Air Commodore (R) Kaiser Tufail explains the Su-35S offer.

[ACE OF THE AIR]

The reason why SU35S is being considered by PAF and PN.


Below are the similarities between Su-30MKI and Su-35S:
12 Hard Points
8000kgs external ordinance
G-limit 9
Same Air-Air and Air-Ground weapons package
Has Thrust Vectoring
Can house external jammers and all varieties of pods.
Has inflight re-fueling
etc.. etc..


Differences:
Su-30MKI-
Maximum internal fuel - 9,640kgs
Max Range(without mid-air refueling) - 3000kms
Max ceiling - 17.3km
Max Speed - Mach 1.9
Canards - Yes
Crew - 2
Max Afterburner Thrust - 12500kgf, Emergency Thrust - 12800kgf
External Fuel Tanks - No
Composites - Not in significant quantity.
Empty Weight - unknown. Estimated to be around 18400kgs.
Airframe life - 3,000hrs or 15 years(at 200 hours flight time each year)
Internal Jammer - No
RCS - unofficial estimate 11.5m2
Airbrake - Yes
Supercruise- No


Su-35S-
Maximum internal fuel - 11,500kgs
Max Range(without mid-air refueling, without external fuel tanks) - 3600kms
Max ceiling - 18km
Max Speed - Mach 2.25
Canards - No (since radar isn't heavy)
Crew - 1
Max Afterburner Thrust - 14500kgf(gives a massive boost to TWR compared to Su-30MKI)
External Fuel Tanks - Yes (can carry 2 drop tanks of 1400kgs fuel in each of them)
Composites - Yes. Extensive use of Titanium Alloys.
Empty Weight - Unknown. Estimated to be around 18800kgs.
Airframe life - 6,000hrs or 30 years(at 200 hours flight time each year)
Internal Jammer - Yes
RCS - unofficial estimate between 1-3m2
Airbrake - No. Powerful modified rudders act as Airbrakes.
Supercruise - Yes

Radar-
This deserves a separate mention. Because this is where the difference is at its max.
Su-30MKI has a N-011M BARS Radar
Transmitter peak power - 5kw
Transmitter average power - 1.2kw
Can Track- 15 Targets
Can Simultaneously Engage - 4 Targets
Max Detection for 5 sqm RCS - 140 km(Upgraded Radar with upgraded transmitter power, if any in service, its range is unknown.)

Su-35S has N-035 IRBIS-E. The most powerful Fighter Plane mounted X Band radar in the world. Specs are as follows.
Transmitter peak power - 20kw
Transmitter average power - 5kw
Can Track - 30 Targets
Can Simultaneously Engage - 8 Targets
Max Detection for 5 sqm RCS - 426 km
Max Detection for 3 sqm RCS - 375 km
Max Detection for 1 sqm RCS - 285 km
Max Detection for 0.01 sqm RCS - 90 km

 

[CHI RULES]

2 Squadrons.

2sq of SU35 along with 2 Sqs of JF-17 block-II in support role.

 

[Windjammer]

As they say, where there's smoke, there's fire.
The economic corridor is a major scenario changing project and all involved in it would be keen on it's security.
That's where Pakistan or more precisely the PAF comes in.

 

[Kompromat]

• IRBIS radar should be replaced by the AESA developed for J-20 by 611 institute. It reportedly has >2000 TRMs & its going to introduce a whole new capability to the Su-35.
  
  
• It should be datalinked with our other jets through tactical datalink.
  
  
• SD-10B and other advanced Chinese BVRAAMs should be a priority.
  
  
• Should integrate YJ-12 AShM & CM-400AKG.
  
  
• For ground roles, integrate RAAD and other Pakistani armament.

Even if we get SU35 we should arm it with Chinese Missiles instead of Russian one. No matter what will be capabilities of Russian Missiles they may not prove to be effective enough ag Indian's as they know every bit of Russian Ammo.

 

[CHI RULES]

2 Squadrons.

2sq of SU35 along with 2 Sqs of JF-17 block-II in support role.

