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Alcohol in Pakistan: The prohibition and after

I wish we feel the same about those lying,being dishonest, doing unfair dealing, and getting corruption money etc

anyway, I explained you a point in the last line of my previous post.

So people who do all that crime, don't drink at all? And people who drink don't do such crime?

I doubt that, if anything, criminals are in a habit of drinking alcohol. It's not like rapist never touched alcohol in their lives, in fact, chances of rapists raping increase when they are intoxicated with alcohol.

Criminals start of doing deviant activities, such as drink alcohol or doing charas, and then gradually graduate to doing more serve crimes, like murder, armed robberies, rape.

If such filth is caught in the early stage of their development, we can can prevent bigger crimes. Drunkard filth, need to be punished, either beaten up or thrown in jail, till they stop such activity.

No sane parent would want their child to be near a drunkard, and these drunkard alcoholics end up having babies. What sort of upbringing would that child have? Especially when alcoholic parent tries to rape their own child.

These drunkards should not have babies, we already are over populated, we don't want substandard drunkard reproducing in our society, and contribute dysfunctional, potentially criminal offsprings.


Personally I would want drunkard alcoholics to be castrated, but beating them up or jailing would do fine too.

Prohibition was useless when the models of prohibition themselves are drunkards of the highest order.
One such rather fat fellow who was recently on the Aalim-Online program in Ramadan was caught by Isb police drunk after he was returning from a party at the US embassy.


This means we need more efficient execution of this law to prevent such activity. Our government can't even stop two bit drunkard, how can our government handle terrorists then?
 
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This means we need more efficient execution of this law to prevent such activity. Our government can't even stop two bit drunkard, how can our government handle terrorists then?

WHO will execute the law? When the executioner is himself drunk. It is better then to let it be till you truly have a state with the capacity to enforce its peoples wishes. However, when sections of the populations readily buy and consume alcohol despite all the piousness at the surface; then clearly there is political rather than actual true popular religious motivation for the banning of alcohol.
 
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It can be allowed those follow religious practice ethically as its forbidden in Islam won't drink it, others who feel like may drink it at least of quality and not spurious liquor risking there lives
 
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The argument that politicians are hypocrites and drink alcohol is spurious.

Such people also use prostitutes, gamble, and are corrupt to the bone.

Shall we then legalize prostitution, gambling and corruption?

The arguments against alcohol are based on the costs to society, both direct in terms of public vandalism and public health, as well as indirect in social services and long term effects of alcoholism. It is a drug, just like heroin or PCP -- it just happens to have a longer history.

The proponents of alcohol sales need to justify why society should take on this cost. It need have nothing to do with religion.
 
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Alcohol in Pakistan: The prohibition and after
NADEEM F. PARACHA
Published 2013-12-05 10:03:39


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One of my favourite pastimes is sharing a drink with close friends and talking late into the night about a million things, in spite of the fact that I’m not a big drinker – or rather haven’t been one for over a decade now.


Unlike most fans of sinful beverages in Pakistan, I only seldom keep alcoholic drinks at home. But those who do (in Karachi), this is perhaps one of the only reasons they like living in this city.

After all, Karachi (and the rest of the Sindh province) is the only place in Pakistan where one can buy alcoholic beverages rather easily.

Licenced ‘wine shops’ are a plenty and bootleggers (dealing in smuggled whisky, vodka and beer brands) operate freely.

When I turned 10 in 1977, religious political parties had spun alcohol into a national issue.

I remember thinking what all the fuss was about because as a child I’d seen nightclubs, bars and roadside cafes in Karachi (that served alcohol) operating like any entertainment business would.

But, of course, such thinking was emanating from a 10-year-old boy who could not understand the political and theological aspects behind the religious parties’ crusade against alcohol.

Once while coming back from a marriage ceremony that I had attended with my grandparents (during the height of the religious parties’ movement against the Bhutto regime in March 1977), our car got caught up in a riot at Karachi’s Lucky Star area.

All I remember of the episode was dozens of youth with sticks smashing traffic signals and then breaking into two liquor stores there. They had already destroyed the huge neon sign of Pakistan’s Murree Beer that stood on top of an apartment building in the same area.

