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https://uk.reuters.com/article/iran...an-source-idUKL1N29D1DU?utm_source=reddit.com

OTTAWA, Jan 8 (Reuters) - The initial assessment of Western intelligence agencies is that a Ukrainian airliner which crashed in Iran on Wednesday was not brought down by a missile, said a Canadian security source.

The source, who declined to be identified, said the agencies believed the Boeing 737 plane had suffered a technical malfunction. The Ukraine International Airline jet crashed shortly after takeoff from Tehran, killing all 176 people on board. (Reporting by David Ljunggren; Editing by Amran Abocar and Chizu Nomiyama)
 
It seems to me a cyber attack hacked the engine control software on the engines which caused overheating of the engines and caught fire and brought the plane down shortly after taking off from Tehran. Modern jet engines unlike old jet engines are controlled by software just like 2010 Toyota brakes which malfunctioned due to software malfunction unlike earlier Toyota brakes which were not controlled by software.

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https://uk.reuters.com/article/iran...an-source-idUKL1N29D1DU?utm_source=reddit.com

OTTAWA, Jan 8 (Reuters) - The initial assessment of Western intelligence agencies is that a Ukrainian airliner which crashed in Iran on Wednesday was not brought down by a missile, said a Canadian security source.

The source, who declined to be identified, said the agencies believed the Boeing 737 plane had suffered a technical malfunction. The Ukraine International Airline jet crashed shortly after takeoff from Tehran, killing all 176 people on board. (Reporting by David Ljunggren; Editing by Amran Abocar and Chizu Nomiyama)
It's not true until bigoted experts of PDF agree. :taz:
 
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/01/09/615707/Iran-ukraine-airplane-crash-boeing

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A handout photo provided by the Iranian news agency IRNA on January 8, 2020, shows rescue teams working at the scene of a Ukrainian airliner that crashed shortly after take-off near Imam Khomeini airport in the Iranian capital Tehran. (Photo by AFP)
Iran’s minister of road and urban development has dismissed as "untrue" rumors that suggest the Wednesday crash of a Ukrainian airliner was because of a missile attack, as the incident coincided with the launch of Iran's missiles against a US base in Iraq.

Mohammad Eslami said the Boeing 737-800 aircraft crashed after encountering a technical malfunction.

Eslami said Iran will not hand over the black boxes recovered from the crash site to Boeing or any other countries.

According to the minister, Iranian technicians and experts from the American aerospace company Boeing will recover data from the black boxes in Iran.

"There are rumors that a terrorist attack, explosion or shooting at the plane may have caused the incident, but they are not true. Technical failure has been the cause of the incident," Eslami said.

"Had the rumors been true, the plane must have exploded up in the air, but that has not happened, because the plane caught fire due to technical failure. That first caused its communications and control systems to stop working, and subsequently resulted in its crash," he added.

These have been witnessed and confirmed by eyewitnesses as well, the minister said.

The Ukraine International Airlines flight, en route to Kiev and carrying mostly Iranians and Iranian-Canadians, crashed hours after Iran fired missiles at bases housing US forces in Iraq, leading some to speculate that the plane may have been hit.

Meanwhile, foreign intelligence sources also believe that the crash - which killed all the 179 on board - was likely caused by a technical malfunction.

Five security sources - three Americans, one European and one Canadian - who asked not to be named, told Reuters that based on initial assessment of Western intelligence agencies, the plane had suffered a technical malfunction and had not been brought down by a missile.

There was evidence one of the jet's engines had overheated, the Canadian source said.

The crash comes at a difficult time for planemaker Boeing Co, which has grounded its 737 MAX fleet after two crashes.


Ukrainian passenger jet crashes in Iran, all 179 on board dead
A Ukrainian passenger plane with 179 people on board crashes shortly after take-off from the international airport south of the Iranian capital, Tehran, killing all those aboard.


The 737-800 is one of the world's most-flown models with a good safety record and does not have the software feature implicated in crashes of the 737 MAX.

"We are in contact with our airline customers and stand by them in this difficult time. We are ready to assist in any way needed," the manufacturer said in a statement earlier on Wednesday.

It declined further comment. Its shares fell 1.1% on Wednesday.

