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AN INDIAN F-16 ENTERPRISE: UNDERSTANDING THE STRATEGIC OPPORTUNITY FOR THE INDIAN AIR FORCE
2017-10-17 By Robbin Laird

The Indian Air Force is about to launch competition to add new fighter aircraft.

This would be in addition, to the acquisition of 36 Rafale fighter aircraft, already in place.

The Indian Chief of Staff of the Air Force has indicated that the IAF will buy additional Rafales but also add a new a single engine jet to modernize its fighter force.

The frontrunners in the single engine competition are Saab’s Gripen and Lockheed Martin’s F-16.

Such a competition is not simply a platform competition, but a capability one as well in terms of the industrial and combat ecosystems associated with each aircraft.

There are clear differences, not the least of which the F-16 is combat proven and being upgraded by several F-16 users, and the Gripen is not combat proven and is being upgraded almost completely by the Swedish Air Force.

If the Gripen were to be selected by the IAF, the Indians would undoubtedly pay the lion’s share of upgrades in the future.

The F-16 being offered is what Lockheed and USAF are calling the Block 70, which has significant upgrades in terms of avionics, sensors and radars.

Not only is the aircraft being significantly modified in terms of what the aircraft is capable of doing in the battlespace, but also in terms of how the pilot workload is being changed by the new systems onboard.

New data management, sensors, processing and displays allow for significantly enhanced workload efficiencies for the Block 70 F-16 pilot

The differences between what an F-16 and a Gripen means for the future of the IAF goes far beyond a platform discussion.

It is really the strategic impact of the global F-16 enterprise and its ties to the evolving F-35 renorming air combat enterprise versus the Gripen as a Swedish air platform, which is flown by a very small number of air forces globally, and certainly not cutting edge ones.

For the Indian Air Force the choice is rather stark if one takes an enterprise or global combat learning curve point of view.

The F-16 is flown by a great number of Air Forces and key parts are built worldwide. This means that India is not tied to the United States and its operational or manufacturing experience.

Rather, the F-16 built in India could leverage a global enterprise as well as expand its global working relationships.

In contrast, purchasing the Gripen does tie the Indians tightly to Sweden and the partnerships they have had, many of them American, in building their combat aircraft

For example, the UAE Air Force flies both the most advanced F-16 to date, the Block 60, as well as French combat aircraft. The Indians flying Rafales and F-16s might well find a working relationship with the UAE in shaping interactive concepts of operations or the development of mutually beneficial technology to enable their air combat forces.

The “Made in India” part of the F-16 engagement would clearly be about opening the Indian air combat aperture to a variety of F-16 global partners.

The SAAB “Made in India” would be more about literally making a Swedish Aircraft in India for Indians with little prospect of amortized modernization cost by other Gripen partners or the Swedes for that matter.

And that brings up the impact of USAF modernization as well.

The USAF is structurally modernizing a significant part of its F-16 fleet with the so-called SLEP program that adds 50% additional service life up to and beyond 12,000 flight hours.

At the same time, they are introducing an advanced Northrop Grumman radar, the APG-83.

The radar on the F-16 Block 70 and the spill over effects from the F-35 program as well are important considerations when buying a Block 70.

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The migration of the radar on the Block 70 F-16. Credit Graphic: Lockheed Martin

The software on the Block 70 radar has more than 95% in common with the APG-81, the AESA radar that’s on the F-35.

And the hardware is 75-80% in common.

Collectively, there is about 85-90% in common between the Northrop radar on the F-35 and the F-16 Block 70.

And this obviously has a significant impact upon both the path and cost of modernization.

The U.S. and the F-35 partners will invest significantly in the evolution of the F-35 radar, which will have an impact as well on the Block 70 radar modernization as well.

This radar, the latest of four fighter aircraft based electronically scanned array fire control radars from Northrop Grumman, shares much in common with the F-35 radars as well, which means that when it comes to the evolution of the sensor-EW-command functions provided by advanced AESA radars.

The Indians would be benefiting from USAF combat learning with the new systems and as well as those global partners engaged in a similar modernization effort.

Beyond the USAF, this may well have been part of the decision making process with air forces in Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea, and currently being contemplated by Greece that have led to several hundred F-16 upgrades with this radar.

And it is clear that the impact the F-35 will be significant upon the evolution of air combat, something I have labeled, the renorming of airpower.

