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Are Russians more productive than Chinese??

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Russians are more industrial or technical oriented than Chinese, but you are less production minded than us...hh
 
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village area is far larger than city. in far east russia, most people are doing farming. i have been there, nice place.

Is there any locals there or just white russians? I heard when Russia steal those lands from China, they killed most of the local people there, is that true?
 
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No Russians are not. They used to be, but not any longer. Chinese industries are very productive. As of late, standards are improving and we are seeing better working conditions for labour force. Not to mention, increased wages.
 
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China's Growing Interests in Siberia


There are just 6 million Russians left on the Siberian side of the border with China. Ninety million Chinese, backed by a voracious economy, live on the other side. China's influence in Russia's far east is growing rapidly and Siberia has become the raw material supplier to Beijing's economic miracle.

One needs a lot of time and patience to reach the remote Russian settlement of Mirnaya. It takes almost four days to cover the 5,000 kilometers (3,100 miles) from Moscow to Lake Baikal in Siberia. Another 1,000 kilometers brings one to the regional capital of Chita, an old Cossack center. Mirnaya is still another 300 kilometers by car to the southeast, in the direction of China.

The name Mirnaya means "The Peaceful One." But these days there is little evidence of peace and security in Mirnaya. Stray dogs roam the streets among collapsed houses. The long winters have torn holes the size of sinks into the asphalt. And apathy is reflected in the eyes of the town's few remaining residents.

Mirnaya was once a thriving garrison town with a movie theater, a kindergarten and a park. The Soviet army maintained a base here to keep an eye on neighboring China. Then the Soviet Union collapsed and the military left. To survive, those who stayed behind gradually dismantled and sold off what was left, piece by piece. First they removed the windows from the prefabricated buildings where the officers had once lived and sold them in Chita. Then they ripped radiators and pipes from the walls and sold them to scrap dealers, who then sold the metal in China. The buildings now stand like skeletons in the steppes, evidence of a ruined country.

"My brother Vadim died in one of those buildings when he was 32," says Irina, "and so did six others." Vadim eked out a living by breaking stones from the ruins, selling them for one ruble, or 2.5 cents, apiece. The last stone was one stone too many. When Vadim removed it, the ceiling collapsed.

Tea, Vodka and Beer

Irina, who is from the neighboring village of Besrezhnaya, works as a waitress in the Café Mariya, which is just past Mirnaya on the road to China. Her customers spend much of their time drowning their sorrows in tea, vodka and beer.

Her friend Galina penned a letter to Russian President Dmitry Medvedev at the beginning of the year. "I'm not asking you this for myself," she wrote in her appeal to the president. "I would like you to pay more attention to our region. We have no doctors, no pharmacy and no work. There is nothing here!" Her village has a population of 713. Last year, 27 people died but not a single child was born. "If nothing happens here, we will have to go to China as guest workers," says Galina. "Or slave away in our country as coolies for the Chinese."

China is at the center of many conversations in Mirnaya. But shouldn't the Kremlin be deeply concerned over what is happening beyond Lake Baikal? The border between the fallen superpower Russia and the People's Republic, which is gradually becoming a superpower, measures 3,645 kilometers, one of the longest borders in the world. And perhaps this border, where Europe's last offshoots encounter 1.3 billion Chinese, and where Christianity collides with Buddhism and Confucianism, is also one of the most important in the power struggles of the new century.

Could an alliance develop in this region between two powerful countries that would finally put an end to American dominance of the world? One of the two has the raw materials that the other one needs so urgently. Or will the land of Vladimir Putin become a bulwark against an increasingly self-confident China, and thus become the natural partner of the West? Or will neither of these scenarios come to pass, when overpopulated China simply swallows up depopulated Siberia?

A look at Mirnaya suggests that the third scenario could very well come to pass. Now that the planned economy no longer exists, few Russians are moving to an area where the temperatures remain below freezing for more than half of the year. They lack the incentives to do so, now that the government no longer pays fringe benefits and offers generous vacation entitlement to those willing to settle in the region.

Forgotten by the Kremlin

Siberia, which covers three-quarters of the landmass of Russia, is home to only a quarter of the country's population: 38 million people. This is the equivalent of the population of Poland, except that Siberia is 40 times the size. It is a situation that many fear could once again spark the eternal rivalry between Russia and China, a rivalry that last produced military clashes in the 1960s.