In Paris on Wednesday morning, the maker of the plane's engines, French-US firm CFM - co-owned by General Electric Co and France's Safran - said speculation regarding the cause was premature.

Smouldering parts and debris, including shoes and clothes, were strewn across a field southwest of the Iranian capital, where rescue workers in face masks laid out scores of body bags.

It was Kiev-based Ukraine International Airlines' first fatal crash, and the carrier said it was doing everything possible to establish the cause.

Ukraine said it was sending a team of experts to Iran to investigate. President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said he had instructed Ukraine's prosecutor general to open criminal proceedings, without specifying who they would involve.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Canada would "continue to work closely with its international partners to ensure that this crash is thoroughly investigated" and US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the United States was calling for complete cooperation with any investigation into cause of the crash.

Under international rules, responsibility for investigating the crash lies with Iran. Iranian state television said both of the plane's black box voice and data recorders had been found.

The head of Iran's civil aviation organization said it was not clear which country Iran would send the black boxes to for analysis of the data, but it would not give them to Boeing.


Leader offers condolences over tragic plane crash in Tehran, deadly overcrowding at Soleimani’s funeral
The Leader offers condolences to the Iranian nation over a passenger plane crash in Tehran and a deadly stampede during the funeral procession for General Soleimani in Kerman.


The three-year-old 737-800NG's last scheduled maintenance was conducted on Jan. 6, Ukraine International Airlines said.

An amateur video, run by Iranian news agencies and purportedly of the crashing plane, showed a descending flash in a dark sky. It was accompanied by comments that the aircraft was "on fire" and then a brighter flash as it appeared to hit the ground.

Safety experts say airliner accidents rarely have a single cause and that it typically takes months of investigation to understand all the factors behind them.

Modern aircraft are designed and certified to cope with an engine failure shortly after take-off and to fly for extended periods on one engine. But an uncontained engine failure releasing shrapnel can cause damage to other aircraft systems.
 
Not sure, what is the international law about the custody of the black box of a crashed civilian aircraft?
 
Not sure, what is the international law about the custody of the black box of a crashed civilian aircraft?
Well then , why hide the blackbox?

I'm completely sure , the custody fall in the hand of the country that the accident happen in its soil . the country that the plane registered to also will be presented in the investigation.

about examining the Black box as a matter of fact the best facilities to do so are not in USA but in countries like France and England and we usually worked with France in such case .

but now I wonder why people expect us to hand over the black box to USA . we will work as always . gather as much data as we can from the data recorders and then send it to Europe (probably France) so they can extract more data from the damaged part of the devices.
 
Ukraine investigators considering possibility that missile brought down passenger plane over Tehran

By
Isabelle Khurshudyan
Jan. 9, 2020 at 6:21 p.m. GMT+5

MOSCOW — Ukrainian investigators considered the possibility that an antiaircraft missile might have hit a passenger jet that crashed near Tehran, killing all 176 aboard, as an initial report released Thursday by Iran said the plane was on fire while still in the air.

The preliminary Iranian investigation cited witness accounts that the plane was burning and noted that the Kyiv-bound flight was turning back toward Tehran’s airport because of a “problem” when it went down Wednesday.

Ukrainian investigators said they were also considering engine failure or a terrorist attack as possible causes of the crash.

The Ukraine International Airlines flight departed Tehran at 6:12 a.m. on Wednesday and was approaching 8,000 feet when it abruptly lost contact with ground control, officials said.


The report from Iran’s Civil Aviation Organization said witnesses — on the ground and among the crew of another flight in the vicinity — reported seeing a fire while the Boeing 737 800jet was still in the air, followed by an explosion when it slammed into a field near an amusement park.

A video from a closed-circuit television camera posted on Twitter by Iran’s state broadcaster showed the predawn darkness suddenly lit in a fiery orange glow and then flaming debris scattering over a wide area.

“The trajectory of the collision indicated that the plane was initially moving toward the west, but after encountering a problem, it turned to the right and was approaching the airport again at the time of the crash,” Ali Abedzadeh, head of the Civil Aviation Organization, said in the report.

Iranian officials said immediately after the crash that the plane had encountered technical problems, but this did not appear in the report, which also noted that there was no distress call from the aircraft.

