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Are all Pakistanis Equal ?

so we r not equal ???

NO we aren't equal because we still haven't learned the art of giving respect to others unconditionally... I firmly believe the notion of 'equality' needs to be revisit. we have politicized this word so much that it mean mostly anything. It's just a platitude.
 
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Even under the Constituion of Pakistan - All Pakistani's are not Equal

Only Muslims in pakistan can occupy High positions in govt. Like the Prime Ministers post and the President of Pakistan's post.

That will effectively exclude ( Ahmedia's , Hindus, Sikhs, Christians and other religious minorities)


its the constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. As for the minorities representation, let me give a you crash course on the names of individuals belongs from minorities that made us proud to be Pakistanis. To a name a few

Ahmadiyya
a) - Muhammad Zafrulla Khan – first Foreign Minister of Pakistan (1947–54), President of the UN General Assembly (1962–64), President of the International Court of Justice (1970–73)

b) Akhtar Hussain Malik – lieutenant general of the Pakistan Army, 1965 war hero

Hindu

c) Justice Rana Bhagwandas, former Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Pakistan.

Christian

d) Sarah Francis, was the youngest nominee for the President's Pride of Performance award.

e) James Shera was awarded the Star of Pakistan (highest civil award) by the President of Pakistan, for services to community.


Pakistanis' arent concerned about the Moslim vs Non Moslims or US or India, we are concerned about the basic necessities of life and safety of our loved ones.
 
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its the constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. As for the minorities representation, let me give a you crash course on the names of individuals belongs from minorities that made us proud to be Pakistanis.

Pakistanis' arent concerned about the Moslim vs Non Moslims or US or India, we are concerned about the basic necessities of life and safety of our loved ones.

Do you mean to say there equality in pakistan but only among Muslim Pakistani's but not other communities.

Then How is it equality ?

Isn't that a self goal.
 
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I will make a very controversial statement, and every one will start accusing me based on my country's flag.

Even under the Constituion of Pakistan - All Pakistani's are not Equal

Only Muslims in pakistan can occupy High positions in govt. Like the Prime Ministers post and the President of Pakistan's post. ( Dont know wheather Military chiefs also have such restriction or not)

That will effectively exclude ( Ahmedia's , Hindus, Sikhs, Christians and other religious minorities)

I am ready now, Let the bashing begin.
Do you know who Justice Baghwandas is?

As far PM and President is concerned they must be Muslim because its ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN. Do you have any problem?

A sikh officer in Armed forces means if he have guts he'll reach COAS level.





Ohh God. Why am i replying to a person who only comes here to troll.
 
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Do you know who Justice Baghwandas is?

As far PM and President is concerned they must be Muslim because its ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN. Do you have any problem?

A sikh officer in Armed forces means if he have guts he'll reach COAS level.

Ohh God. Why am i replying to a person who only comes here to troll.

I know who Justice Bhagwandas is but it does not change the fact that showhow in pakistan Muslims more equal than the other community Pakistanis.

First under the concept of " Equality " and then label me a Troll ( if you cant find the correct reason and left with nothing to defend your position - you label me a troll)
 
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I know who Justice Bhagwandas is but it does not change the fact that showhow in pakistan Muslims more equal than the other community Pakistanis.

First under the concept of " Equality " and then label me a Troll ( if you cant find the correct reason and left with nothing to defend your position - you label me a troll)

Here is a reply that I gave to someone a month ago or so. Use this to get your answer regarding minorities in Pakistan.

1. What is the status of Ahmedis ?

Though Ahmadies are classified as non muslims, they are a very influential minority in Pakistan, represented highly in civil and military sectors. They do not disclose their religion much because they do not consider themselves as different from other muslims.

Federal Baboos include 10 Jews

By Ansar Abbasi

ISLAMABAD: Whether you believe it or not, the federal government civil servants include ten declared Jews.

Generally it is considered that Pakistan, which contains minorities following diverse religious beliefs, does not have Jew population but the 12th census of civil servants proves it, otherwise.

There is no assessment of exact population of Jews in Pakistan but the federal civil servants' census report confirmed that 10 of the total federal civil servants are declared Jews. Without showing their names, as it seems suitable to ensure their safety and security, the report says that the ten Jews include one officer in BPS 18; one in BPS 17; four in BPS 16; one in BPS 14 and three in BPS 13. There is, however, no Jew serving in senior grades of BPS 19 to 22.

According to the official data, an overwhelming majority (97.5 per cent) of the federal civil servants are Muslims. There are 508 (0.2 pc) Ahmadis, 422 (0.2pc) Hindus (caste and non-caste), 24 Buddhists, 3,819 (1.6pc) Christians, 10 Jews, 12 Parsis and 45 belonging to other different religions. Interestingly 0.5pc employees have not disclosed their religion.

The strength of Muslim employees in BPS 19 to 22 is 97.7pc; BS 17 to 18 is 97.9pc; BS 16 is 97.7pc; BS 11 to 15 is 98.3pc; BS 3 to 10 is 98.7pc and BS 1 to 2 is 95.1pc. The statistic shows that strength of Ahmadis, generally known as Qadianis, in BS 19 to 22 is 0.9pc; in BS 17 and 18 is 0.9pc; in BS 16 is 0.8pc; in BS 11 to 15 is 0.3pc; in BS 3 to 10 is 0.1pc and in BS 1 to 2 is 0.1pc.

The statistics about Qadiani employees shows that they mostly hold senior positions in the federal civilian bureaucracy. The percentage of Qadiani officials shrinks as one observes their number against lower tiers. However, it is expected that most of the 0.5pc of the federal civil servants, who did not disclose their religion, are also Qadianis.

