APCs with Trophy system rolling off production lines

[DavidSling]

“The Namer with the Trophy system will form the highest level of protection for IDF soldiers and provide them with defense and a significant advantage on the battlefield.”

A NAMER APC with the Trophy HV active protection system is poised for action.. (photo creditEFENSE MINISTRY)

A number of Namer armored personnel carriers made over the past two months have been equipped with the Trophy HV active protection system, which destroys antitank missiles and rocket-propelled grenades in mid-air, The Jerusalem Post has learned.

At the end of January, the Defense Ministry revealed that the first Namer armored personnel carrier equipped with the system, made by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems, had come off the production line.

Since then, more of the heavy APCs have been made with the protection systems, which already exist on Merkava Mark IV tanks, and successfully worked in the 2014 Gaza conflict (Operation Protective Edge) to defend tanks.

Every new Namer will now receive Trophy, according to the Defense Ministry’s Merkava Tank Administration.

The Defense Ministry has doubled orders of Namer and Merkava Mark IV tanks earlier this year. Both platforms are key to the ability of ground forces to carry out offensives in Gaza and southern Lebanon, where Hamas and Hezbollah are heavily armed with anti-tank missiles and RPGs.

In January, the IDF completed its first series of drills to test the Namer’s Trophy system, at the Armored Corps School in southern Israel. The trial was held by Defense Ministry engineers and IDF ground forces, and came following a series of live-fire tests in which missiles were fired at the Namer and destroyed by Trophy.

The Trophy-equipped Namers will be able to enter battlegrounds rife with antitank and RPG threats, and safely transport infantry. The Trophy system uses radar panels to detect and follow threats before destroying them in mid-air with interceptors.

“The Namer with the Trophy system will form the highest level of protection for IDF soldiers and provide them with defense and a significant advantage on the battlefield,” Brig.-Gen. Baruch Matzliah, the head of the Merkava Tank Administration, said in January.

In mid-Feburary, the Defense Ministry said it had placed NIS 340 million worth of orders for parts and systems for Namers and Merkava Mark IV tanks, with Israeli Defense Industries. In 2015, the Defense Ministry doubled its orders for parts for both vehicles.

The military is keen on modernizing its fleet of APCs and gradually replacing its aging M113 APCs, which are significantly more vulnerable on the battlefield.

APCs with Trophy system rolling off production lines - Israel News - Jerusalem Post

@500 @sarjenprabhu @PARIKRAMA @Blue Marlin @mike2000 is back

 

[jammersat]

wasn't the namer also a tracked ambulance , besides an APC ?

Namer (Hebrew: נמ"ר‎, pronounced [nameʁ], means "leopard" ...

Google

means leopard ..

 

[DavidSling]

wasn't the namer also a tracked ambulance , besides an APC ?

Namer (Hebrew: נמ"ר‎, pronounced [nameʁ], means "leopard" ...

Google

means leopard ..

It can serve as an armored first aid ambulance like Puma or Achzarit APC's could.
Also Namer means Leopard in hebrew, and it has nothing to do with germany.

 

[jammersat]

It can serve as an armored first aid ambulance like Puma or Achzarit APC's could.
Also Namer means Leopard in hebrew, and it has nothing to do with germany.

absolutely nothing , i can see




hope it helps you in your next war with khizballa or khamas , i'm not an expert but from what i realize the Trophy ain't laser , it's a bunch of shotgun pellet fired in random directions in vein hope to intercept an incoming RPG-7

 

[DavidSling]

absolutely nothing , i can see




hope it helps you in your next war with khizballa or khamas , i'm not an expert but from what i realize the Trophy ain't laser , it's a bunch of shotgun pellet fired in random directions in vein hope to intercept an incoming RPG-7

No, You're not an expert.
Trophy intercepted all the incoming missiles both in real fight scenarios and in tests done by Israelies and the Pentagon.
Trophy has a radar that direct the ammunition to the incoming missile, and also alert the troops within the tank about the spot that the missile was fired from.
Trophy is autonomous, and has very fast reloading time.
Namer is based on the Merkava mark 4 but it's heavier.
Counts as the heaviest APC in the world.

