Alcohol in Pakistan: The prohibition and after

[RangerPK]

alcohol has no business with the voilance and law/ order situation as for the extremists their are plenty google al qaida , taliban , lashkar e jhangvi etc caught in karachi or acccepted responsibility of attacks and you will get a lot of insight , i gave you examples of recent election results as well please take it into account and you will have a clear insight. Another example in ANP few years back voiced ethnic killings of Pukhtuns in karachi , once those locations were taken over by extremists they than realise.
+ their are many other examples , i would like to repeat the same thing again and again really .. if you think otherwise you have the right of opinion .. In time we will know , who is behind

The core issue of Karachi is crime and lawlessness, mafia, because of that, some "religious" elements
Have fond a place in Karachi recently as well, but that was not always the case.

What you are discussing is completely different from The topic. It has more to do with ethnic conflict, denying representation to ethnicities. Etc. if we start, discussing that, and a lot stuff comes up, including MQM and its mafia activities, its conflict with pushtoons, etc. this deserves another thread, any further discussion on this complicated subject would derail the thread.

But the gist remains the same. Core issue in Karachi is crime, and where there is crime, there is alcohol, drugs, prostitution.

 

[JanjaWeed]

Instead of losing heavy revenue to black marketeers, why don't govt makes it free for all? Tobacco & alcohol are the high tax earners for exchequers around the world!

 

[RangerPK]

Instead of losing heavy revenue to black marketeers, why don't govt makes it free for all? Tobacco & alcohol are the high tax earners for exchequers around the world!

By that logic, we should make drugs and prostitution legal as well. We would get so much revenue, and these people won't evade tax at all. Yay what a great idea.

Our government can make girls school from the revenue they collect from all the prostitution.

And Rehab centers from the revenue they collect from drugs and alcohol.

 

[JanjaWeed]

By that logic, we should make drugs and prostitution legal as well. We would get so much revenue, and these people won't evade tax at all. Yay what a great idea.

Our government can make girls school from the revenue they collect from all the prostitution.

And Rehab centers from the revenue they collect from drugs and alcohol.

Wow... what a imaginative idea? Why not? Instead of mortgaging country's economy to IMF, may as well go with the idea floated by yourself. Could be the first in the world, but hey... no harm in trying!

 

[pak-marine]

The core issue of Karachi is crime and lawlessness, mafia, because of that, some "religious" elements
and where there is crime, there is alcohol, drugs, prostitution.

And in my opinion its other way around due to religious terrrorism from last several decades the city is plagued with illegal religious terror migrants from all over the world which has effected [akistan and karachi and thus why their is political unrest, crime etc etc ... i agree with the narrative put by some one that yeh wasaail ki jung hai.

 

[pak-marine]

Well true, not that finding alcohol in Pakistan is any harder now than it was before the jihadis arrived in 1980s.

its a tiny issue once in power they will execute any one who drinks .. they are after the big fish only taxing manufacturers at the moment .. thats my guess though

 

[MrShabi2010]

it will.
inshallah.

do u know why ?

And why is that?

 

[KRAIT]

Thanks for info

Alcohol is not good for heath.

But banning it wont stop people from consuming it. This is especially true in subcontinent

Spreading awareness about its adverse effect and not allowing minors to consume alcohol are the onlylogical steps that can be taken.

Yaar don't quote entire post to write 4 line reply.

 

[Thirdfront]

Learn to understand the dangerous of something esp when the law and medical science say it is bad (I use these 2 coz many reading this are not religious so I wont even bring religion in)...The fall of a whole society can be as easy as drugs and booooz:

One could easily pick up a case study from History where the Chinese were given Opium and gotten addicted to it...The Chinese ended up paying with HONG KONG and MACAU!

Medical science doesn't say alcohol is bad, entirely. There are lot of studies which show limited consumption is good for health. These are demonstrated to be very helpful in saving lives in certain circumstances like hypothermia. Offcourse, there are side effects too. Main is the addiction. Chinese got back their HK and Macau and more prosperous than ever...

All those equating rape, corruption and other crimes to drinking alcohol are missing one point. Other crimes do essentially impede on the rights of innocents. Consuming alcohol by itself is no harm to others.

 

[liall]

Tobacco, marijuana, alcohol, heroin, PCP, etc.

All these substances are addictive, harmful to the individual and society, and carry a financial/health burden which is imposed on society.

Difference societies draw the line at a different place to decide what is, and is not, allowed. There is no basic, inalienable human right to consume any of these substances.

Perhaps Mr. Paracha and others can explain why Pakistan should draw the line at a certain place. This argument should be made by appeal to logic and human rights, not because country X, Y, and Z does it this way or that way.

Addictive and harmful to individuals yes but it should be left to individuals to decide. I mean a packet of lays is addictive/harmful too but in a different way. Now some countries are trying to introduce fat taxes as well but its a different story. A glass of red wine along with some nicely done steak is the idea of best dinner to lot of people around the world(Easily over a billion inc. me but its too expensive so I cant afford it often) Why deny that taste to your people. Alcohol is partially legal in Pakistan and steak is partially legal in India. Both are wrong IMO. Legalise it and let people decide what they want to eat and what they want to drink. Regarding tobacco and other drugs I think laws regarding them in sub continent are good enough for now but could be changed with time and requirements.

By that logic, we should make drugs and prostitution legal as well. We would get so much revenue, and these people won't evade tax at all. Yay what a great idea.

Our government can make girls school from the revenue they collect from all the prostitution.

And Rehab centers from the revenue they collect from drugs and alcohol.

Yea you know some countries like Denmark and Netherlands have legalised prostitution. Netherlands has legalised drugs as well and these are the countries with the highest living standards in the world. Not saying it is a good thing but it does not ruin a country as you might think it does. And given the opportunity all of the sub continent would take up citizenship in these 2 European countries.

