An extremist Hindu leader rises in India, along with hopes for a controversial temple - latimes

[xairhossi]

Top kek. 10-15 countries, because of Different empires ruling same land? Lel
And Punjabi nationalist? Since when Patriotism got associated with religion? Punjabis in India still remember what Aurangazeb did to their Guru Govind Singh, his displicles and other gurus, say that thing about islam in front of punjabis, and you will see why punjabis keep talwar with them and let alone Hindus and Sikhs even Bangladeshis spit on your face
The only reason Far-right is rising is because of the Far-left, and this isnt even India specific. The rise of Far right is going on all over the world, from US, UK to Europeans.

Dumbass, before the British came, there were indeed 10-15 different kingdoms ruling over whats now India? "Same land"? What do you even mean by that? And who even mentioned Aurangzeb or Mughals? We all know how Punjabi Sikhs treat you guys in Indian Punjab. You're a Hindutva retard in denial.

 

[StraightShooter]

and the British united it. Why don't you name a mandir after some British officer?

May be you do not know. Indian national anthem is dedicated to the British crown.

We are not ungrateful people.

First Line:-

Jaana Gaana Maana Adhinayaka Jayehe
Bharata bhagya vidhata;


Meaning:-

Salutes to the ruler of India

Last Line:-

Jana gana mangala dayaka jaya he
Bharata bhagya vidhata.
Jaya he, jaya he, jaya he,
Jaya jaya jaya, jaya he!

Meaning:-

Salutes again and again to the ruler of India

 

[adil_minhas]

Secularism doesn't not born out of codification of the constitution but the tradition of co existence in contradiction since inception of our civilisation ...
Secularism was rather an expression of our thousands year old values than a republic compulsion or obligation, Hindus were at the forefront in imbibing it constitutionally rest you know the whirlpool of theocracy.....


Hinduism is inherently constructive & inclusive by any modern standards.

But tweaking secularism to fume bigotry or to mock the majority sentiment is not what it intended to be while codifying in constitution...



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वसुधैव कुटुम्बकम. from “vasudha”, the earth; “iva”, is ; and “kutumbakam”, family) is a Sanskrit phrase that means that the whole world is one single family.

अयं बन्धुरयं नेति गणना लघुचेतसां उदारचरितानां तु वसुधैव कुटुम्बकं
ayam bandhurayam neti ganana laghuchetasam udaracharitanam tu vasudhaiva kutumbakam

Only small men discriminate saying: One is a relative; the other is a stranger. For those who live magnanimously the entire world constitutes but a family.

सर्वे भवन्तु सुखिनः सर्वे सन्तु निरामया। सर्वे भद्राणि पश्यन्तु मा कश्चित् दुःखभाग् भवेत्।।

(सभी सुखी होवें, सभी रोगमुक्त रहें, सभी मंगलमय घटनाओं के साक्षी बनें और किसी को भी दुःख का भागी न बनना पड़े।)

I agree largely at a civilizational level, with two caveats with regards to Hindu tolerance and innate secularism:

1) where the non Hindu faith is too small to matter or be a threat

2) where the non Hindu faith is suitably debulked and put in its place and (forcibly) absorbed under the larger Dharmic umbrella over time to really matter - e.g. Jainism, then violently Buddhism, and most recently Sikhism.

If you guys are truly secular, then destroy these goons at the bud.

Ruthlessly.

Otherwise do not lecture other faiths and the world about your benign secularism.

Because then it would be a manipulational sham of convenience.

Cheers.

@Tshering22 the above is actually a good reply as any to your post that I promised.

Then why are you cribbing and crying in pdf ?



LOL...that is complete rubbish.

Not only India was a country during british rule, it also had its own constitution.

BS

It was a colony.

Not even a dominion.

 

[EyelessInGaza]

May be you do not know. Indian national anthem is dedicated to the British crown.

We are not ungrateful people.

First Line:-

Jaana Gaana Maana Adhinayaka Jayehe
Bharata bhagya vidhata;


Meaning:-

Salutes to the ruler of India

Last Line:-

Jana gana mangala dayaka jaya he
Bharata bhagya vidhata.
Jaya he, jaya he, jaya he,
Jaya jaya jaya, jaya he!

