGC with the necessary high capability which then again was necessary for the missile cities (THE national deterrence).

The IRGC's missile deterrence would likely never be where it is now without their own income. The budget given to them is too small for how they are actually performing.
However it must be kept a close eye that private companies are not significantly harmed.

Personally I don't think the military should get involved in anything that isn't, well, the military. Economy, politics are a no go.

IRGC construction capabilities can be used to to construct military facilities, like factories (and the assorted hardened aircraft shelters), airbases, ports, etc.

 

[PeeD]

@AmirPatriot

I think you would be right if Iram wouldn't be a developing country.

However Iran is a sanctioned developing country and doesn't have many private construction companies capable of doing very complex projects.
South Pars is one example where foreign companies pulled out and left a vacuum, a strategic one for national economy.

Taking this into consideration, Iran is different from other countries and such concepts would only weaken it at this point.
They simply have got a very high capacity because of the missile cities that are secret and could not have been done by private companies. Later they had to expand more in different direction due to South Pars.
All the resources and capabilities they have built up can't be just used on bases and other military structure.

The IRGC needed initially a very high capacity for its missile cities. This was the start of what some circles feel as a "problem" now.
Chinas underground great wall project went over many decades (6-7) and also needed such huge resources. China is now just so developed in infrastructure capability and just due to it's sheer size that the military group that built it, is not as well visible as Irans Khatam ol Anbiya. China might be even so far by now to have disbanded this capability, I don't know, but work on Irans missile cities is continuing.

 

[AmirPatriot]

@AmirPatriot

I think you would be right if Iram wouldn't be a developing country.

However Iran is a sanctioned developing country and doesn't have many private construction companies capable of doing very complex projects.
South Pars is one example where foreign companies pulled out and left a vacuum, a strategic one for national economy.

Taking this into consideration, Iran is different from other countries and such concepts would only weaken it at this point.
They simply have got a very high capacity because of the missile cities that are secret and could not have been done by private companies. Later they had to expand more in different direction due to South Pars.
All the resources and capabilities they have built up can't be just used on bases and other military structure.

The IRGC needed initially a very high capacity for its missile cities. This was the start of what some circles feel as a "problem" now.
Chinas underground great wall project went over many decades (6-7) and also needed such huge resources. China is now just so developed in infrastructure capability and just due to it's sheer size that the military group that built it, is not as well visible as Irans Khatam ol Anbiya. China might be even so far by now to have disbanded this capability, I don't know, but work on Irans missile cities is continuing.

My worry is that the IRGC's influence will be such that even when Iran becomes more developed, they won't halt their economic activities...

 

[ilia]

How many companies in iran can do such projects except khatam ?

 

[OldTwilight]

How many companies in iran can do such projects except khatam ?

Give these projects to private companies in Iran and after years there will be in finished projects and thousands workers who ask for payments

 

[raptor22]

I don't know if comparing this 2 is ok or not but somehow Khatam Anbia is like this :
United States Army Corps of Engineers
google its projects ...

 

[AmirPatriot]

I don't know if comparing this 2 is ok or not but somehow Khatam Anbia is like this :
United States Army Corps of Engineers
google its projects ...

The US has huge lobbying groups for the military-industrial complex, so they are not exactly a good example.

Though the US military unlike the IRGC is not ideologically motivated.

 

[Full Moon]

I highly doubt that it is the capabilities factor that makes IRGC involved in infrastructure projects. I think the IRGC just needs to have some sources to fund its own operations inside Iran and out. It also feels entitled to bigger portion of government expenditure that they won't get in the allocated budget for the Iranian government. Hence, their involvement in these infrastructure projects which is basically a second job (moonlighting). Otherwise, private entities all over the world are usually better managed than government owned entities, by far.

 

[Cthulhu]

In the name of God

Hey fellas ,

Many of you might already know me and some new members might not . I used to be a hot-headed supporter of the Islamic Republic a couple of years ago but as the time went by and I witnessed things inside the IR , it dramatically changed my perspective nevertheless I'm still a supporter of the Islamic Republic's core ideas or better slogans , many of which have sadly proven to be unachievable dreams in my humble opinion .

A question that has risen in my mind over the past few months is about the IRGC and its influence inside the country . I haven't been able to measure whether their role in our internal affairs such as Economy , Politics , Culture , Sports and on top of all that management is constructive and positive or the opposite .

I would appreciate your comments . especially guys like @Serpentine God what's the meaning of the user name man ? Are you fucking with us?! , @mohsen who seems to be a total principlist though we never saw things eye to eye but I've always respected him , @SOHEIL , who I still think is a perv jerk but in a good way and all other Iranian members . ( Sorry if I forgot to mention other members ) .

I'm not sure about the economic part, but i'm sure that these guys shouldn't have any political power.