A Ukrainian plane with 45 experts and search-and-rescue personnel arrived in Tehran early Thursday to participate in the investigation, as well as to identify and repatriate the bodies of the 11 Ukrainians on board, including all nine crew members.

Oleksiy Danylov, secretary of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, wrote on Facebook that his team wants to search for possible debris of a Russian missile, the Tor air defense missile, after seeing online reports about the discovery of possible fragments of one near the crash site.

He added that Ukraine’s commission includes specialists who helped investigate the July 2014 downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in Ukraine. The government in Kyiv has also suspended all Ukrainian flights over Iranian and Iraqi airspace.

The Iranian report said both the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder were recovered but were damaged. Abedzadeh has said Iran will not share those so-called black boxes with Boeing, but other countries have been invited to participate in the investigation in accordance with international guidelines.

The passengers on the plane were mostly Iranians but also included Europeans and more than 60 Canadian citizens. Speaking to reporters in Ottawa on Wednesday, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said that 138 of those onboard were en route to Toronto. He promised that the crash would be “thoroughly investigated.”

“Canadians have questions, and they deserve answers,” he told reporters Wednesday in Ottawa.

Asked if he could “categorically” rule out that the plane was not shot down, Trudeau said that he could not, adding that it is too early to speculate on possible causes.

Under standards outlined in the International Civil Aviation Organization’s Annex 13, the country where a crash occurs leads the investigation and is responsible for releasing information related to the incident. Officials in other countries may be included to offer technical and investigative support.

Because Boeing jets are manufactured and certified in the United States, U.S. safety officials have the right to participate in the crash investigation under international rules. However, because of sanctions imposed on Iran, there are additional challenges. Government agencies, including the National Transportation Safety Board, must secure a license from the Office of Foreign Assets Control to be permitted to travel to the country. Experts say securing that license is a complicated process that can take months or even years.

Several U.S.-based aviation experts have expressed skepticism that a technical malfunction brought down the plane, as Iranian officials suggested in the immediate aftermath of the crash. Iran, however, has strongly rejected speculation that a missile might have hit the plane.

Brig. Gen. Abolfazl Shekarchi, a spokesman for the armed forces, described that chatter to Iran’s Mehr news agency as American “psychological warfare,” as well as “ridiculous” and an “utter lie.”

“Most of the passengers on this plane were invaluable Iranian youth; everything we do is aimed at defending our people’s and country’s security,” Shekarchi said.

About four hours before the crash, Iranian forces launched more than a dozen ballistic missiles into Iraq, targeting an Iraqi air base with U.S. personnel and a facility in the northern city of Irbil in response to an American airstrike last week that killed the commander of Iran's elite Quds Force, Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani.

American passenger airliners had been told not to fly over Iran because of the risk that they could be mistaken for military aircraft. Several other major airlines followed suit Wednesday.

Jeff Guzzetti, who headed the Federal Aviation Administration’s accident investigation division until his retirement last year, said preliminary and publicly available evidence, such as eyewitness video of the crash and news organizations’ photos of the wreckage, suggest that the plane was brought down deliberately. He added that the emergence of further evidence could change his view.

“To me it has all the earmarks of an intentional act,” Guzzetti told The Washington Post. “I don’t know whether it was a bomb or a missile or an incendiary device. I just know airplanes don’t come apart like that.”

Marc Garneau, Canada’s transport minister, said satellite data suggests that the aircraft had a “standard departure” and then lost contact with officials soon after, indicating that “something very unusual happened.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...27434c-3244-11ea-971b-43bec3ff9860_story.html

Between the first and second wave of Iranian response, Iranian state media stated to claim that Iran has shot down an USAF Jet.

Highly Unconfirmed: US jet shot down near Bandr Abbas

Iranian state tv is confirming of USAF Jet down

Found near crash site.

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shrapnels like holes over fuselage pieces.

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Something interesting..

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if it was a SAM hit than it will be embarrassing for Iran ..
 
Doubt it. Tehran is near Caspian. The only way American plane fly to Tehran is fly thousands of kilometers over Iranian airspace.
 
the shrapnel ridden panel justify a missile hit...
 

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