Meaning:-

Salutes again and again to the ruler of India

The impression that Jana Gana Man was dedicated to George V is incorrect. Tagore himself said:

"I should only insult myself if I cared to answer those who consider me capable of such unbounded stupidity as to sing in praise of George the Fourth or George the Fifth as the Eternal Charioteer leading the pilgrims on their journey through countless ages of the timeless history of mankind."

The 'thing' referred to in this song as 'you' is India's collective spirit/ mind.

 

[utraash]

I agree largely at a civilizational level, with two caveats with regards to Hindu tolerance and innate secularism:

1) where the non Hindu faith is too small to matter or be a threat

2) where the non Hindu faith is suitably debulked and put in its place and (forcibly) absorbed under the larger Dharmic umbrella over time to really matter - e.g. Jainism, then violently Buddhism, and most recently Sikhism.

If you guys are truly secular, then destroy these goons at the bud.

Ruthlessly.

Otherwise do not lecture other faiths and the world about your benign secularism.

Because then it would be a manipulational sham of convenience.

Cheers.

@Tshering22 the above is actually a good reply as any to your post that I promised.



BS

It was a colony.

Not even a dominion.

For first point, yet they were not forced to toe Hindus way of life at sword point & they remained what they were.

For second point, Anti Sikh riots were a politically motivated massacre led by khoongressi clans (sickularist still find hard to digest that) not Hindu vs Sikh sort of thing unlike Hindu vs Muslim...
We never had very serious conflicts with any other community be it Buddhism or anyone else for that matter else the razing shrines, converting ppl enmass, enslaving humans would have been synonymous to our characters.

The real sham of our democracy is hijacking everything in the name of preserving this this sickular cult.

 

[adil_minhas]

For first point, yet they were not forced to toe Hindus way of life at sword point & they remained what they were.

For second point, Anti Sikh riots were a politically motivated massacre led by khoongressi clans (sickularist still find hard to digest that) not Hindu vs Sikh sort of thing unlike Hindu vs Muslim...
We never had very serious conflicts with any other community be it Buddhism or anyone else for that matter else the razing shrines, converting ppl enmass, enslaving humans would have been synonymous to our characters.

The real sham of our democracy is hijacking everything in the name of preserving this this sickular cult.

Buddy.

How old are you?

Did you live through 84?

Sincerely asking.

@Abingdonboy happy about being counted as Hindus under the Hindu Marriage Act?

Jainism by most accounts is older than Hinduism. So we don't know much about what happened there.

But if you think Buddhism was virtually wiped out from India after at one time being the predominant faith, without the Hindu sword, then you are living in denial.

And so is our boudh bhai @Tshering22 ....

Cheers.

 

[Levina]

No. I think separate threads are better. The more the merrier.

Okay then let the fun begin.

 

[TISSOT]

BS

It was a colony.

Not even a dominion.

The Indian Penal Code was drafted in 1860 and is still in use today

How is that possible if India as a country did not exist back then ..... the IPC is part of the earlier constitution of India you ignoramus.

 

[utraash]

Buddy.

How old are you?

Did you live through 84?

Sincerely asking.

@Abingdonboy happy about being counted as Hindus under the Hindu Marriage Act?

Jainism by most accounts is older than Hinduism. So we don't know much about what happened there.

But if you think Buddhism was virtually wiped out from India after at one time being the predominant faith, without the Hindu sword, then you are living in denial.

And so is our boudh bhai @Tshering22 ....

Cheers.

Unfortunately my birth year is 85, n I have heard the horrific tales from my mother & grandfather about it...
What's your age ?
Oh now that marriage act, that was just a provisional matter in the constitution, they did not have to detonate crowdy market for this. That reflects upon two thing about them as a distinct community, first their faith in democracy, second maturity in their conduct till the provision made. In fact many Hindus always supported them for their marriage act n so on. Hindus vs Sikh seems to be your figment of imagination, come with me I will show how we celebrate each other festivals in my hometown, I will also show you long queues of Sikh waiting outside a Seedh Peeth (Lord Durga temple) during this Navratra....

