Answers from Indian Air Force that would shock Supreme Court judges

[Zarvan]

 

[Sully3]

Rafael is the most curropt millitary deal sice the early 2000's

 

[Turingsage]

Rafael is the most curropt millitary deal sice the early 2000's

Lets not worry about such inconvenient things like facts. Lets claim Modi made money from such a deal when even the Rahuls of this world know he has nor made a single Franc. They all know HAL is over stretched meeting even its current order book and uses 2.5 times Dassaults labour hours and costs. Lets not believe the French govt or the head of Dassult who are obviously lying and instead believe Rahul who is entering the National election season and desperately needs such a canard to divert attention from the family Boffors corruption which cost India decades in acquiring new heavy artillery
Yeah lets

 

[Anik101]

Rafael is the most curropt millitary deal sice the early 2000's

How? Would you like to explain?

Everything will be crystal clear once the CAG report on Rafale is out in December.

 

[Zarvan]

Rafael is the most curropt millitary deal sice the early 2000's

I hate MODI but really doubt he made money from it but sure he wrongly gave contract to Ambanis it should have been open bidding.

 

[Hellfire]

I hate MODI but really doubt he made money from it but sure he wrongly gave contract to Ambanis it should have been open bidding.

Are you open to the actual reason of this issue? If so, then here they are:

HAL, DRDO and DPSUs like OFBs are a sizeable voting block. If you look at their history of existence, you can guess that the size is pretty huge, what with retired and currently employed and their dependents. If you look at their production and delivery history, you will find that there is an inertia in the system to streamline and scale up their operations. Example (I may be incorrect by a couple of days, so bear with me. Been 2 years now)

The specified assembly time for Su-30MKI (not Su-30 airframe alone) is something about 34 or so days (figure I do not recall exactly). As per an ex-Engineer with the HAL working on project, the Indians take about 94 odd days to do the same work. So, a team was created to go to Russia to understand what was wrong. The result: They found the Russians assembling the Su-30 MKI being supplied to India in 17-20 days!) From supply chain, to project planning and execution and even project crashing, there was an inertia to do anything in time. The HAL is alread late by about 2 years on supply of Su-30MKIs contracted.

OFBs of India claim to make 125 mm FSAPDS rounds. They do too. But two issues remain:

a. QA & QC
b. Delivery delays by factors of a couple of times.

Result: India imported 100000 or so shells in Emergency Purchases in aftermath of September 2016. You can bet there were kickbacks involved as the agency remains nodal.

A common refrain that I heard from our GREF (Garrison Reserve Engineer Force) on road constructions in LC region was - 'if we do everything today, what will we do 5 days from now?' That remains the prevalent attitude, something that saw USSR head into it's demise.



Having said the above, if you look at Modi, what he has done, is that he has decided to light a fire under the collective behinds of these NPAs of Indian Military Industrial Complex. He can not overtly go against them as that hands over a block of votes en-masse to the opposition. Neither can he break decades of lethargic attitude without firming his grip on power. Had we had Chinese form of governance, he could have done it. So, he decided the best way - opened the sector to private firms.

Reliance remains a behemoth that has riled the telecom sector, pushing Airtel, Idea, Vodafone, Telenor, Aircel into alliances just to survive. They did this by building a US $15 Billion infrastructure before rolling out their telecom services. The deep pockets have upended the sector. With planned roll out of Gigafibre for internet, they have routed majority of companies in market share.

With such deep pockets, they were naturally in the best position to acquire talent in this sector too. Mahindra, Reliance, TATAs, L&T (to name a few) all are heavily recruiting ex-Defence Officers and headhunting from OFBs/DPSU pool (there are youngsters who are bright and who have seen DPSUs as dead wood and who want a change) to integrate into Defence and Government verticals. For the two, even KPMG, EY, Deloitte and PwC are recruiting qualified personnel. The advantage with private sector remains that they will crash project gestation period to deliver the product in least possible time, with QA and QC meeting parameters in order to ensure re-orders and new orders as also credibility, and they will spare no resources to achieve their aims. Ever since the DRAL was set up, suddenly HAL has realised that it is heading into oblivion. And see the result:

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/hal-speeds-up-tejas-production/565049.html

https://www.livemint.com/Companies/...s-boosts-production-capacity-to-manufact.html

With all the JVs it is entering into, it is trying to evolve and survive.

And then, the subcontinental politics are such, and we both are aware of this fact, that nation can go to hell, we must grab the power

 

[Anik101]

How? Would you like to explain?

I hate MODI but really doubt he made money from it but sure he wrongly gave contract to Ambanis it should have been open bidding.