An Indian Block 70 clearly would be a beneficiary of this evolving air combat learning process as new radars and sensors enter the air combat force, with the new Northrop Grumman radars as an open ended evolving combat capability.

Put in blunt terms, the IAF could choose a platform qua platform in terms of its organic capabilities at the time of acquisition or it could buy a enterprise enabled platform which is part of a global enterprise, with several key air combat forces world wide, and flying with key elements of the ongoing air combat revolution driven by the F-35.

Made in India could be part of engaging in the global enterprise or it could be narrowed down to assembling a combat aircraft in India itself as the focus of effort.

Being part of a global F-16 force has many other advantages.

There are many F-16 pilots worldwide; there are a variety of training centers; and if the IAF needed more aircraft in a crisis they could go to an F-16 partner and find ways to lease aircraft as needed as well.

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What is not so clear is what such a business brings to the question of force modernization and accelerated introduction of combat aircraft?

This appears to be a significant differentiator between Lockheed and Saab as the Government of India moves forward with this challenging and ambitious project.

Recently, I had a chance to discuss the F-16 opportunity with India with the Lockheed Martin Aeronautics head of F-16 and F-22 business development, Randall Howard, during a visit to Fort Worth to view and discuss the final assembly line for the F-35.

Howard has had many years of experience working with allies in acquiring and operating advanced aircraft with allies, notably both with the F-16 and the F-35. He spent 20 years with the USAF and now 10 years with Lockheed Martin working with allies on air combat issues.

According to Howard, the F-16 line is closing at Fort Worth, with the last F-16 produced at Fort Worth being for the Iraqis. Now a “hot line” is being established at the Lockheed Martin facility in Greenville, South Carolina which will build up to 19 new F-16s for Bahrain’s Air Force.

This means that the F-16 partners will see new work generated as well.

“Key elements of the F-16 are built by the partners, in Greece, South Korea and Israel and the Bahrain program and the standup of the new facility in Greenville substantiates the continuing customer demand for the F-16 and will drive new demand for our partners.”

Howard pointed out that this meant that India would benefit from the new standup as well as the working relationship with F-16 industrial partners in moving the sole production line to India itself, if the F-16 were chosen by the IAF.

The performance of the F-16 certainly is not in question; nor the existence of a significant F-16 global user base.

“The success of the F-16 is unmatched as a program in terms of bringing countries together, shaping relationships which have delivered significant combat capability, and an unparalleled track record on delivering bombs on target for the past three decades in the US and partner air forces.”

We then discussed the different ecosystems so to speak of the Gripen versus the F-16.

“One of the difference between F-16 and our global competitors is economies of scale that drive industrial business case realities.

“Where competitors have fielded a few hundred aircraft globally, the global F-16 community includes more than 25 countries flying approximately 3,200 of those 4588 F-16s that were produced; 3200 of them are flying today.”

“The U.S. Air Force and other allied Air Forces are upgrading their F-16s and many of these aircraft are being service life extended out to 12,000 hours and are going to be flown for 30 more years.

“This means that there is a clear opportunity for industry to be part of that modernization process, which would clearly be available to India as well.

“Our recent joint announcement with TATA during the Paris Air Show provides an exceptionally strong, experienced, and proven team capable of delivering on the challenges of establishing F-16 global production in India and building a defense ecosystem that supports the global demand.”

The F-16 is also part of entire upswing in the capabilities of legacy aircraft as new systems are added which have an additive impact on the combat capabilities of the legacy aircraft as well as change the workload and work processes of the combat crew as well.

If one looks at the Canadian Aurora variant of the P-3, or the KC-130J, as examples, new capabilities have been added to what looks like a legacy airplane but it does not perform in the same manner at all.

This clearly applies to the F-16 as well – it may look like a legacy F-16 but it has only aerodynamics and some core combat performance characteristics of the airframe in common.

Otherwise, it is evolving into an enhanced 4th generation combat capability integratable with fifth generation renorming combat aircraft.

And the process of evolution will continue.

Given the USAF’s commitment as well as the global partners who are still and will continue to use the aircraft modernization and upgrades are guaranteed as part of any Indian F-16 experience.

As part of the USAF F-16 SLEP program, they are enhancing the expected operational life of the air frame as well.

“It is certified at 8,000 equivalent hours.