Air Commodore (R) Kaiser Tufail explains the Su-35S offer to defensenews.com

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"There is a possible need for something in this class on two accounts: diversification and to support naval operations. The Su-35 "being a twin-engined aircraft with vast range (and endurance), it would help us to have a significant and potent presence in the Arabian Sea, something that the puny, aging Mirage squadron is ill-suited for (as is the JF-17 from the range point of view)," he said. "Given the changing geo-politics and the Chinese investment whose trade terminus is Gwadar, there is definitely going to be a need for a long-range fighter. So essentially, I see it as a guarantor of maritime security as far as the airspace is concerned.

"All of this may sound like a sudden switch from continental strategy to a maritime one, but it is high time that we paid serious attention to this aspect in the fast changing geopolitical scenario. Pakistan's air power over the Arabian Sea already received a boost this month when No. 2 'Minhas' Squadron based in Karachi was re-equipped September 6 with the JF-17 Block II after surrendering its Chengdu F-7P fighters.

The re-equipment of [No. 2 'Minhas' Squadron] was due as they had the oldest lot of F-7s. The JF-17 was the obvious replacement. The Mirage-5PA2/3 is still a capable aircraft, though long in the tooth by now. Most likely, the replacement of these Mirages would have a maritime role, so it could be a couple of years before we see a newer capability. He said Whether that replacement is the Su-35, however, remains to be seen."

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Pls explain how Mirrage 5PA2/3 is capable if can't defend itself ag Migs. It's air defese capabilities are pathetic and syatems are of vintage type. Even F7pg may prove to be capable in Arial warfare than that.

• IBRIS radar should be replaced by the AESA developed for J-20 by 611 institute. It reportedly has >2000 TRMs & its going to introduce a whole new capability to the Su-35.
  
  
• It should be datalinked with our other jets through tactical datalink.
  
  
• SD-10B and other advanced Chinese BVRAAMs should be a priority.
  
  
• Should integrate YJ-12 AShM & CM-400AKG.
  
  
• For ground roles, integrate RAAD and other Pakistani armament.

Nice reply Sir, further to add RAAD may be used to attack naval assets also (as mentioned at many sites).

 

[Tipu7]

Even if we get SU35 we should arm it with Chinese Missiles instead of Russian one. No matter what will be capabilities of Russian Missiles they may not prove to be effective enough ag Indian's as they know every bit of Russian Ammo.

Will Russians allow that......?
Don't you think Su35 is needed more in PAF than Navy? For naval strike we can get J11D,J16 when ever we want.......

 

[Kompromat]

Its capable under current power dynamics but not when Indians have CBGs.

2sq of SU35 along with 2 Sqs of JF-17 block-II in support role.


Pls explain how Mirrage 5PA2/3 is capable if can't defend itself ag Migs. It's air defese capabilities are pathetic and syatems are of vintage type. Even F7pg may prove to be capable in Arial warfare than that.



Nice reply Sir, further to add RAAD may be used to attack naval assets also (as mentioned at many sites).

 

[CHI RULES]

Pak scientists/eng are capable enough to increase ranges of missiles and their development. We may start joint project with China to produce missile like DF21. If fired in Salvo may counter Indian Air defense and destroy their ACs.

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

I think there is some serious consideration on the behalf of PAF for Su-35s for following reasons.

• Mirage-5PA2/3 will have to be retired.
  
  
• A platform with extended range is needed to replace them because of newly placed focus on maritime defense and power projection.
  
  
• India is building carriers with Mig-29K, something our existing Mirages etc can not take care of.
  
• Su-35S will be an ideal platform to not only defend Karachi, Port Qasim and Gwadar but also be able to effectively support our naval formations and take care of the Indian CBG problem.
  
  
• Su-35 offers PAF unprecedented range to effectively conduct operations not only deep inside India but also deep inside the Indian Ocean Region (IOR).
  
  
• It will solidify Pakistan Navy's sea denial capabilities when integrated with existing assets and force multipliers.
  
  
• It will allow us to quickly respond to any emergency situation in GCC.
  
  
• F-16s, JF-17s even FC-31 cannot offer us such a capability due to different performance parameters and operational doctrines.
  
