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'Aman ki Asha' blasted !

1971 was a pure Indian achievement. Muhammad Ghaznavi had nothing to do with Pakistan. He was an Afghan warlord who actually conquered large parts of Pakistan :D

I wasn't talking about ghaznavi:no: I was talking about how some indians here boast about 1971 which is irrelevant in alot of threads.
They live in the past also.
 
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Wow, a real eye opening thread.... Excellent/truthful posts by all senior pakistani members, a recommended read for all Indian Members!
 
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What justifies our existence is our military strength- the day we give it up, we'll lose our liberty to India as other small states have.

Despite reiterating the age old GHQ rhetoric, do even you believe that primary benefactors of military buildup has ever been the people of pakistan, or has the Pakistani army under the Indian boogeyman syndrome stifled fundamental political freedom for ages and thrown M.A Jinnah's envisioned roadmap of an islamic utopia in the trashcan the day Ayub Khan stepped in????

India has alienated itself from its neighbors, thanks to its 'triumphant' attitude and using fist every single time. We need to take as many nations in South Asia as we can in our pack with China and isolate India further. It will respond to its frustration by hard power projection on any country in the region, just like an elephant does.

If India indeed would have had the so called "triumphant" attitude as you claim, there wouldn't have been nations like nepal, srilanka, bhutan, surviving as independent nations. On the flip side, pakistan which has remained in shadows of India, doesn't have good relations with any of it's neighbors and as far as foreign relations are concerned, pakistan should be the last nation on the planet to lecture Indians on the matter.... the debacle after debacles, blunder one after the other that pakistan has made it a perpetual joke in the realm of foreign relations.

That is a mistake we need them to make, using hindu extremists as a catalyst. We should be funding existing groups like Sangh Parivar and its organs like RSS, VHP. Indian strength is its secularism - we need to work to get them to give up secularism [in practice]. There is no better way of doing that than funding right wing Hindu groups through proxy bank wires and drugs revenue.

I wonder if this has been the downfall of pakistan, and will continue to hinder it's plans.... defacing all peace initiatives, and painstakingly formulating concoctions of destabilizing India, sometimes by kashmiris, sometimes by sikhs, now this new wondrous idea by @Aeronaut of promoting VHP. I am willing to draw flak by stating the following, I personally am indifferent to existence of VHP/RSS, when the "in- thing"in modern india is to bash RSS/VHP. BUT pakistanis when try to portray VHP/RSS as the big bad wolves in India, they often forget, that RSS/VHP since it's formation was the counter balance to All India Muslim League, which formed pakistan....

From fundamental scalar weight of policy views there is no difference between VHP and AIML, both wanted states cut out of India based on religion, the difference remains and will continue to remain is Pakistanis willingly chose a fundamental outset for the formation of there nation, and Indians rejected the political system based on religion on day one and continued to do so till today.

Now as far as funding RSS is concerned, It wouldn't be wrong to say that VHP's coffers are twice the economy of pakistan, so good luck with that!
 
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I wasn't talking about ghaznavi:no: I was talking about how some indians here boast about 1971 which is irrelevant in alot of threads.
They live in the past also.

Well, I will need to see the context to comment, but yes, living in past only does reflect the state of your present and future.
 
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Peace with India is a myth, only thing that can be maintained is 'status quo'.
So there can be peace with India only if:

1. India hands over Kashmir on a silver platter to Pakistan.
2. Hands over control of all the rivers flowing into Pakistan.
3. Hands over Sir Creek to Pakistan.
4. Gifts Siachen to Pakistan.
5. Fixes all cricket matches in favor of Pakistan!

Then there would be aman forever! :yahoo:

Seriously? But then clowns like Zaid Hamid and Hafiz Saeed would be out of jobs! And that sucks, what? :cheesy:
 
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Nope - conventional defense is green - strategic defense is green. Yes we need to work for a better economy but the war we need to fight against India is going to be won if the Right Wing Hindu groups take control of the country, we need to help them do it.
Are you then going to vote for the BJP? :omghaha:

Your hawkish attitude toward India and Indians is spectacular in its scope and content. :P

A 'Mod' like you should have 'moderate' views and not hardcore bilge that you keep spewing to vitiate the atmosphere here that inevitably results in a troll fest! :sick:
 
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Are you then going to vote for the BJP? :omghaha:

Your hawkish attitude toward India and Indians is spectacular in its scope and content. :P

A 'Mod' like you should have 'moderate' views and not hardcore bilge that you keep spewing to vitiate the atmosphere here that inevitably results in a troll fest! :sick:

I tend to think that this hawkish attitude towards perceived enemies is actually a reflection of the real or perceived impotence to actually do anything good for one's own society.