Chinese investors have already bought a former tank factory in Chita, where they are now producing trucks. They already control the markets in Russian border towns, where they are the richest private business owners. "China invests more in the Russian Far East than our own government does," writes the Moscow newspaper Niezawisimaja Gazieta.

The people in Mirnaya also complain that the Kremlin has forgotten them. The poet Maxim Gorky described the region, where Moscow's former rulers frequently exiled opponents, as nothing but a "land of chains and ice." Beginning in the 16th century, Cossacks and settlers began to claim the land on behalf of the czars in the biggest land grab in history. In those days, the fur trade was the region's biggest attraction, while today oil and gas are its main draw. Russia's wealth lies in the ground beneath Siberia -- and is frittered away in glittering Moscow.

But the Moscow elite is only too aware of its failures in the region -- and the gradual expansion of the Chinese generates fear in the corridors of the Kremlin.

New Balance of Power

Years ago Dmitry Rogozin, Russia's eloquent NATO ambassador, said half-jokingly that the Chinese would soon be "crossing the border in small groups of five million." And Vladimir Putin, shortly after being elected president, warned: "Unless we make a serious effort, the Russians in the border regions will have to speak Chinese, Japanese and Korean in a few decades." This hardly seems an exaggeration, given that there are six million Russians living in Eastern Siberia, compared with the 90 million living in China's northern provinces.

The new balance of power is particularly conspicuous at the Zabaikalsk-Manzhouli border crossing, an hour's drive from Mirnaya.

Russian tourists heading to China to buy inexpensive goods are forced to wait up to 12 hours in their cars. These people, who work for distributors and are popularly known as "silk worms" or "camels," travel to China several times a month to bring goods to Russia: jeans and blouses, electric shavers and children's toys, athletic shoes made by a low-wage manufacturer called "Adidos" and chainsaws labeled "Stihl." They are pirated products, and are manufactured in southern China.

Mariya Sergeyeva, a retiree who once worked for the customs service, is traveling on one of the buses that shuttle back and forth between Zabaikalsk and the Chinese city of Manzhouli every hour. She wants to have her hair teased and buy underwear for her grandchildren. "After the border opened 20 years ago, my mother brought the Chinese used plates, knives, forks and curtains," she recalls. "And preserved meat."

continue with Part II & III: Change in Russia's Far East: China's Growing Interests in Siberia - SPIEGEL ONLINE
 
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Don't call them twin cities


BLAGOVESHCHENSK, Russia—Across the Amur River, which forms the border between Russia and China, the city of Heihe gleams. The brand-new Yuan Dun shopping center juts into the water, its name written in Cyrillic letters large enough to be seen the half-mile across the river. At night, the Vegas-like lights of Heihe's downtown reflect in the river, and a spotlight makes circles in the sky, like a car dealership trying to draw customers.

Among Russians in Blagoveshchensk, a two-day train ride east of Irkutsk, the sight of Heihe across the water is a source of both admiration and defensiveness. During my time here I was told over and over that although Heihe looks impressive from a distance, up close the city can be dirty and chaotic. Others mentioned that that the central government in Beijing lavishes extra attention on Heihe—other cities of its size don't have those bright lights—because it's on the border. Russians have seen this sort of thing before: "It's a Potemkin village," said Nikolai Kukharenko, the Russian head of the Chinese-government-run Confucius Institute in Blagoveshchensk. *

At the same time, Russians love Heihe. Several ferries a day carry over tourists and shoppers looking for cheap Chinese electronics and clothes, and so many people made their livelihood in the "suitcase trade"—buying cheap things in China to sell for a profit in Russia—that Blagoveshchensk's downtown has a monument to the traders, complete with an inscription that reads, "For the hard work and optimism of the entrepreneurs of the Amur," referring to the region that includes Blagoveshchensk.

For most of the last century, this border was closed. In 1969, the Soviet Union and China even fought a battle over a disputed island farther downstream. Hundreds of soldiers died.