“The USAF has contracted Lockheed Martin to evolve the airframe to a 12,000 equivalent hour capability.

“We’re “productionizing” the airframe changes.

“We’re going to build these new Block 70s for Bahrain and the customers that come behind them, to be able to operate through to 12,000 hours.

“This delivers about 50% more service life than any other aircraft in its class.”

In short, the F-16 provides India with a strategic opportunity not just to add new platforms, but to shape a more effective global engagement in the innovations underway by the U.S. and its partners in evolving air combat capabilities.

Editor’s Note: See our earlier piece by Danny Lam on the F-16 and India.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...ns-bid-build-lethal-f-16-fighters-india-17329

http://www.sldinfo.com/f-16s-built-in-india-thinking-through-the-strategic-impact/

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/08/why-lockheed-martins-bid-to-build.html

http://defencenews.in/article/Why-A...ighters-in-India-Could-be-a-Game-Changer-7473

We highlighted the following with regard to Dr. Lam’s piece on the F-16 for India:

Editor’s Note: One does not have to agree with everything, which Lam has argued in this article, but there clearly are three key takeaways, which are very significant for India.

First, what are the benefits of having a manufacturing line for the most widely used 4th generation aircraft?

How can one leverage a global user base and support or supply such a user base?

Second, how will the Indian armed forces connect their platforms?

For the Indian Air Force this is absolutely critical given their propensity to buy a wide variety of platforms.

Third, given the experience Indians have in the software business, how can this be transferred to the defense business, notably in terms of shaping a combat cloud for the armed forces?

How will India shape a connected combat force which can overmatch the Chinese forces?

Fourth, if India can build real competence on connecting its disparate air combat force, there clearly will be markets globally for such a competence and again if one is building an aircraft which is already the largest 4th generation deployed air combat aircraft, then that simply opens up significant market opportunities.

Editor’s Note: The slideshow highlights photos of aF-16 Aerial Demonstration Team during the opening ceremonies of Aero India 2017 at Air Force Station Yelahanka, India Feb. 14. (U.S. Air Force photo by Capt. Mark Lazane)
 
even though India drags out these acquisition programs, it will one day have to acquire or build platforms to replace its aging fleets. From the Arjun tank saga, India in the end went with an off the shelf option, they bought alot of T-90 tanks; they can afford to buy in quantity.

If India offers to replace its 245 Mig-21 with 245 F-16 Block 70s it can check the PAF (training with USAF and Israelis, training with the french for low level strikes with the Rafale, as well as the Russians with their Su-30MKI).

The superior training and tactics Pakistan thinks it can use to hold back the IAF will soon be learned by our foes. (India air force landed 20 planes on a highway today to do what the PAF started a few years ago; learned from the Swedes) We need at least a 1:2 parity (as we did in 1965) with the Indians to maintain a balance in our region.

Pakistan now more than ever needs to get its financial house in order. Attracting at the very least overseas Pakistanis (low interest loans) to invest in local business ventures and not real estate, which could pay taxes and help fund national development. The national development in turn could build a large economy and therefore budget to fund social services and a larger defense budget. With a larger budget, Pakistan can fund acquisition of many squadrons of TAI Fifth generation single engine fighters and at least have some technological and numerical balance with the Indians. same goes for ground forces, naval forces, police, frontier corps, intelligence agencies, and soft power programs to fix the nations image abroad and attract even more investment.
 
AN INDIAN F-16 ENTERPRISE: UNDERSTANDING THE STRATEGIC OPPORTUNITY FOR THE INDIAN AIR FORCE
2017-10-17 By Robbin Laird

The Indian Air Force is about to launch competition to add new fighter aircraft.

This would be in addition, to the acquisition of 36 Rafale fighter aircraft, already in place.

The Indian Chief of Staff of the Air Force has indicated that the IAF will buy additional Rafales but also add a new a single engine jet to modernize its fighter force.

The frontrunners in the single engine competition are Saab’s Gripen and Lockheed Martin’s F-16.

Such a competition is not simply a platform competition, but a capability one as well in terms of the industrial and combat ecosystems associated with each aircraft.

There are clear differences, not the least of which the F-16 is combat proven and being upgraded by several F-16 users, and the Gripen is not combat proven and is being upgraded almost completely by the Swedish Air Force.