When the supposed utopia turns out to be not so utopian at all, this is the easy way out.

It may sound brave to some but is actually cowardice.
 
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We don't need to kill anyone in India - what we have to do is to help the right wing Hindu groups gain political dominance. What that will do is that Indian union's [Federation of 80+ nations] core strength [Secularism] will rot as the Hindu parties project their newly accumulated power on their fellow citizens.

* Destroy their political unity by helping the extremists gain power. [Their parliament should look like a 'fish market']

* Work to have Indian military spread all over the country to a point of ineffectiveness.

* Isolate India regionally -further- it has followed that path since long, we need to help them finish it off.

You will get the results you want without ever firing in combat.

What you do forget is that these so called Hindutva parties have been in power before and in their much more HIndu hard liner avataar.. The only thing that rotted at that time were the remains of Pakistani men (soldiers or militants.. take your pick) who tried to capture Kargil and the only isolation that was felt was by Pakistan when its duplicity on Kashmir was exposed (famous Musharraf tapes) and its elected prime minister was given a public tongue lashing by his American counterpart in washington
 
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They are doing it and also now they would love to come to avenge the latest riots in Muzzafargarh

Seriously, some skewed priorities! ;)

40,000 Pakistanis have been killed by Taliban and it's supporters (and people here say you are one of them).

It's clear who needs to be avenged first. ;)

Anyway, try coming here yourself. We will make sure you get to your destination fairly quick if you manage to escape the electrified fence which fries and makes quick work of most of the terrorists.
 
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:lol: there are more Indians on this forum which proves that who is obsessed.

You come again and again after getting banned due to your own uncontrolled abusive behavior but still you have an itch to come on this forum which shows you are obsessed not us. :)

And an Indian wishing good for Pakistan?? and that too an Indian like you???
:laugh: come on vinod you are hiding from your own reality.

Oh Common...There are always good and bad in every country... As a matter of fact I have a lot of Pakistani friends and we get along really well...We both really wish that our countries do well... Yes I do agree there are Indian fanboys on this forum who talk BS not only about Pakistanis but also about other nations, However not every person and as a majority is like that...:azn:
So don't go on saying that Indians are retarded and wish bad about your country...
 
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What you do forget is that these so called Hindutva parties have been in power before and in their much more HIndu hard liner avataar.. The only thing that rotted at that time were the remains of Pakistani men (soldiers or militants.. take your pick) who tried to capture Kargil and the only isolation that was felt was by Pakistan when its duplicity on Kashmir was exposed (famous Musharraf tapes) and its elected prime minister was given a public tongue lashing by his American counterpart in washington


Mate - You need to add that the Hindutva parties focussed only on development and minorities were not touched.
 
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Even if nothing had happened these fanatics will find an excuse - If not Muzzafarnagar it will be Gujarat Riots or it is Babri or Partition riots. The brainwashed idiots will go to any length even killing innocents including muslims as it happened in Mumbai and you guys will gloat from sidelines without an iota of sympathy.
Mr this may take some time but revenge would be taken and India would pay a really heavy price

Seriously, some skewed priorities! ;)

40,000 Pakistanis have been killed by Taliban and it's supporters (and people here say you are one of them).

It's clear who needs to be avenged first. ;)

Anyway, try coming here yourself. We will make sure you get to your destination fairly quick if you manage to escape the electrified fence which fries and makes quick work of most of the terrorists.
What those 10 did to Mumbai is still fresh isn't it :devil:
 
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What those 10 did to Mumbai is still fresh isn't it :devil:

I know terror supporters like these have one great place where they experience great sights and sounds. ;)

Gitmo bay is still open.

You have one Mumbai every month because of Islamic extremism.

Anyway, I understand that you are just a prisoner of a bad ideology. It is the ideology that is at the root of the problem and needs to be rooted out.
 
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I know terror supporters like these have one great place where they experience great sights and sounds. ;)

Gitmo bay is still open.

You have one Mumbai every month because of Islamic extremism.

Anyway, I understand that you are just a prisoner of a bad ideology. It is the ideology that is at the root of the problem
and needs to be rooted out.
Ideology is perfect love for those who understand what is love and war for those who understand war and this what exactly mahmood ghaznawi did to you
 
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