This is what I saw that day: A few young men would raise slogans while breaking whiskey, gin, vodka and beer bottles in the two shops. But most young men, I remember, would go into the shops and come out carrying as many beer and whiskey bottles they could lay their hands on and run away with them into narrow lanes.

But the starkest memory I have of the episode is that of young men breaking into the two liquor stores, coming out with a bottle or two of Pakistani whisky, and swigging the stuff down their throats right there on the pavement outside the shops, before the stores eventually went up in flames.



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A mob gathers outside the Karachi University during the religious parties’ movement against the Z A. Bhutto regime in April 1977.
Obviously, as a 10-year-old I just couldn’t understand why men who were supposedly against the sale and consumption of alcohol in Pakistan (on religious grounds), would steal the merchandise of liquor stores for their own consumption and even drink it right there before putting the shops on fire.


Despite the violence and the eventual prohibition on the (open) sale of alcohol and bars in Pakistan in April 1977, Pakistanis never did stop drinking.

In fact according to many surveys, cases of alcoholism grew two-fold in the 1980s and so did cases of death and disease caused by tainted whiskey (‘moonshine’).

Illegal and shady breweries producing cheap whiskey for the consumption of those from the working and peasant classes were not a new phenomenon in Pakistan.

But when alcohol was legal in Pakistan, bars, cafes and liquor stores kept and sold alcoholic beverages from established breweries. These produced whiskey, vodka, gin and beer brands that came with various price tags.

For example, a bar or a liquor store would store both expensive brands, as well as inexpensive ones, but both would come from established breweries.

After the ban however, when liquor stores were only allowed to sell their products to non-Muslims, prices of alcoholic beverages skyrocketed.



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August 2013: Police in Faisalabad stand over confiscated bottles of toxic whiskey that was brewed by illegal brewers and killed over 15 men. Such brewers mostly use empty bottles of established whiskey brands.
Though the beverages were still in the reach of upper and middle-class Pakistanis who drank, drinkers from the working and peasant classes could not keep up with the rising prices.


They began to squarely depend on liquor being produced by the shady moonshine makers and many poor and working-class Pakistanis continue to lose their lives due to the tainted and underprepared whiskey (Katchi Sharab) produced by illegal brewers.

However, over the decades, and with Pakistan continuing to face the ever-growing issues of religious and sectarian violence, burgeoning crime rates and political and economic upheavals, alcohol as a burning moral issue has greatly receded into the background.

Though it is still banned, it is easily available in ‘wine shops’, some restaurants and from bootleggers, especially in the Sindh province and its capital, Karachi.

What’s more, Pakistan’s oldest and largest brewery, Murree Brewery, continues to do roaring business and is one of the biggest tax-paying set-ups in Pakistan.

Nobody throws up their arms anymore and shouts out loud moralistic platitudes if they find out that someone drinks. It’s an issue that is just not talked about much anymore.

For example, some religious parties have attempted to trigger a number of campaigns against liquor stores in Karachi, but have failed to generate any worthwhile momentum and support from the people. A far cry from what these parties achieved in this regard in 1977.

The only time the debate on alcohol is revived (in the media) is when people die from consuming cheap tainted whiskey.

And even then, newspaper reports and analysts do not shy away anymore from alluding that moonshiners thrive mainly due to the alcohol ban in the country that has greatly jacked-up the prices of good quality alcoholic beverages available in the legal ‘wine shops.’

The message is that the 1977 prohibition failed to stop many Pakistanis from consuming alcohol. In fact, the ban continues to drive a number of poor men into consuming poisonous whiskey, or they end up becoming drug addicts.

When the sale of alcoholic beverages was prohibited in April 1977 in Pakistan, it was more of a political decision than a moral one.

Under pressure from an animated protest movement by an alliance of various right-wing political parties (Pakistan National Alliance [PNA]), Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto began to pragmatically address and agree to some of the demands made by the PNA leaders.

Bhutto’s government had come to power through the popular vote and had made a number of socialist promises.

However, by 1977 the government was facing harsh criticism from its right-wing opponents (especially in the major urban centers of the country).