If the Gripen were to be selected by the IAF, the Indians would undoubtedly pay the lion’s share of upgrades in the future.

The F-16 being offered is what Lockheed and USAF are calling the Block 70, which has significant upgrades in terms of avionics, sensors and radars.

Not only is the aircraft being significantly modified in terms of what the aircraft is capable of doing in the battlespace, but also in terms of how the pilot workload is being changed by the new systems onboard.

New data management, sensors, processing and displays allow for significantly enhanced workload efficiencies for the Block 70 F-16 pilot

The differences between what an F-16 and a Gripen means for the future of the IAF goes far beyond a platform discussion.

It is really the strategic impact of the global F-16 enterprise and its ties to the evolving F-35 renorming air combat enterprise versus the Gripen as a Swedish air platform, which is flown by a very small number of air forces globally, and certainly not cutting edge ones.

For the Indian Air Force the choice is rather stark if one takes an enterprise or global combat learning curve point of view.

The F-16 is flown by a great number of Air Forces and key parts are built worldwide. This means that India is not tied to the United States and its operational or manufacturing experience.

Rather, the F-16 built in India could leverage a global enterprise as well as expand its global working relationships.

In contrast, purchasing the Gripen does tie the Indians tightly to Sweden and the partnerships they have had, many of them American, in building their combat aircraft

For example, the UAE Air Force flies both the most advanced F-16 to date, the Block 60, as well as French combat aircraft. The Indians flying Rafales and F-16s might well find a working relationship with the UAE in shaping interactive concepts of operations or the development of mutually beneficial technology to enable their air combat forces.

The “Made in India” part of the F-16 engagement would clearly be about opening the Indian air combat aperture to a variety of F-16 global partners.

The SAAB “Made in India” would be more about literally making a Swedish Aircraft in India for Indians with little prospect of amortized modernization cost by other Gripen partners or the Swedes for that matter.

And that brings up the impact of USAF modernization as well.

The USAF is structurally modernizing a significant part of its F-16 fleet with the so-called SLEP program that adds 50% additional service life up to and beyond 12,000 flight hours.

At the same time, they are introducing an advanced Northrop Grumman radar, the APG-83.

The radar on the F-16 Block 70 and the spill over effects from the F-35 program as well are important considerations when buying a Block 70.

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The migration of the radar on the Block 70 F-16. Credit Graphic: Lockheed Martin

The software on the Block 70 radar has more than 95% in common with the APG-81, the AESA radar that’s on the F-35.

And the hardware is 75-80% in common.

Collectively, there is about 85-90% in common between the Northrop radar on the F-35 and the F-16 Block 70.

And this obviously has a significant impact upon both the path and cost of modernization.

The U.S. and the F-35 partners will invest significantly in the evolution of the F-35 radar, which will have an impact as well on the Block 70 radar modernization as well.

This radar, the latest of four fighter aircraft based electronically scanned array fire control radars from Northrop Grumman, shares much in common with the F-35 radars as well, which means that when it comes to the evolution of the sensor-EW-command functions provided by advanced AESA radars.

The Indians would be benefiting from USAF combat learning with the new systems and as well as those global partners engaged in a similar modernization effort.

Beyond the USAF, this may well have been part of the decision making process with air forces in Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea, and currently being contemplated by Greece that have led to several hundred F-16 upgrades with this radar.

And it is clear that the impact the F-35 will be significant upon the evolution of air combat, something I have labeled, the renorming of airpower.

An Indian Block 70 clearly would be a beneficiary of this evolving air combat learning process as new radars and sensors enter the air combat force, with the new Northrop Grumman radars as an open ended evolving combat capability.

Put in blunt terms, the IAF could choose a platform qua platform in terms of its organic capabilities at the time of acquisition or it could buy a enterprise enabled platform which is part of a global enterprise, with several key air combat forces world wide, and flying with key elements of the ongoing air combat revolution driven by the F-35.

Made in India could be part of engaging in the global enterprise or it could be narrowed down to assembling a combat aircraft in India itself as the focus of effort.

Being part of a global F-16 force has many other advantages.

There are many F-16 pilots worldwide; there are a variety of training centers; and if the IAF needed more aircraft in a crisis they could go to an F-16 partner and find ways to lease aircraft as needed as well.

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What is not so clear is what such a business brings to the question of force modernization and accelerated introduction of combat aircraft?

