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The Arab–Khazar wars were a series of conflicts fought between the armies of the Khazar Khaganate and the Umayyad Caliphate(as well as its Abbasid successor) and their respective vassals. Historians usually distinguish two major periods of conflict, the First (сa. 642–652) and Second (ca. 722–737) Arab–Khazar Wars,[2]but the Arab–Khazar military confrontation involved several sporadic raids and isolated clashes as well, over a period from the middle of the 7th century to the end of the 8th century.

The Arab–Khazar wars were a result of the attempts of the Umayyad Caliphate to secure control of Transcaucasia and theNorth Caucasus, where the Khazars were already established. The first Arab invasion, in the 640s and early 650s, ended with the defeat of an Arab force led by Abd ar-Rahman ibn Rabiah outside the Khazar town of Balanjar. Hostilities broke out again with the Caliphate in the 710s, with raids back and forth across the Caucasus. Led by the distinguished generals al-Jarrah ibn Abdallah and Maslama ibn Abd al-Malik, the Arabs were able to capture Derbent and even the southern Khazar capital of Balanjar, but this had little impact on the nomadic Khazars, who remained able to launch devastating raids deep into Transcaucasia. In one such raid in 730, the Khazars inflicted a major defeat on the Umayyad forces at the Battle of Ardabil, killing al-Jarrah, but were in turn defeated the next year and pushed back north. Maslama then recovered Derbent, which became a major Arab military outpost and colony, before being replaced by Marwan ibn Muhammad (the future caliph Marwan II) in 732. A period of relatively localized warfare followed until 737, when Marwan led north a massive expedition that reached the Khazar capital Atil on the Volga. After securing some form of submission by the khagan, the Arabs withdrew.

The 737 campaign marked the end of large-scale warfare between the two powers, establishing Derbent as the northernmost Muslim outpost and securing Muslim dominance over Transcaucasia. At the same time, the long wars weakened the Umayyad army and contributed to the eventual fall of the dynasty a few years later. Relations between the Muslims of the Caucasus and the Khazars remained largely peaceful thereafter, apart from two Khazar raids in the 760s and in 799, each resulting from failed efforts to secure a marriage alliance between the Arab governors of the Caucasus and the Khazarkhagan. Occasional warfare continued in the region between the Khazars and the local Muslim principalities of the Caucasus until the collapse of the Khazar state in the late 10th century, but the great wars of the 8th century were never repeated.

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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab–Khazar_Wars
 
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Khazars were turkic tribe right? were they the Bulgar or hungarian ancestors by any chance?
 
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Khazars were turkic tribe right? were they the Bulgar or hungarian ancestors by any chance?

Oghur branch of Turkic tribes, most historian claim. Related to Chuvash people.

It was not homogenous. To correct a mistake, there were no Hungarian. Those were called Magyars. Later emigrated to Hungary.

Under Khazars were Bulgars, Magyars, Caucasians, Jews, Slavs, Greeks and Uz/Oghuz Turks.
 
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Oghur branch of Turkic tribes, most historian claim. Related to Chuvash people.

It was not homogenous. To correct a mistake, there were no Hungarian. Those were called Magyars. Later emigrated to Hungary.

Under Khazars were Bulgars, Magyars, Caucasians, Jews, Slavs, Greeks and Uz/Oghuz Turks.

Oghur ok that was a big branch you could say they have expanded even more if you look at modern countries.
By the way is Tartars and Finns part of the oghurs too or they are from different branch?
Turkish people from turkey are from the seljuks branch right?
 
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Oghur ok that was a big branch you could say they have expanded even more if you look at modern countries.
By the way is Tartars and Finns part of the oghurs too or they are from different branch?
Turkish people from turkey are from the seljuks branch right?

Finns are not Turks. Structure of their language is similar to Turkic languages, thats all.

Tatars were proto-Mongols when Mongols were not in the area of the history. They gave their name to Turks in the areas where they invaded.

Seljuks, yes. The name Seljuk comes from the chieftain himself. They were from Oghuz ethnicity.
 
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Oghur ok that was a big branch you could say they have expanded even more if you look at modern countries.
By the way is Tartars and Finns part of the oghurs too or they are from different branch?
Turkish people from turkey are from the seljuks branch right?

Oghur branch is defined by some characteristic elements in their language which is partially cut them from eastern Turkic dialects, its speculated Khazars, Bulgars, probably some other Eurasian tribes too, and proposed to be Huns spoke Oghur Turkic dialects, Eurasian Turkic dialects later mostly assimilated into Kipchak branch with the exception of Chuvash.

Fins are unrelated, "Tatar" is a late term, originally used for a tribal group around Mongolia presumed to be Turkic, they were defeated by Genghis Khan, its not known how this term later applied to Turco-Mongol tribes in west, they were Kipchak speakers.

Turkish people are coming from Oghuz tribal federation, centered around Aral Lake and neighbouring Khazars, their dialect also had unique sides , they gave their name to this branch, branches of Turkic are Karluk, Kipchak, Oghuz, Oghur and Siberian. Seljuk is the name of Chieftain who is the ancestor of Great Seljuks.
 
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Finns are not Turks. Structure of their language is similar to Turkic languages, thats all.

Tatars were proto-Mongols when Mongols were not in the area of the history. They gave their name to Turks in the areas where they invaded.

Seljuks, yes. The name Seljuk comes from the chieftain himself. They were from Oghuz ethnicity.

Oh i see i was always confused about the finns, them speaking similar language didn't help me lead to a conclusion and that is why i asked you.

Tatars are mongols? wow i thought they were turkic. Interesting to know.

Hahaha so Seljuks were part of the khazars, The arabs would hate to know that. i love the story of Osman Bey that is what you call a soldier and Tribe rise to power.
 
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Oh i see i was always confused about the finns, them speaking similar language didn't help me lead to a conclusion and that is why i asked you.

Tatars are mongols? wow i thought they were turkic. Interesting to know.

Hahaha so Seljuks were part of the khazars, The arabs would hate to know that. i love the story of Osman Bey that is what you call a soldier and Tribe rise to power.

Not exactly a part of the Khazars, we understand that there were wars between Oghuz and Khazars, and Khazars probably had upper hand, Oghuz likely subjugated as vassals times to times, but probably never directly controlled by Khazars.
 
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Oh i see i was always confused about the finns, them speaking similar language didn't help me lead to a conclusion and that is why i asked you.

Tatars are mongols? wow i thought they were turkic. Interesting to know.

Hahaha so Seljuks were part of the khazars, The arabs would hate to know that. i love the story of Osman Bey that is what you call a soldier and Tribe rise to power.

Tatars are Turkic, not Mongolic. Russians only collected Kipchak Turkic speakers of the Volga and Siberia under the Name Tatars.
 
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Tatars are Turkic. They were part of the Mongol army that overran Russia in the 13th century. Today's Tatars has more Turkic, Russian(thru inter marriage) blood than others.
 
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