Dassault not GoI selected Reliance as one of its offset partners. Along with Ambanis there are 72 other offset partners which were selected by Dassault Aviation. Only 3% of total offset is going to reliance.

 

[rajiv sharma]

How? Would you like to explain?

Everything will be crystal clear once the CAG report on Rafale is out in December.

rahul khan so called gandhi and coterie is trying to make things out of nothing , as the matter is in court , the government will come clean on this propaganda issue rages by anti national political party Indian anti national khangress . he is from the other side of the fence sully3 is , so his comments and sentiments are understandable , just ignore such people . having said that , french are shrewd businessmen , the only point missing in this deal is sovereign guarantee which was understandable and will be justified in the courts by the govt as air force required jets urgently . bye for now

 

[aman_rai]

Rafael is the most curropt millitary deal sice the early 2000's

Keep using burnol... Your posts and your DP will remain only upto PDF...

No matter how much you hate Modi sahab , one thing is for sure he is not corrupt

 

[MimophantSlayer]

LOL, The Print doing it's usual half a$$ed "counterbalancing".

• The squadron numbers might have decreased but the individual squadron strength hasn't, IAF's rate of induction of current gen aircrafts per squadron is at it's highest and has increased exponentially since the 90s. IAF's self expectations is just higher and they just want more squadrons and the said squadrons should have more aircrafts than ever before.
• When he said Pakistan has better radars and AD than India, I realised then itself that these idiots haven't done their homework(like always).
• The Japanese and the South Koreans are still flying their F4 Phantoms, hell the Iranis and the Turks are currently actively using the F4s in conflicts for airstrikes and such, there's nothing wrong with flying the Jaguars which replaced the RAF F4s.
• As for AAM range, one of the most important factors that decides a BVRAAM's range is altitude and our top line fighters can already fly higher and faster than anything in PAF inventory and in all probability our fighters will fly higher faster, look down, launch their AAMs supported by their superior radars and that's the end of that. Also with our own indigenous BVRAAM Astra's development trials all wrapped up successfully 2 months ago, all that's left are its user trials and then induction.

Are you open to the actual reason of this issue? If so, then here they are:

HAL, DRDO and DPSUs like OFBs are a sizeable voting block. If you look at their history of existence, you can guess that the size is pretty huge, what with retired and currently employed and their dependents. If you look at their production and delivery history, you will find that there is an inertia in the system to streamline and scale up their operations. Example (I may be incorrect by a couple of days, so bear with me. Been 2 years now)

The specified assembly time for Su-30MKI (not Su-30 airframe alone) is something about 34 or so days (figure I do not recall exactly). As per an ex-Engineer with the HAL working on project, the Indians take about 94 odd days to do the same work. So, a team was created to go to Russia to understand what was wrong. The result: They found the Russians assembling the Su-30 MKI being supplied to India in 17-20 days!) From supply chain, to project planning and execution and even project crashing, there was an inertia to do anything in time. The HAL is alread late by about 2 years on supply of Su-30MKIs contracted.

OFBs of India claim to make 125 mm FSAPDS rounds. They do too. But two issues remain:

a. QA & QC
b. Delivery delays by factors of a couple of times.

Result: India imported 100000 or so shells in Emergency Purchases in aftermath of September 2016. You can bet there were kickbacks involved as the agency remains nodal.

A common refrain that I heard from our GREF (Garrison Reserve Engineer Force) on road constructions in LC region was - 'if we do everything today, what will we do 5 days from now?' That remains the prevalent attitude, something that saw USSR head into it's demise.



Having said the above, if you look at Modi, what he has done, is that he has decided to light a fire under the collective behinds of these NPAs of Indian Military Industrial Complex. He can not overtly go against them as that hands over a block of votes en-masse to the opposition. Neither can he break decades of lethargic attitude without firming his grip on power. Had we had Chinese form of governance, he could have done it. So, he decided the best way - opened the sector to private firms.

Reliance remains a behemoth that has riled the telecom sector, pushing Airtel, Idea, Vodafone, Telenor, Aircel into alliances just to survive. They did this by building a US $15 Billion infrastructure before rolling out their telecom services. The deep pockets have upended the sector. With planned roll out of Gigafibre for internet, they have routed majority of companies in market share.