  Su-35 assessment by USAF and USN Pilots. Killer in the Sky: Russia's Deadly Su-35 Fighter | The National Interest

Bhai apko Su-35 day kon raha hai ?
Russians will never sell such a mature platform to Pakistan.
It is only a blackmailing tactic towards India.
Furthermore even if Russians have decided to get cozy with us,they will do it gradually.There are a thousand more things Russia can do to warm our relationship before directly selling us Su-35s which is detrimental to India,an old ally of Russia.
Lastly, Ind has enough soft power to not let this happen.
We should remain focused on improving the available resources.

 

[Indos]

Good option for Su 35, Russia will offer a big loan to buy Russia defense product as well to Pakistani if you can negotiate well. Just for info, Indonesia got 3 billion USD loan from Russia during our Su-35 deal.

With its anti ship capability it will be a very economical choice as well. Need to buy some Su 30 maybe along this Su 35 due to training reason since Su 35 is a one seat fighter.

 

[CHI RULES]

Will Russians allow that......?
Don't you think Su35 is needed more in PAF than Navy? For naval strike we can get J11D,J16 when ever we want.......

I think instead of making separate PN air Arm some dedicated squadrons of PAF should be used to defend our Sea line. Further due to pathetic condition of Mirrages we should first arm our Naval dedicated squadron immediately with Su35 or J16/J11b whichever option is available immediately as war time can't b chosen by free will. Further PAF is in much better and competitive shape.

 

[Donatello]

Its capable under current power dynamics but not when Indians have CBGs.

It doesn't matter....something as big as a 'CBG' will be seen and attacked from 200-300km....well beyond their Air defense capability. Any Mig29s can be engaged by accompanying f-16s/JF-17s...not to mention SU35 itself can carry 6 BVRs and engage all six in a gitgo.
Simply put, Indians won't be having enough CBGs to risk in a proper war against land based SU35s......

Good option for Su 35, Russia will offer a big loan to buy Russia defense product as well to Pakistani if you can negotiate well. Just for info, Indonesia got 3 billion USD loan from Russia during our Su-35 deal.

With its anti ship capability it will be a very economical choice as well. Need to buy some Su 30 maybe along this Su 35 due to training reason since Su 35 is a one seat fighter.

How many SU35s is indonesia buying in those 3 Billion USD?

 

[Panther 57]

check this small video. Very agile aircraft. i have seen an HD version with close ups. It is worthwhile to check its asymmetric flight control movement and exhaust nozzle changes during maneuvering.

 

[Eagle Claw]

Bhai apko Su-35 day kon raha hai ?
Russians will never sell such a mature platform to Pakistan.
It is only a blackmailing tactic towards India.
Furthermore even if Russians have decided to get cozy with us,they will do it gradually.There are a thousand more things Russia can do to warm our relationship before directly selling us Su-35s which is detrimental to India,an old ally of Russia.
Lastly, Ind has enough soft power to not let this happen.
We should remain focused on improving the available resources.

Bahi Russia nay Aap say Pooch k Su-35 dena ha Ya Jab Aapka Dil karay tab Russia nay Dena ha ?
It depends upon PAF and PN to Acquire what ever they want or need. Problem is that every one here consider himself a Defense Expert.
If a Senior member is making a Point, than their must be some thing. Try to give due respect and value to Senior member's opinion. They are may be far more experienced than you and me.
Thanks . . .

 

[Econofpak]

Su-35 could be a distraction. We can get similar planes anytime from China. Today cost (operational & fleet replacement) matters the most. We should concentrate on producing JF-17 in such numbers, which would confuse our enemies, +1,000. With Su-35 we could be lost in platforms.

Today PAF is doing great, MA. Su-35 could slow us down. We shouldn't forget that China = 2 (US & EU), which is on tech frontier. Why are then we going for distraction and exposing ourselves to risk with Russia too much? It might have corrupting influence - kickbacks, which comes with expensive projects. Today cost is everything and we are lucky in terms of JF-17. That's why people are really scared.

Isn't Su-35 a glorified Su-27? Our current connections with Russia are important but not to upset, confuse, and distract our own strategy. (First post on defence.pk)