But it reopened in 1989, and the fact that ordinary Russians and Chinese could cross the border freely added a new wrinkle to the already complex relationship between the two powers. In particular, Russians were forced to confront an uncomfortable demographic fact: This part of their country was strategically important, badly underpopulated, and right next to a China bursting at the seams.

The Russian Far East, the eastern edge of Siberia that borders China and the Pacific Ocean, has only 6 million people, and that number is dropping fast. Just across the border, though, the three provinces of northeastern China have about 110 million people. Meanwhile, the Russian Far East has substantial reserves of oil, natural gas, and coal, which China needs to run its supercharged economy.

All that has led many Russians to fear that China will eventually exert control over the region. "f we do not step up the level of activity of our work [in the Russian Far East], then in the final analysis we can lose everything," Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said last year. Kukharenko of the Confucius Institute spelled it out for me: "It's a law of physics, a vacuum has to be filled," he said. "If there are no Russian people here, there will be Chinese people."

That's why Russia has serious misgivings about its neighbors to the south, as a trip along the border makes plain. While Beijing has moved aggressively to court Russian visitors and business, Russia's central government has largely neglected the areas that act as the gateway to China. The few new buildings in Blagoveshchensk—some shopping centers and a high-rise hotel—were built by a Chinese company.

While Blagoveshchensk is relatively prosperous, at least by the standards of Russian cities of its size, Heihe has positively boomed. It was just a village in 1989, and now it has 200,000 people, about the same as Blagoveshchensk. And in contrast to Heihe's glitzy, welcoming facade, Blagoveshchensk's barely lighted waterfront promenade features a Soviet-era World War II memorial that consists of a gunship with its barrels aimed across the river, toward China.

In one telling episode, in 2007, in an apparent attempt to play up its Russian connection and appeal to tourists, Heihe placed garbage cans that were designed to look like Russian matryoshka dolls around the city. Some excessively sensitive Russians saw this as an insult—Russian culture was trash. The mini-scandal made national TV news in Russia, and the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs protested. So Heihe's government painted the trash cans over. (I later saw panda-shaped trash cans in another Chinese city, which suggests that the matryoshkas were, in fact, a friendly gesture.) In Blagoveshchensk, meanwhile, a new government-run cultural center was originally named Albazin, after the fort built by early Russian settlers to defend the territory from China, until local historians petitioned the government to change it, saying the name was unnecessarily provocative.

In several small ways, the Russian government has made it difficult for Russians and Chinese to interact. Heihe has street signs in Russian, but there is almost no Chinese to be seen in Blagoveshchensk. While Russians can cross into Heihe visa-free for a short visit, Chinese can't do the same to Blagoveshchensk. The local government gave the license to operate ferries that cross the river to a politically connected local monopoly, which charges more than $40 for the 10-minute ride. (Chinese visiting Russia use a different company, which charges much less.) China has offered to pay for a bridge between the two cities, but the Russian side has dragged its feet for years, said Yevgeny Kuzmin, a local journalist. "It's always the Chinese side that takes the initiative," he said.

The Russian government recently made the suitcase trade much more difficult by reducing the amount of clothes, electronics, and other consumer goods that Russians can bring back into the country duty-free and the frequency with which they can take such trips. One city official, who spoke to me on condition of anonymity, said that while Heihe's government is promoting the idea of Heihe and Blagoveshchensk as "twin cities," Blagoveshchensk's government is balking. "Heihe is always pushing this relationship more," she said. "They get a lot of money from the central government, so they have lots of proposals and ideas for programs, but we don't have the money for that."

The central government has given Blagoveshchensk funds for one thing, though: a new waterfront. Moscow has committed about $200 million for a five-year program to create a completely new waterfront facade for the city, a spokeswoman for the city told me. The plan will entail dumping sand into the river to add nearly 100 acres of prime riverfront real estate and then building brand-new high-rises along the new shore.

I asked if the new plan called for lights as impressive as Heihe's. "We'll do our best," she said with a smile. But the World War II memorial, with the gun pointed at China? It's staying.