With such deep pockets, they were naturally in the best position to acquire talent in this sector too. Mahindra, Reliance, TATAs, L&T (to name a few) all are heavily recruiting ex-Defence Officers and headhunting from OFBs/DPSU pool (there are youngsters who are bright and who have seen DPSUs as dead wood and who want a change) to integrate into Defence and Government verticals. For the two, even KPMG, EY, Deloitte and PwC are recruiting qualified personnel. The advantage with private sector remains that they will crash project gestation period to deliver the product in least possible time, with QA and QC meeting parameters in order to ensure re-orders and new orders as also credibility, and they will spare no resources to achieve their aims. Ever since the DRAL was set up, suddenly HAL has realised that it is heading into oblivion. And see the result:

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/hal-speeds-up-tejas-production/565049.html

https://www.livemint.com/Companies/...s-boosts-production-capacity-to-manufact.html

With all the JVs it is entering into, it is trying to evolve and survive.

And then, the subcontinental politics are such, and we both are aware of this fact, that nation can go to hell, we must grab the power

Well said.

Also, not to mention the clout the DPSU unions have with other non-defence PSU unions. It's one large cluster f##k, and they have survived for so long with no competition and a guaranteed monopoly.

 

[Chanakyaa]

Rafael is the most curropt millitary deal sice the early 2000's

First learn the spelling. Rafael is Israeli.

 

[Hindustani78]

Rafael is the most curropt millitary deal sice the early 2000's

Before French Made Rafale fighter plane deal , there have been even Mirage fighter plane deal. But you are right Pakistan Aeronautics engineers have wasted thier experience for the sake of Dajjal and Messiah e Dajjal ?

 

[Haris Mansoor]

Are you open to the actual reason of this issue? If so, then here they are:

HAL, DRDO and DPSUs like OFBs are a sizeable voting block. If you look at their history of existence, you can guess that the size is pretty huge, what with retired and currently employed and their dependents. If you look at their production and delivery history, you will find that there is an inertia in the system to streamline and scale up their operations. Example (I may be incorrect by a couple of days, so bear with me. Been 2 years now)

The specified assembly time for Su-30MKI (not Su-30 airframe alone) is something about 34 or so days (figure I do not recall exactly). As per an ex-Engineer with the HAL working on project, the Indians take about 94 odd days to do the same work. So, a team was created to go to Russia to understand what was wrong. The result: They found the Russians assembling the Su-30 MKI being supplied to India in 17-20 days!) From supply chain, to project planning and execution and even project crashing, there was an inertia to do anything in time. The HAL is alread late by about 2 years on supply of Su-30MKIs contracted.

OFBs of India claim to make 125 mm FSAPDS rounds. They do too. But two issues remain:

a. QA & QC
b. Delivery delays by factors of a couple of times.

Result: India imported 100000 or so shells in Emergency Purchases in aftermath of September 2016. You can bet there were kickbacks involved as the agency remains nodal.

A common refrain that I heard from our GREF (Garrison Reserve Engineer Force) on road constructions in LC region was - 'if we do everything today, what will we do 5 days from now?' That remains the prevalent attitude, something that saw USSR head into it's demise.



Having said the above, if you look at Modi, what he has done, is that he has decided to light a fire under the collective behinds of these NPAs of Indian Military Industrial Complex. He can not overtly go against them as that hands over a block of votes en-masse to the opposition. Neither can he break decades of lethargic attitude without firming his grip on power. Had we had Chinese form of governance, he could have done it. So, he decided the best way - opened the sector to private firms.

Reliance remains a behemoth that has riled the telecom sector, pushing Airtel, Idea, Vodafone, Telenor, Aircel into alliances just to survive. They did this by building a US $15 Billion infrastructure before rolling out their telecom services. The deep pockets have upended the sector. With planned roll out of Gigafibre for internet, they have routed majority of companies in market share.

With such deep pockets, they were naturally in the best position to acquire talent in this sector too. Mahindra, Reliance, TATAs, L&T (to name a few) all are heavily recruiting ex-Defence Officers and headhunting from OFBs/DPSU pool (there are youngsters who are bright and who have seen DPSUs as dead wood and who want a change) to integrate into Defence and Government verticals. For the two, even KPMG, EY, Deloitte and PwC are recruiting qualified personnel. The advantage with private sector remains that they will crash project gestation period to deliver the product in least possible time, with QA and QC meeting parameters in order to ensure re-orders and new orders as also credibility, and they will spare no resources to achieve their aims. Ever since the DRAL was set up, suddenly HAL has realised that it is heading into oblivion. And see the result:

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/hal-speeds-up-tejas-production/565049.html

https://www.livemint.com/Companies/...s-boosts-production-capacity-to-manufact.html

With all the JVs it is entering into, it is trying to evolve and survive.

And then, the subcontinental politics are such, and we both are aware of this fact, that nation can go to hell, we must grab the power

Yes, well elaborated

 

[Storm Force]

TOO MUCH red TAPE ………. too ,much noise.

JUST order the second batch of rafale ADSP another 90 will do nicely