 

[haviZsultan]

Alcohol should not be prohibited in Pakistan. Each and every person in Pakistan should have a choice. If he chooses to drink it is completely his or her own choice. We should not impose things on our people. Give them freedom and they will flourish.

It was Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto who banned alcohol even for minorities just to appease the mullahs. We need to build a tolerant society. We need to give equal rights to each one of our people.

 

[Developereo]

Addictive and harmful to individuals yes but it should be left to individuals to decide.

If the consequences of an action are limited to that individual, then, yes, it is an individual choice.

The problem with alcohol is that its impact spreads out to a LOT of people who did NOT chose to drink: I already posted the societal costs of alcohol (traffic accidents, domestic abuse, health care costs, damage to public property, loss of productivity, etc, etc.).

Why should society subsidize the personal choices of those who drink alcohol?

Alcohol should not be prohibited in Pakistan. Each and every person in Pakistan should have a choice. If he chooses to drink it is completely his or her own choice. We should not impose things on our people. Give them freedom and they will flourish.

Would you extend this "choice" to heroin users? PCP users?

Why alcohol?

Other than YOUR personal choice to exempt alcohol, why is alcohol different from these other addictive drugs?

 

[liall]

If the consequences of an action are limited to that individual, then, yes, it is an individual choice.

The problem with alcohol is that its impact spreads out to a LOT of people who did NOT chose to drink: I already posted the societal costs of alcohol (traffic accidents, domestic abuse, health care costs, damage to public property, loss of productivity, etc, etc.).

Why should society subsidize the personal choices of those who drink alcohol?



Would you extend this "choice" to heroin users? PCP users?

Why alcohol?

Other than YOUR personal choice to exempt alcohol, why is alcohol different from these other addictive drugs?

It is kind of the other way then you think. Alcohol is heavily taxed and the people drink/smoke pay so much taxes that in fact they help in paying bills of government health care

And regarding heroin I think it is way much more addictive then alcohol. When you are living in Australia you should know better. People in west drink alcohol not because they are addicted to it but because it is a way of socialising. May be getting drunk go to bars to get laid too Alcohol makes the whole process easier

 

[Dubious]

Medical science doesn't say alcohol is bad, entirely. There are lot of studies which show limited consumption is good for health. These are demonstrated to be very helpful in saving lives in certain circumstances like hypothermia.

I am not sure if you have heard of prevention is better than cure...Let see you talked about Hypothermia...But a little bit of research and little bit of googling tells us this:

Alcohol consumption increases the risk of hypothermia via its action as a vasodilator. It increases blood flow to the body's skin and extremities, making a person feel warm, while increasing heat loss.[29] Between 33% and 73% of hypothermia cases are complicated by alcohol

Not sure who is teaching you biology there...get the teacher sacked for teaching you direct opposite!

Try reading something at metobolomics level...

Offcourse, there are side effects too. Main is the addiction. Chinese got back their HK and Macau and more prosperous than ever...

So back off from Kashmir to us some Northern states to China....am sure you guys will get it back more prosperous than ever! That is IF they WANT TO GO BACK

All those equating rape, corruption and other crimes to drinking alcohol are missing one point. Other crimes do essentially impede on the rights of innocents. Consuming alcohol by itself is no harm to others.

Ya just the intoxicated guy has no idea where he is...walking in front of the car is fine...drunk driving is fine too he was just trying to get home to his family...drunk girls are fine easier targets for morons...drunk husbands are fine too, just beating up the wife nothing to be shocked about ...

It is kind of the other way then you think. Alcohol is heavily taxed and the people drink/smoke pay so much taxes that in fact they help in paying bills of government health care

yea so are alot of things which are pure evils! Why dont you pay the proper tax the NORMAL way?

And regarding heroin I think it is way much more addictive then alcohol. When you are living in Australia you should know better. People in west drink alcohol not because they are addicted to it but because it is a way of socialising. May be getting drunk go to bars to get laid too Alcohol makes the whole process easier

That is really sad...not being able to "get laid" without being unconscious!

As for heroin it is worse in the sense it attacks the brain in more than one way while alcohol attacks your liver and there are some studies about alcohol consumption and poisoning of the living cell....like i said read up about it before going all blind support for your friend (alcohol)!

 

[Dubious]

Alcohol should not be prohibited in Pakistan. Each and every person in Pakistan should have a choice.

Each and every person in Pakistan should have a choice...I agree but not to kill himself and the society!

If he chooses to drink it is completely his or her own choice. We should not impose things on our people. Give them freedom and they will flourish.

Seriously are you sure you know what you are talking about?!

There are reasons why SOME LAWS are universal! Alcoholism is a problem not exactly something worth choosing or even thinking about! It is not even a necessity...you can live without it so it shouldnt even be equated to "imposing on our people" or "freedom" and as for flourishing...I am yet to see one who drinks flourish! You would be surprised at how the West has more brain in this scenario...Europeans drink as a culture not to get drunk and the laws here are stricter than you know! The threshold for being considered drunk was recently reduced. Hence many who are not even drunk can be given a fine if caught driving on that threshold! So, I guess West do know the harm of it!

In America the top reasons for spousal abuse is alcohol and drugs...I talk about Amerca coz there are clear stats for that country! So I am not sure what you are crying about freedom and flourishing! Please make sense sometimes!

It was Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto who banned alcohol even for minorities just to appease the mullahs. We need to build a tolerant society. We need to give equal rights to each one of our people.

Ok MULLAH ACTIVIST!

Yes we need to give EQUAL RIGHTS...but since when did alcohol become a right?!