 

[DavidSling]

it has to be proven in combat , for experts like yourself to admit its uselessness

maybe you can intercept khamas' fertilizer rockets , but you can't intercept russian ATGMs given to khizballat

The 2006 Lebanon War, also called the 2006 Israel–Hezbollah War and known in Lebanon as the July War

Trophy Combat history[edit]

IDF Merkava Mk. IV tank with Trophy APS

Following the series of tests of the Trophy system, the IDF Ground Forces Command declared the Trophy operational in August 2009.[19] It was scheduled to be installed in an entire battalion of Israeli Armored Corps tanks by 2010.[20]

On March 1, 2011, stationed near the Gaza border, a Merkava MK IV equipped with the Trophy system foiled a missile attack aimed toward it and became the first operational success of the Trophy active defence system.[21] On March 20, 2011, a missile was fired at a Merkava MK IV tank equipped with Trophy system inside the Israeli area along the perimeter fence of the Gaza Strip. The system detected the attack, but determined that it did not endanger the tank and did not intercept it; it passed information about the shooting to the crew, who attacked the source of fire. [22] [23] [24] On August 1, 2012, Trophy-"Windbreaker" successfully intercepted an anti-tank missile launched from the Gaza Strip at a Merkava tank near Kissufim junction.[25]

On July 14, 2014, the Trophy system successfully intercepted a Kornet anti-tank missile fired from Gaza at an IDF tank.[26] Since the beginning of the Israeli Operation Protective Edge to July 20, 2014, at least four Israeli tanks of senior commanders were protected by the Trophy system in the Gaza Strip.[27] According to reports from the front, since the beginning of the ground operation, the system successfully intercepted five anti-tank missiles that were aimed at armored IDF vehicles in Gaza.[7] On July 22, 2014, according to a video by a Palestinian group, the Trophy system installed on a Merkava IV tank successfully intercepted an RPG-29 rocket fired at the tank.[28] According to Debkafile, Hamas has tried to stop Israeli tanks with two kinds of advanced guided anti-tank missiles, the Russian Kornet-E, and the Konkurs, but Trophy intercepted them successfully.[29] The appearance of near-invulnerable mobile land platforms suggest the current warfare paradigm may need revising.[30] Trophy is currently operational on all Merkava Mark-IV tanks of the IDF's 401st Armored Brigade, as well as with the 7th Armored Brigade 75th Battalion new Merkava IV tanks.

Possible countermeasures[edit]
On November 12, 2009, PhD Vladimir Korenkov, who led Russian state unitary enterprise "Basalt" from 2000 to 2009, stated that "The Israeli system of active protection of tanks, "Trophy", as any other similar systems, can be evaded". One of the activities of this enterprise was to develop rocket-propelled grenades, designed to destroy modern armament. The rocket-propelled grenade RPG-30, according to Vladimir Korenkov, is designed to overcome these tank defense systems.[35]

In response to concerns that the RPG-30 had fallen into the hands of Hezbollah fighters, Israel Defense reported that the Rafael weapons development authority developed a defense system called the "Trench Coat" that can counteract the RPG-30, by utilizing a 360-degree radar to detect all threats and, in the case of one, launch 17 projectiles, one of which should strike the incoming missile.[36]

i bet the extra protection is to carry all those IDF girls around west bank , and people like yourself will ride the m-113 in your avatar

Actually that's Spike missile M113 Tamuz, launched from an M113 chassis, see military equipment of Israel

 

[Bratva]

No, You're not an expert.
Trophy intercepted all the incoming missiles both in real fight scenarios and in tests done by Israelies and the Pentagon.
Trophy has a radar that direct the ammunition to the incoming missile, and also alert the troops within the tank about the spot that the missile was fired from.
Trophy is autonomous, and has very fast reloading time.
Namer is based on the Merkava mark 4 but it's heavier.
Counts as the heaviest APC in the world.

@500 What's the success against top attack missiles ?

 

[DavidSling]

@500 What's the success against top attack missiles ?

It should intercept them aswell

 

[jammersat]

can you intercept hizballat's supermines under the ground too ? maybe they lure you into a trophy trap and then you go right over one of their landmines , KABOOM

 

[Bratva]

It should intercept them aswell

watch from 1:02

Should isnt good. Spike ATGM with top attack profile must be tested against trophy to judge its reliability against all kinds of threats.

