Ancient Pakistani Buddhists in Gandhara used to eat meat

[A1Kaid]

Actually Indus valley people might or might not have know whether they were called..but people outside.. use to call them Indian.

Infact the first written mention of this region being referred to as India..dates back to Greek philosophers of 400 BC.

400 B.C is much later than the IVC civiliation which we are discussing. The usual time period of IVC is considered 3300-1300 B.C.E some even date it back to further, so Greeks were not calling Indus valley people "Indian" in 400 BC because the IVC people were long dead before than.

Also it doesn't matter what Greeks called whoever was living in present-day Pakistani territory in 400 BC, Columbus called the native Americans "Indians" doesn't mean he is right.

 

[ares]

Porus kingdom was entirely in Pak punjab, very small kingdom located between Jhelum and Chenab river. Obviously he had nothing to do Indians.

And I thought you said, there were no Hindu empires in Pakistan??!!

 

[Kabira]

And I thought you said, there were no Hindu empires in Pakistan??!!

But these were all indigenous empires a part from one instance of Mauryas for 80 years.

 

[gslv]

Ancient gandhara ppl also used to drink Soma Rasa that is thought to be a kind of liquor.

 

[ares]

400 B.C is much later than the IVC civiliation which we are discussing. The usual time period of IVC is considered 3300-1300 B.C.E some even date it back to further, so Greeks were not calling Indus valley people "Indian" in 400 BC because the IVC people were long dead before than.

Also it doesn't matter what Greeks called whoever was living in present-day Pakistani territory in 400 BC, Columbus called the native Americans "Indians" doesn't mean he is right.

400 BC is the first written reference to "India", they have found till now.

As for Columbus, every one knows the story, he was looking for India..when he made that mistake.
Greeks calling this region as India is not a fluke like Columbus.

Fact of the matter is there is nothing called as Ancient Pakistani..just like there are no Ancient Americans..just native Americans and immigrant Americans.

 

[A1Kaid]

400 BC is the first written reference to "India", they have found till now.

As for Columbus, every one knows the story, he was looking for India..when he made that mistake.
Greeks calling this region as India is not a fluke like Columbus.

Fact of the matter is there is nothing called as Ancient Pakistani..just like there are no Ancient Americans..just native Americans and immigrant Americans.

Fact of the matter is all of those are modern constructs created by historians. These are modern labels we assign to ancient people or as Atanz mentioned "retrofit". The only reason ancient "Indian" sounds better than "Ancient Pakistan" is because the term "Indian" has been around much longer and is widely used, not because "Ancient Indian" is anymore of an accurate description of the ancient people we are discussing. However, what is clear is the metropole of the Indus Valley civilization lies in the territory of modern day Pakistan, and Pakistan inherits the history of its land. So from the Pakistani perspective the term "Ancient Pakistan" simply refers to the ancient lands and people that lived within the territories of modern day Pakistan, it's also a retrofit.

 

[ares]

But these were all indigenous empires a part from one instance of Mauryas for 80 years.

lol you need to re read to your history or rather read our history..these Hindu kingdoms (eg Raja Porus's kingdom) pre-dates Mauryan empire by several centruries.

Before Maurya there were Guptas, who controlled the entire region.

 

[Bang Galore]

This is pretty big discovery, now we know ancient Pakistani bhuddists also used to eat meat.

What exactly is the news here? Buddhists eating meat? Buddha's favourite meat was pork. Some eye opener that Buddhists ate meat.......

 

[ares]

Fact of the matter is all of those are modern constructs created by historians. These are modern labels we assign to ancient people or as Atanz mentioned "retrofit". The only reason ancient "Indian" sounds better than "Ancient Pakistan" is because the term "Indian" has been around much longer and is widely used, not because "Ancient Indian" is anymore of an accurate description of the ancient people we are discussing. However, what is clear is the metropole of the Indus Valley civilization lies in the territory of modern day Pakistan, and Pakistan inherits the history of its land.

Why is it not an accurate description?

Werent these people referred to as Indians back then...so why not call them Ancient Indians??
(Let forget Harappans for a minute, for we are not really sure, they were called. )

 

[Kabira]

What exactly is the news here? Buddhists eating meat? Buddha's favourite meat was pork. Some eye opener that Buddhists ate meat.......

But now we have actual evidence because hindutvas always denied this fact.

lol you need to re read to your history or rather read our history..these Hindu kingdoms predate(eg Raja Porus's kingdom) predates Mauryan empire by several centruries.

Before Maurya there were Guptas, who controlled the entire region.

Nope, Guptas came much later and they never ruled any part of Pakistan. Sorry

 

[ares]

But now we have actual evidence because hindutvas always denied this fact.



Nope, Guptas came much later and they never ruled any part of Pakistan. Sorry

Gupta Empire

 

[A1Kaid]

Why is it not an accurate description?

Werent these people referred to as Indians back then...so why not call them Ancient Indians??
(Let forget Harappans for a minute, for we are not really sure, they were called. )

"These people" are you referring to IVC or the much later Buddhist civilization? Also as I told you, just because an ancient Greek in 400 BC referred to whoever was living near the Indus as "Indian" doesn't mean it is what the people their called themselves. Columbus called the native Americans as "Indians", the native Americans never called themselves "Indians" this was a label assigned to them and still sticks with them due to modern constructions of history.

If you want to be neutral call them neither "Ancient Indian" nor "Ancient Pakistan" call them simply Indus Valley civilization and if you are talking about the ancient Buddhist civilization in Pakistan you can say Gandhara Kingdom (Gandhara is ancient name for Peshawar).

Those terms would be more accurate because you are not assigning modern day nationalities to ancient people who have nothing to do with those nationalities besides the fact they once settled the same lands as those present day nationalities.

 

[Kabira]

Gupta Empire

This is wrong map, Guptas actually never crossed sutlej river.

 

[A1Kaid]

Gupta Empire

What are the sources for this map? What evidence is it based on? Do we have any original maps from the Gupta empire or dating back anytime near the Gupta empire? I can also open up a paint program and paint in whatever I want.

 

[ares]

This is wrong map, Guptas actually never crossed sutlej river.

What are the sources for this map? What evidence is it based on? Do we have any original maps from the Gupta empire or dating back anytime near the Gupta empire? I can also open up a paint program and paint in whatever I want.

https://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/exhibit/guptas/guptas.html

https://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/exhibit/guptas/images/map.jpg

By approximately 380, it had expanded to include a number of smaller kingdoms to the east (into what is now Myanmar), all territories north to the Himalayas (including Nepal), and the entire Indus Valley region to the west. In some of the more remote areas, the Guptas reinstalled defeated rulers and allowed them to continue to run the territory as a tributary state.