By the time Bhutto went in for a reelection in 1977, his government was embroiled in grave economic problems (triggered by the international oil crises, subsequent inflation, and the failure of the Bhutto regime’s nationalisation policies that had seen a number of industries, banks and educational institutions suffer from incompetent management and rising corruption.

During his tenure he had also tried to mix populist socialist and secular notions of social democracy with certain aspects of Political Islam (that the party’s ideologues called ‘Islamic Socialism’).

Though the idea was to blunt the opposition coming from the right-wing religious groups, the careless fusion actually regenerated these groups that had otherwise been swept aside during the 1970 general elections.

For instance, as a catch-all slogan, the PNA, led by fundamentalist parties demanded that Pakistan be governed by a ‘Nizam-e-Mustafa’ (Shariah).

Even though this was explained with the help of modern writings of Islamic scholars such as Jamat-i-Islami chief, Abul Ala Maududi, Bhutto’s Islamic Socialism had unwittingly given credence to certain myths that began being advocated as historical facts.

The historical explanation of PNA’s Nizam-e-Mustafa was rooted in one such myth: That Pakistan had come into being through divine credence so that it could become the bastion of Islam in the world.

Secondly, when in 1973, Bhutto purged his own party, the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP), by expelling a number of its left-wing ideologues, he (like Anwar Sadat in Egypt), overestimated the threat posed to his government by the pro-Soviet far-left groups.

And again like Sadat, Bhutto thought that he could deflect opposition from the Islamists by giving them a free hand on university campuses that were until then hotbeds of left-wing thought and action.

By 1973 college and university campuses in Karachi and Lahore had witnessed a surge in the popularity and influence of the JI’s student wing the Islami Jamiat Taleba (IJT).

However, it was also true that in the event of the ineffectual and divided opposition against Bhutto in the parliament and the streets, his opponents, especially in the shape of the mohajirs (Urdu speakers) in Karachi and the right-wing anti-Bhutto bourgeoisie in the Punjab, largely expressed their opposition to Bhutto’s populist regime through the IJT in educational institutions.

During the campaigning of the 1977 election, the PNA accused Bhutto of being a drunk and a womaniser, and resolved that if the people voted PNA into power it would ‘rid the society of the evils of alcohol.’

During a rally in Lahore the same year, Bhutto responded by telling the crowds: ‘Haan mein sharab peeta hoon, laikan awam ka khoon nahi peeta!’ (Yes, I drink, but I do not drink the people’s blood).

He was lashing out at the PNA leaders who were being facilitated and funded by those industrialists whose businesses he had nationalised.



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During a rally in Lahore in 1977, Bhutto mocked his opponents by telling the crowd that, ‘Haan mein sharab peeta hoon .. laikan awam ka khoon nahi peeta!’ (Yes I drink, but I do not drink the people’s blood).


This was not the first time that the right-wing religious parties had blamed alcohol for the economic, political and social sufferings of the people.

The youth wing of the fundamentalist Majlis-e-Ahrar had attacked coffee houses serving alcoholic drinks in Lahore during the 1954 anti-Ahmadi riots.

Then, in the late 1960s, the student wing of the JI, (the IJT) began a movement against liquor stores and bars in Karachi when (in 1967) the progressive Islamic scholar, Dr. Fazalur Rahman Malik, claimed on TV that according to the hanafi mathab(jurisprudence) that the majority of Pakistan’s Sunni Muslims followed, only some alcoholic beverages were haraam (unlawful) in Islam. He then went on to suggest that there was nothing wrong in consuming beer.


In response to Rahman’s statement, JI asked him to be exiled and IJT activists attacked a number of liquor stores, hoardings and billboards advertising the Pakistani made Murree Beer in Karachi.

Nevertheless, the IJT campaign did not resonate with the public that was already embroiled in the largely left-wing student and labor movement against the Ayub Khan dictatorship, even though Rahman did leave the country and settled in the US as a Professor of Islamic Studies at the Chicago University.



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Famous leftist poet Habib Jalib (left) enjoys a drink with a few journalists and intellectuals at a restaurant in Karachi in 1975.