 

[jammersat]

Trophy (countermeasure) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Tests by the United States
Trophy[7][10] has been evaluated with extensive testing on a Stryker vehicle[11][12] for possible adoption by the US Army,[13] and a Canadian LAV III.[14] The U.S. Department of Defense had contracted with Raytheon to develop an equivalent system, Quick Kill,[15] possibly causing reluctance to buy Trophy.[16][17][18]

 

[DavidSling]

Should isnt good. Spike ATGM with top attack profile must be tested against trophy to judge its reliability against all kinds of threats.

Well, Rafael who designed this system said it defend against high elevation threats like the Spike ATGM, and it manafucture the Spike ATGM

 

[jammersat]

Should isnt good. Spike ATGM with top attack profile must be tested against trophy to judge its reliability against all kinds of threats.

the spike is a copy of Javelin with a funky name and probably hebrew instructions for the crew

Quick Kill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Quick Kill
Place of origin

United States
Production history
Designer Raytheon[1]
Specifications
Quick Kill is an active protection system (APS) designed to destroy incoming anti-tank missiles, rockets, and grenades. The Quick Kill system is designed and produced by Raytheon for the U.S. Army. The Quick Kill system was part of the United States Army's Future Combat Systems.

Contents

• 1 Design
• 2 Testing
• 3 Controversy
• 4 Status
• 5 References
• 6 External links

Design
Quick Kill detects incoming RPGs and anti-tank missiles with an active electronically scanned array radar. Once its speed, trajectory, and intercept point are computed, Quick Kill vertically launches a small countermeasure missile. This kind of system is similar to the one that the Israeli Army uses for its ground forces. The system features two types of missiles: a smaller one for defense against close range weapons such as RPGs, and another, larger one to intercept longer range, faster anti-tank missiles or shells.[2] The countermeasure missile interceptes the incoming threat and destroys it with a focused blast warhead. The Quick Kill missile has 360-degree capability and a reload capability, with each launcher typically containing 8 to 16 missiles. It can be used stationary or on the move with a wide range of vehicles from armored personnel carriers to airborne helicopters. The system's vertical launch countermeasure is unique in its ability to engage threats fired from any angle or elevation, providing all weather, full 360-degree hemispherical vehicle and crew protection with each countermeasure. The system has demonstrated its ability to defeat multiple threat types by defeating two simultaneous threats.[3]

It was reported that the Humvee or JLTV would not be suitable for the Quick Kill APS, due to the blast pressures generated when the incoming warhead detonates, which was likely to buckle lightly armored vehicles.[4]

Testing
On Feb 8, 2006, Raytheon issued a press release stating that their "Quick Kill System [was] the first active protection system (APS) to destroy a rocket propelled grenade (RPG) at close range, using a precision launched warhead with a focused blast" during live fire testing done the day before.[5] However, this was not the first time an Active Protection System (APS) successfully engaged an incoming munition. The Soviet Drozd active protection system was equipped to Soviet tanks in the early 1980s, and saw significant use in the Soviet war in Afghanistan on older model tanks. Later, during a 1995 special armor conference in Kubinka, a Soviet T-72 tank fitted with an updated version of APS (most likely the Arena Active Protection System) successfully protected against KONKURS ATGMs and RPG-type weapons.[6]

Controversy
Controversy ignited when the United States Office of Force Transformation (OFT) planned to battle-test the more mature, but Israeli-made Trophy active protection system on several Stryker armored personnel carriers headed for Iraq in early 2007. The effort was scuttled by the Army in favor of waiting for the Quick Kill system to develop.[7] In 2006–2007, the Institute for Defense Analysis found Quick Kill to be relatively immature and fraught with significant development risks. Important components like the radar were not yet fully developed and testing of the system as a whole was on hold while the warhead was redesigned. They also found Trophy, which uses a shotgun-like kill mechanism, to be the most mature of the 15 systems they analyzed at the time.

Status
According to a U.S. Government Accountability Office report issued June 8, 2007, the Army estimated that Quick Kill could be available for prototype delivery to current force vehicles in fiscal year 2009 and tested on an FCS vehicle in 2011.[8] Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Sorenson, a top Army acquisition official, testified to Congress that Quick Kill would be ready to “hang on a vehicle in about 2008” and that the Army was already beginning to do integration work to put the system on the Stryker; this was roughly the same time frame as Trophy. Sorenson also said they were concerned about Trophy's high weight, high power draw, lack of reload capability (which it now has), lack of 360 degree protection, and higher probability of collateral damage to civilians. Raytheon reported May 22, 2007 that it had delivered its radar on time and on budget. Jane's Defence Weekly reported on Oct 18, 2007 that the US Army had ordered design changes to the Quick Kill system after some rocket motors in an APS interceptor showed 'splittage' in recent testing that summer.