Regarding Buddhism, there could be some skirmishes between the twos in old days but largely India remained Hindu predominantly except some parts.

 

[adil_minhas]

Unfortunately my birth year is 84, n I have heard the horrific tales from my mother & grandfather about it...
What's your age ?
Oh now that marriage act, that was just a provisional matter in the constitution, they did not have to detonate crowdy market for this. That reflects upon two thing about them as a distinct community, first their faith in democracy, second maturity in their conduct till the provision made. In fact many Hindus always supported them for their marriage act n so on. Hindus vs Sikh seems to be your figment of imagination, come with me I will show how we celebrate each other festivals in my hometown, I will also show you long queues of Sikh waiting outside a Seedh Peeth (Lord Durga temple) during this Navratra....

Regarding Buddhism, there could be some skirmishes between the twos in old days but largely India remained Hindu predominantly except some parts.

Never mind how old I am.

I got my answer with regards to the frame of reference you speak from.

Though the "khoongressi" line in your earlier post, that made me ask the question in the first place, was all the hint I really needed .....

Cheers.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

You couldn't bear a Hindu in power for 3 years,
you couldn't bear Hindus asking for one temple to be given back,
You couldn't bear Hindus asking for respecting their religious beliefs..

Yet, you have no problems destroying hundreds of thousands of temples, which continues even today in Kashmir. Yesterday one more temple blown up in Assam.
You have no problem going hammer and tongs against people disrespecting your religion.
Your visceral hatred for Hindus is very much for all to see here...and this is what is teh general consensus among your kind. You have the courage because of obvious reasons but others like you don't, so, they won't say to face..

Lesson is, Learn about the GOLDEN RULE...It will serve u well in life. Otherwise, you will have more Yogi's rising all over India and it would be reverse Mughal era

if people convert from Hinduism to Islam and make their temple a mosque to pray than this doesn't make it right to demolish the mosque.
but soon within a decade,there won'tne any temple in India and Indian will make mosques over it volunteerily.

two nation theory still alive. bad for India.

 

[DineshS]

if people convert from Hinduism to Islam and make their temple a mosque to pray than this doesn't make it right to demolish the mosque.
but soon within a decade,there won'tne any temple in India and Indian will make mosques over it volunteerily.

two nation theory still alive. bad for India.

It's a pity that so called muslims are blatantly disregarding Holy prophets teachings.

First please go through what your prophet taught.
He explicitly forbade anyone to demolish other religious structures and build mosques on top of it.

Looks like Muslims are rdy to kill in name of Holy prophet but don't really care to follow his teachings..

Again, what a travesty in the name of Holy prophet.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

It's a pity that so called muslims are blatantly disregarding Holy prophets teachings.

First please go through what your prophet taught.
He explicitly forbade anyone to demolish other religious structures and build mosques on top of it.

Looks like Muslims are rdy to kill in name of Holy prophet but don't really care to follow his teachings..

Again, what a travesty in the name of Holy prophet.

there are many historical facts that converts themselves converted their temples to mosques and it's not forcing and not forbidible in any religion.
but demolishing non Muslims temples by force with no security reason like spying is not allowed in Islam, which is a different case.

 

[DineshS]

there are many historical facts that converts themselves converted their temples to mosques and it's not forcing and not forbidible in any religion.
but demolishing non Muslims temples by force with no security reason like spying is not allowed in Islam, which is a different case.

I can imagine the scenario being played out in Muslim majority areas, where they have converted as majority.

Let me know how the conversion of temples to mosques happen in Hindu majority areas like Ayodhya? Ayodhya was never a Muslim majority area...I think you get the picture.

And No, Holy Prophet explicitly said don't build mosques by destroying other religious structures.
Babri masjid was built on ruins of temple - which is haraam per Holy Prophet.

I am sincerely doubting Indian muslims affection for Holy Prophet at this point.