After the loss of East Pakistan (that broke away and became Bangladesh) in 1971 and the subsequent defeat of the Pakistan army at the hands of their Indian counterparts, JI accused the Pakistani Generals’ liking for ‘wine and women’ as one of the main causes of Pakistan’s defeat in the war.

In 1974, Prime Minister Bhutto banned alcohol in the army mess halls, although no such action was taken against bars, nightclubs, coffee houses and liquor stores in the cities.

Throughout the Bhutto regime, IJT tried to initiate various campaigns against liquor stores and nightclubs but it failed to find much public support – until the 1977 PNA movement.

After Bhutto’s PPP swept the National Assembly polls in the 1977 election, PNA claimed that the results were manipulated and that there were widespread cases of fraud undertaken by government agents during the polling.

After boycotting the Provincial Assembly elections, the PNA began a tense protest movement.



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Display window of a liquor store in 1976.
The movement demanded Bhutto’s resignation. The movement got its strongest support in Karachi where thousands of right-wing students, shopkeepers, businessmen and professionals agitated in the streets and clashed head-on with the police. The working classes largely stayed away.


A number of liquor stores and nightclubs were also attacked and looted. So when Bhutto got into a dialogue with the PNA, he agreed to close down all bars, liquor stores and nightclubs.

Just when it seemed that a breakthrough was on the horizon between the PPP regime and the PNA, General Ziaul Haq pulled off a military coup in July 1977.

Although he also arrested PNA members along with PPP ministers and Bhutto himself, Zia adopted the PNA’s Islamic overtones and then invited the JI to help him turn Pakistan into becoming a “true Islamic state.”

The bans imposed on alcohol by Bhutto remained, but Zia added a punishment of 80 lashes to anyone defying the ban.

The prohibition has held. However, ‘wine shops’ licensed by the government to cater to Pakistan’s non-Muslim communities are allowed to function but only if they sell local beer, whisky, gin, vodka and rum brands and only sell them to foreigners and the country’s Christian, Hindu, Zoroastrian and other non-Muslim consumers who have a permit issued to them by the government.

Nevertheless, almost 90 per cent of the consumers of the brewery’s products are Muslim.

Some religious parties have continued to try initiating campaigns against even the licensed ‘wine shops’ but these campaigns have failed to generate any public momentum or backing whatsoever.

Some observers suggest that such campaigns have been a failure due to the bigger problem of heroin addiction in the cities.

It is also interesting to note that the use of deadly drugs such as heroin increased (almost tenfold) in Pakistan after the ban on liquor went into effect.

For example until 1979 there were only two reported cases of heroin addiction in Pakistan (reported at the Jinnah Hospital in Karachi); but by 1985, Pakistan had the world’s second largest population of heroin addicts.

Also starling is the fact that there has been little or almost no action by the country’s mainstream religious parties on the issue of heroin usage and sale.



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Cases of heroin addiction increased dramatically after the prohibition on alcohol in Pakistan and its entry into the ‘anti-Soviet Afghan jihad.’ Interestingly, those religious parties that campaigned to ban alcohol in 1977 have taken little or no action on heroin addiction and sale.


I have been fortunate enough to travel across Europe and much of Asia in the last 10 years or so. One learns so much by engaging with and experiencing a variety of cultures and cuisine but, at least with me, there always comes a time (as a visitor in a foreign country), when I start craving good old Pakistani/Indian food.

In 2005, while traveling across Holland, Germany and France, the pangs and cravings for desi food struck me in the middle of a busy shopping district in Paris.

Luckily, I was able to spot a restaurant whose doorman was dressed in a traditionalPushtun dress. I don’t exactly remember the name of the place, but on inquiry, I was told it was owned by two middle-aged gentlemen – one an Indian (from Bangalore), and the other a Pakistani (from Lahore).

Thanks for info

Alcohol is not good for heath.

But banning it wont stop people from consuming it. This is especially true in subcontinent

Spreading awareness about its adverse effect and not allowing minors to consume alcohol are the onlylogical steps that can be taken.
 
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WHO will execute the law? When the executioner is himself drunk. It is better then to let it be till you truly have a state with the capacity to enforce its peoples wishes. However, when sections of the populations readily buy and consume alcohol despite all the piousness at the surface; then clearly there is political rather than actual true popular religious motivation for the banning of alcohol.