This appears to be a significant differentiator between Lockheed and Saab as the Government of India moves forward with this challenging and ambitious project.

Recently, I had a chance to discuss the F-16 opportunity with India with the Lockheed Martin Aeronautics head of F-16 and F-22 business development, Randall Howard, during a visit to Fort Worth to view and discuss the final assembly line for the F-35.

Howard has had many years of experience working with allies in acquiring and operating advanced aircraft with allies, notably both with the F-16 and the F-35. He spent 20 years with the USAF and now 10 years with Lockheed Martin working with allies on air combat issues.

According to Howard, the F-16 line is closing at Fort Worth, with the last F-16 produced at Fort Worth being for the Iraqis. Now a “hot line” is being established at the Lockheed Martin facility in Greenville, South Carolina which will build up to 19 new F-16s for Bahrain’s Air Force.

This means that the F-16 partners will see new work generated as well.

“Key elements of the F-16 are built by the partners, in Greece, South Korea and Israel and the Bahrain program and the standup of the new facility in Greenville substantiates the continuing customer demand for the F-16 and will drive new demand for our partners.”

Howard pointed out that this meant that India would benefit from the new standup as well as the working relationship with F-16 industrial partners in moving the sole production line to India itself, if the F-16 were chosen by the IAF.

The performance of the F-16 certainly is not in question; nor the existence of a significant F-16 global user base.

“The success of the F-16 is unmatched as a program in terms of bringing countries together, shaping relationships which have delivered significant combat capability, and an unparalleled track record on delivering bombs on target for the past three decades in the US and partner air forces.”

We then discussed the different ecosystems so to speak of the Gripen versus the F-16.

“One of the difference between F-16 and our global competitors is economies of scale that drive industrial business case realities.

“Where competitors have fielded a few hundred aircraft globally, the global F-16 community includes more than 25 countries flying approximately 3,200 of those 4588 F-16s that were produced; 3200 of them are flying today.”

“The U.S. Air Force and other allied Air Forces are upgrading their F-16s and many of these aircraft are being service life extended out to 12,000 hours and are going to be flown for 30 more years.

“This means that there is a clear opportunity for industry to be part of that modernization process, which would clearly be available to India as well.

“Our recent joint announcement with TATA during the Paris Air Show provides an exceptionally strong, experienced, and proven team capable of delivering on the challenges of establishing F-16 global production in India and building a defense ecosystem that supports the global demand.”

The F-16 is also part of entire upswing in the capabilities of legacy aircraft as new systems are added which have an additive impact on the combat capabilities of the legacy aircraft as well as change the workload and work processes of the combat crew as well.

If one looks at the Canadian Aurora variant of the P-3, or the KC-130J, as examples, new capabilities have been added to what looks like a legacy airplane but it does not perform in the same manner at all.

This clearly applies to the F-16 as well – it may look like a legacy F-16 but it has only aerodynamics and some core combat performance characteristics of the airframe in common.

Otherwise, it is evolving into an enhanced 4th generation combat capability integratable with fifth generation renorming combat aircraft.

And the process of evolution will continue.

Given the USAF’s commitment as well as the global partners who are still and will continue to use the aircraft modernization and upgrades are guaranteed as part of any Indian F-16 experience.

As part of the USAF F-16 SLEP program, they are enhancing the expected operational life of the air frame as well.

“It is certified at 8,000 equivalent hours.

“The USAF has contracted Lockheed Martin to evolve the airframe to a 12,000 equivalent hour capability.

“We’re “productionizing” the airframe changes.

“We’re going to build these new Block 70s for Bahrain and the customers that come behind them, to be able to operate through to 12,000 hours.

“This delivers about 50% more service life than any other aircraft in its class.”

In short, the F-16 provides India with a strategic opportunity not just to add new platforms, but to shape a more effective global engagement in the innovations underway by the U.S. and its partners in evolving air combat capabilities.

Editor’s Note: See our earlier piece by Danny Lam on the F-16 and India.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...ns-bid-build-lethal-f-16-fighters-india-17329

http://www.sldinfo.com/f-16s-built-in-india-thinking-through-the-strategic-impact/

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/08/why-lockheed-martins-bid-to-build.html

http://defencenews.in/article/Why-A...ighters-in-India-Could-be-a-Game-Changer-7473

We highlighted the following with regard to Dr. Lam’s piece on the F-16 for India:

Editor’s Note: One does not have to agree with everything, which Lam has argued in this article, but there clearly are three key takeaways, which are very significant for India.