Don't Call Them Twin Cities - Slate Magazine
 
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looking at Heihe across from Blagoveshchensk
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Russian travellers board a hovercraft to return to Blagoveshensk, Russia at the Heihe Port, northeast China's Heilongjiang Province, Oct. 26, 2012. China and Russia on Friday started the hovercraft transportation over the Heihe section of the Heilongjiang River, a border river between the two nations, and a total of 16 hovercrafts were put into service this yea
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Not many docks on this side, but they are still happy shoppers
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Notice all the stores in Heihe have Russian name signs
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Heihe at night
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There are not too many shops in Blagoveshchensk
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Stores in Blagoveshchensk
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How Russians are productive when there's nothing to buy in Blagoveshchensk?
 
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western media quotes
seriously i cant take you seriously with western media quotes, they dramatize russia and especially russian far east on porpoise in hope russia will be afraid of china so they join the west and putin fails. Fact is russian far east federal district has 6.2 million people, if you count that way you need to count on chinas side as well, which means that its 6 million vs 38 million. Hailjong has 38 million and not 90 million, we dont count european russia as well when it comes to far east. So dumb the media you quoted.

chinese make also less children than russians, chinese fertility rate is 1.54 according to cia world factbook and chinese census said its 1.4 in 2010. Russian ftr is 1.61 in 2011. Russian birth rate is 12.6/per 1000 people and chinas is 11.93 both 2011. And russian far east district has 13.9 and siberian district has 15.
Demographics of Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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looking at Heihe across from Blagoveshchensk
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Russian travellers board a hovercraft to return to Blagoveshensk, Russia at the Heihe Port, northeast China's Heilongjiang Province, Oct. 26, 2012. China and Russia on Friday started the hovercraft transportation over the Heihe section of the Heilongjiang River, a border river between the two nations, and a total of 16 hovercrafts were put into service this yea
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Not many docks on this side, but they are still happy shoppers
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Notice all the stores in Heihe have Russian name signs
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Heihe at night
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There are not too many shops in Blagoveshchensk
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Stores in Blagoveshchensk
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How Russians are productive when there's nothing to buy in Blagoveshchensk?

How are russians not more productive if they have the money to buy things in china?? And dont you get my point was that russians have build and substained a city which is 3 times as large as heihe with only 8 times less population. Yeah great chinese have some more light on their city and here and there a building higher great but they also need it as they have 8 times more people.
Russians for their size have more accomplished on the other side of the armur. And just look at heihe they need russian money so bad to substain their city lol so they put russian names at their store. I thought russian far east becomes chinese but it seems its the other way around, heihe becomes a russian city in the future if things dont change.

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Открытие байкерского сезона-2012 в Благовещенске - YouTube

Look people of Blagoveshchensk have even the money to make to make festivals like that and tuning their cars.


List of Russian federal subjects by GRP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of Chinese administrative divisions by GDP per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And you can also see that russian far east had a gdp per capita of 14,650 us dollars in 2009 and the armur region where Blagoveshchensk lies had 9,605. And Heilongjiang had 5,971 dollars. You also can see that the Sakhalin Oblast had a gdp per capita of 41,777 us dollars which is higher than japan.

You also can see on the russian data that the european russian gdp per capita was shrinking during the crisis of 2009 but it grew in the far east region and other asian parts showing the economic potential of the region.
 
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Is there any locals there or just white russians? I heard when Russia steal those lands from China, they killed most of the local people there, is that true?

no they still live. And in yakutia they are even the majority, russian defense minister is Buryjat now. Is chinese defense minister uighur or tibetan?? Nop.
Ancient Mysticism: Spirits talk to shamans in Russia's Far East - YouTube
Buryat, Evenk minorities in Russian Eastern Siberis - RT 110422 - YouTube
 
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Russians are more industrial or technical oriented than Chinese, but you are less production minded than us...hh

you sure?? We have even a big IT market now. Russian smartphones and tablets by russian companies like texet, megafon, fly, mts, RitMix beleene and many more. Show me what your sweden has, nothing has sweden like that its all korean, japanese, chinese and american companies.

Мегафон SP-A20i Mint - впечатления - YouTube

Промо-ролик смартпэда teXet TM-5200 - YouTube

Обзор Fly IQ441 Radiance - YouTube

Яндекс выходит на NASDAQ - YouTube

Big in Japan. Maedo Atsuko presents Kaspersky Internet Security 2011 - YouTube
 
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