In December 2012, the Quick Kill active protection system successfully defeated an extended set of threats, including one of the most lethal RPG threats by destroying it in mid-flight. The system used the same radar technology that warns Forward Operating Bases of incoming rocket and mortar attacks. The testing is in preparation for formal government evaluations in early 2013 to demonstrate the system's unique RPG-defeat capabilities.[3]

 

[DavidSling]

Trophy (countermeasure) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Tests by the United States
Trophy[7][10] has been evaluated with extensive testing on a Stryker vehicle[11][12] for possible adoption by the US Army,[13] and a Canadian LAV III.[14] The U.S. Department of Defense had contracted with Raytheon to develop an equivalent system, Quick Kill,[15] possibly causing reluctance to buy Trophy.[16][17][18]

For the simple reason it wants it to be MADE in the U.S
As for the latest advancement
US Army Testing Israeli Trophy System
The US Army realized the need for an active defense system. Hence, examining Rafael's Trophy system, the only operational system that has been proven on the battlefield. Are we about to witness the first export deal of the Trophy?

The RAFAEL Trophy installation on the LAV III included four IAI Windguard radar panels covering the entire vehicle surrounding and two modules accommodating the active elements of the Trophy APS, mounted on the two sides. Photo: Rafael

US Army is examining the Trophy, according to defense-aerospace website. According to other online reports, the examination is made on the Stryker and the LAV3. It seems that the United States would prefer to purchase an operational product.

The reason for this examination lies in the American understanding (finally) that US ground forces cannot operate in an environment full of anti-tank missiles, such as Syria, Iraq or Yemen, without active protection systems. It makes armored vehicles like sitting ducks. Even if it has a passive-reactive armor. Another reason is the failure of American industries to achieve results. The only proven system that works in actual combat conditions is the trophy.

Rafael began its US operation in this context with the DRS Technologies company in 2012 (source). Back then, the Trophy system was proposed for the M1 Abram tank, the IAV Stryker and the Humvee. A videotaped proof of this can be found in the YouTube video, showing the system on the LAV3 and the Humvee. And this is just one example. A quick search on Google will offer many more examples.

No American system

In recent years, the United States has invested many millions in attempt to develop such a system itself, so far without success. Raytheon Company has developed the Quick Kill system. ARTIS Company has developed the Iron Curtain. Both of them were not operationally proven.

The US Army is currently working on a solution called MAPS (Modular Active Protection System), as reported on Lexingtoninstitute website. The idea is to develop an open source modular infrastructure, that will allow the US Army to give each armored vehicle a combination of existing system. In other words, to avoid a situation of dependency on a single supplier. In the operational aspect, to enable quick recovery, using whatever is available at any given moment.

Manufacturing in the US?

Other than online publications, not much is known about the negotiations of Raphael and DRS with the US Army. If it's even happening, or it is merely POC. But if we assume that such negotiations are underway, the question is where and how the system will be produced: in Israel or in the United States, using funds from the defense aid or perhaps from a special budget, allocated for the subject, as happened with Israel's missile defense systems.

If we look at the US armored vehicles order of battle, we realize that there are hundreds of vehicles to equip. US armored vehicles are operating all over the world, unlike the IDF, who operates in confrontations along the border. Meaning, this is a requirement that is far greater than the production capacity currently exists in Israel. Since 2006, The IDF equipped part of the Armored Corps with the systems. In terms of APCs, only recently the first Namer emerged from the factory equipped with the Trophy system.

This means that if the United States decides to go on and purchase the Trophy, production will almost certainly be in the US. Israel will obviously enjoy it. If several production lines will be built in the US, Israel as a client will be relatively marginal one, in comparison to the demand of the US Army. Not to mention the Humvees or the JTLV's that are to replace them.

Another advantage is that the US does not see many wars, as opposed to Israel. And in times of war, production capacities are affected, for many reasons. Therefore, Israel also has an interest in the transfer of technology and production to the United States. Again, this is only a hypothesis.

US Army Testing Israeli Trophy System
| Israel Defense

 

[jammersat]

you quoted an israeli source , i quoted wikipedia

that's like if i quote press-tv on the arab-israeli conflict