First, what are the benefits of having a manufacturing line for the most widely used 4th generation aircraft?

How can one leverage a global user base and support or supply such a user base?

Second, how will the Indian armed forces connect their platforms?

For the Indian Air Force this is absolutely critical given their propensity to buy a wide variety of platforms.

Third, given the experience Indians have in the software business, how can this be transferred to the defense business, notably in terms of shaping a combat cloud for the armed forces?

How will India shape a connected combat force which can overmatch the Chinese forces?

Fourth, if India can build real competence on connecting its disparate air combat force, there clearly will be markets globally for such a competence and again if one is building an aircraft which is already the largest 4th generation deployed air combat aircraft, then that simply opens up significant market opportunities.

Editor’s Note: The slideshow highlights photos of aF-16 Aerial Demonstration Team during the opening ceremonies of Aero India 2017 at Air Force Station Yelahanka, India Feb. 14. (U.S. Air Force photo by Capt. Mark Lazane)

At least puts to rest the idea that a MII F-16 will mostly be produced in India.

“Key elements of the F-16 are built by the partners, in Greece, South Korea and Israel and the Bahrain program and the standup of the new facility in Greenville substantiates the continuing customer demand for the F-16 and will drive new demand for our partners.”

Other partners are in the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Germany and the U.K.
Maybe 40% of an MII F-16 can be produced in India.

It also confirms that the US wants to continue to sell radars, instead of providing ToT
on radars, like SAAB.
 
The day Indian air force signed contract...mark my words that day would prove the slow poising suicide for us and IAF,
If we signed a contract today (just an example aprox 2 years it will take) we need 8 to more years to fly Indian F-16 and now tell me after a decade do you seriously want F-16?

Only retards wants these birds but if US supplies 100 to 150 starts from today then it would prove game changer.
 
I still hope and Prey IAF does the following

ORDERS 36 more Rafale F3 to the existing order of 36 = 72 Rafales

Opens a 3rd Prodction line to get LCA MK1/1A in to service with 123 planes by 2025

Signs the pending $8 billion deal with Riussia to upgrade the SU30MKI to Super MKI

cancels THE FGFA programme completely.

gets Lockheed Martin to join the AMCA to get this in the IAF by 2030

I want to see IAF WITH

AMCA
Rafale
Su30mki
Tejas


Nothing else
 
I still hope and Prey IAF does the following

ORDERS 36 more Rafale F3 to the existing order of 36 = 72 Rafales

Opens a 3rd Prodction line to get LCA MK1/1A in to service with 123 planes by 2025

Signs the pending $8 billion deal with Riussia to upgrade the SU30MKI to Super MKI

cancels THE FGFA programme completely.

gets Lockheed Martin to join the AMCA to get this in the IAF by 2030

I want to see IAF WITH

AMCA
Rafale
Su30mki
Tejas


Nothing else


Will never happen, too much risk if the AMCA suffers delays or failures. Lets say normal Indian thing happens and AMCA is delayed until like 2035 +. China has been producing J-20's for 25 years and India just got their AMCA program inducted? Major disadvantage. Anyway you slice it India is going to need a foreign fifth generation bridge plane be it the PAKFA or F-35.


Also why would lockheed/usa join the AMCA without quid pro quo? India has never ordered a fighter from the US, can't really expect it to just jump on board like that.
 
Will never happen, too much risk if the AMCA suffers delays or failures. Lets say normal Indian thing happens and AMCA is delayed until like 2035 +. China has been producing J-20's for 25 years and India just got their AMCA program inducted? Major disadvantage. Anyway you slice it India is going to need a foreign fifth generation bridge plane be it the PAKFA or F-35.


Also why would lockheed/usa join the AMCA without quid pro quo? India has never ordered a fighter from the US, can't really expect it to just jump on board like that.


IF THE USA is serious about India being the most important ally in Asia as they suggest

Then a Indian funded AMCA with expertise from Lockheed Martin to speed up the process is not a BIG ASK. Eescpecially if some of key technology is USA origin

India has the MONEY
India Needs the know how and SPEED of either Macdonald Douglas or Lockheed
 

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