The BPS-wise analysis shows that Hindus are nine BS 19 to 22 officers in the federal bureaucracy. They are in BS-17 to 18; nine in BS-16; 39 in BS-11 to 15; 85 in BS-3 to 10 and 254 in BS-1 to 2.

The analysis about Buddhist employees reveals that out of the total 24 civil servants belonging to this religion, one is serving against BS-19; one in BS-18; one in BS-14; one in BS-9; four in BS-7; one in BS-6; four in BS 5; two in BS-2 and nine in BS-1.

Scrutiny of the Christian employees indicates that an overwhelming majority of them ie 2,784 out of the total 3,819 are in BS-1 and BS-2. In other scales they are: 613 in BS-3 to 10; 307 in BS-11 to 15; 77 in BS-16; 32 in BS-17 to 18; four in BS-19; and one each in BS-20 and BS-21. The study of federal civil servants also shows that a total of 12 civil servants belong to Parsi religion. These include one in BS-18; one in BS-17; three in BS-16; one in BS-11; one in BS-7 and five in BS-1.

About the prospects of upward mobility of the civil servants belonging to minorities, a senior official of the establishment division said the government employees have equal opportunities of promotion as enjoyed by their Muslims colleagues. The establishment division is of the view that any discrimination on the basis of religion or caste etc is unconstitutional. It is said that quite a large number of officers belonging to minorities have made it to the top echelons of the civilian bureaucracy and are given important assignments.

2. How does pakistan treat Shia ?

President is Shia, enough said.

3. What was the % population of the minorities (Christian, Jew, Hindu, etc) during 1947 and now ?

We use the first census carried out in 1950/1 to determine the decrease or increase of minorities in WEST PAKISTAN alone, Indian media uses 1947 indicators to distort the truth to show a Pakistan where minorities are decreasing which is incorrect. Lets leave Bangladesh out and concentrate on the statistics of west Pakistan. I will use hindus as an example who have increased over time.

Now lets answer your question, 1947 stats cannot be used becuase of mass migration of hindus towars india. Lets use 1950 for a better comparison shall we as it was when the migration and internal deisplacemt was over. There were 39,448,232 people in Pakistan and a total of 6.54 milllion hindus, of which 5.4 million left for India.

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/akhwaja/papers/The%20Big%20March%20December%202005.pdf

Now Pakistan was left with 1.1 million from whom half were unfortunately killed from Muslims who heard of killing in India of other Muslims.

So by that account 500,000 hindus were left and today they are higher than 4 million, percentage does not matter becuase muslim population boomed and there were alot of immigrants who entered Pakistan.

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Islamic Revelution Against Terrorism: Did Hindu Population Decrease to 3% in Pakistan?

Similarly we have many hindus who serve in our civil service and have reached great heights. Today there are 4 million hindus in Pakistan, increases from half a million.

Pak Hindu MPs stage walkout over terror slur - Pakistan - World - The Times of India

4. What has been the % increase trends in churches, synagog and temples in Pakistan from 1947 till present ?

All temples, churches, gurdwara are well preserved and are opened by government for minorities if they do not have them in a certain place, the government on the request of an old Jewish lady opened a new synagogue in Pakistan in 2005, a jewish pakistani posted pics.

Look in the second page.

Jewish heritage outside Israel - Page 4 - SkyscraperCity

5. What does blasphemy mean to minorities ?

Blasphemy means BS, its for show only in most places.

4. What % of minorities are in high position and visible position or are admired ?

Read my answer to second question and come to Karachi and you will see the highest flag in Clifton, Karachi is of the hindu temple. Many hindus, christians and qadiyanis are in very respectable and notable positions. Deepal Perwani, Rana Bhagwandas, Danish Kaneria, Fernando Lobos, just read about the catholic board of school of Pakistan. Many respected people in pakistani of minorities.

These questions will provide clue to how tolerant and equanimous is Pakistan.

I will not lie about one thing though, the loser Islamic parties try to create a place for violence between different religious groups. Religious groups do suffer and are discriminated against but they stick with their country because they love it and are better Pakistani's than some of the people who proclaim to be Pakistani.

Many who have been in contact with minorities will tell you how important and respectable these communities are.

The problem is these radical bastards, we need to eliminate them.
 
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Here is a reply that I gave to someone a month ago or so. Use this to get your answer regarding minorities in Pakistan.

T-Faz whatever you have written might be true but it does not negate from the fact that

1. Minority communities might be very low - say about 5 Million out of the whole 170 Million population of pakistan, still Pak Constitution has dis-enfranchised them from aspiring for the Highest positon of the land i.e., Prime Minister and President, based on their religion and their beliefs.

Its instutionalised discrimination.

In what sense can you say that Pak constitution treats all its citizens as equals.
 
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T-Faz whatever you have written might be true but it does not negate from the fact that

1. Minority communities might be very low - say about 5 Million out of the whole 170 Million population of pakistan, still Pak Constitution has dis-enfranchised them from aspiring for the Highest positon of the land i.e., Prime Minister and President.

In what sense can you say that Pak constitution treats all its citizens as equals.

Actually there are more than the 5 million religious minorities.

4 million Hindus - Pak Hindu MPs stage walkout over terror slur - Pakistan - World - The Times of India

4 million Ahmadies (could be much higher as many people list themselves as Muslim)- Premium content | Economist.com

3.5 million Christians, then there are small amount of Buddhists, Sikhs and Jews.

Also would you consider Shias as a minority, because they are a minority too, close to 50 million of them.

Then we also have Agha Khani's, many in Pakistan and other various sects.

The constitution however is flawed especially in relation to its laws and rules that negate the system. This was brought in by Zia-ul-Haq and is used by some people to harm those who are poor and belong to minorities. But that should change and it will change to the fair and balanced constitution that Jinnah gave us.
 
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