Just because the government is incompetent in executing laws, does not mean it should stop trying. Keep trying till we get better at it. If there is a problem in the machinery, then fix the machinery.


By that logic, our government fails to kill mass murdering suicide bomber who gets caught red hand. So I guess we should stop trying to prevent that too.

If our government is incompetent in executing a law efficiently does not mean, it should just stop trying. This does not make sense.

Government tries to stop armed robbers, despite all their effort, armed robberies still acquire. We should stop trying then, and let armed robbers do what ever they want. Does this logic make sense? No, it does not.
 
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So people who do all that crime, don't drink at all? And people who drink don't do such crime?

I doubt that, if anything, criminals are in a habit of drinking alcohol. It's not like rapist never touched alcohol in their lives, in fact, chances of rapists raping increase when they are intoxicated with alcohol.

Criminals start of doing deviant activities, such as drink alcohol or doing charas, and then gradually graduate to doing more serve crimes, like murder, armed robberies, rape.

If such filth is caught in the early stage of their development, we can can prevent bigger crimes. Drunkard filth, need to be punished, either beaten up or thrown in jail, till they stop such activity.

No sane parent would want their child to be near a drunkard, and these drunkard alcoholics end up having babies. What sort of upbringing would that child have? Especially when alcoholic parent tries to rape their own child.

These drunkards should not have babies, we already are over populated, we don't want substandard drunkard reproducing in our society, and contribute dysfunctional, potentially criminal offsprings.


Personally I would want drunkard alcoholics to be castrated, but beating them up or jailing would do fine too.




This means we need more efficient execution of this law to prevent such activity. Our government can't even stop two bit drunkard, how can our government handle terrorists then?

dont be sentimentally foolish.

had your views been correct, our society would have been most functional and western most dysfunctional, its other way around, despite 00.04 consumption of alcohol, lowest in the world probably.
 
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Thanks for info

Alcohol is not good for heath.

But banning it wont stop people from consuming it. This is especially true in subcontinent

Spreading awareness about its adverse effect and not allowing minors to consume alcohol are the onlylogical steps that can be taken.


By that logic you should also let rapists rape then. Which your government seems to be doing.

dont be sentimentally foolish.

had your views been correct, our society would have been most functional and western most dysfunctional, its other way around, despite 00.04 consumption of alcohol, lowest in the world probably.


Are you advocating legalizing alcohol then?
 
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Thanks for info

Alcohol is not good for heath.

But banning it wont stop people from consuming it. This is especially true in subcontinent

Spreading awareness about its adverse effect and not allowing minors to consume alcohol are the onlylogical steps that can be taken.

banning does effect, assume for an example if rape was not a crime in India.

By that logic you should also let rapists rape then. Which your government seems to be doing.




Are you advocating legalizing alcohol then?

Nope. not even remotely I said or proposed anything like it.
 
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ye kya porhobition porhobition laga rakha hai jab se ye duniya bani hai roti kapra aur sar chupane ki jagah ke baad saree duniya ka nizamchalane ke liye hukum raan apne wafadaaro ko khush rakhne ke liye sharab aur shabab ka sahara lete aayen ahi aur age bhi aisa hi chalega :D
 
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banning does effect, assume for an example if rape was not a crime in India.



Nope. not even remotely I said or proposed anything like it.

In subcontinent if govt tries to ban something people buy it even more.

Its about mentality. However the decision to not sell alcohol to minors is very good.
 
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We need a malt march in pakistan.
All alcohol drinkers, unite, and lets fight for our rights led by @Imran Khan :feminist:

You are not a Pakistani. Our internal matter is non of your business actually, but I can understand your obsession with Pakistan.

Alcohol is haram, its not gonna get legal in Pakistan InshaAllah.

Ameen to that.
 
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Alcohol is not actually banned in Bangladesh....you need a license to sell it....production for personal consumption is legal....Although two 'malt drink's(yeah they forgot to call it beer) were banned and reported in international media as a ban on alcohol....the energy drinks were banned because a)they did not mention it anywhere in the package b)they did not have a license to produce alcohol.....but anyone can buy alcohol from a licensed seller.
 
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